bigsinky

try tramadol hydrochloride. great stuff but a complete bastid to get off.

bigsinky

and what's with the body jumps while you are in bed? i used to lie in bed relaxed and then from out of no where my body would just spasm like someone has surprised you out of a sleep. very very addictive. could i ask john as a GP where is the duty of care to ensure patients are prescribed the right tablets. i was given tramadol for a broken leg 9 years ago and up to january 07 i was still getting repeat scripts for 120 x 50mg tramadol every 4 weeks? i choose to come off them cold turkey and it was the worst week of my life

boxst

That just makes me sick. I have quite a few Zydol SR 150s lying around as everytime I took one I just wanted to vomit for the next day or so.

Steve

sarasquares

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I was too scared to get out of bed, it was like sea sickness of the worst kind.

bigsinky

you get used to it. got to the stage where i needed 150mg in the morning just to function.

jameswrx

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I'm having 2 codine pain killers and 2 zydol at a time at the moment, I was actually sick the 3rd day I started doubling up but keeping better now.

Trouble is the pain is worse than sickness and constipation unfotunately.

I used to have tylex and never noticed any constipation, now my codine ones are just called co codimol and solid pills rather than the capsules (of tylex) but they bind me up bad. Used to quite enjoy just tylex, nice warm feeling and slack jawed lol. Now on co codimol and zydol I just itch, feel sick, go White and look wasted all day.. Morphine next, but I guess I'll feel really sick on that.

alcazar

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Been there, done that, FAR too strong, and with weird side effects: hallucinations, awful dreams, etc.

alcazar

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Already found it, like thousands of others, it's called Co-proxamol..But a few scientists have decided it doesn't work, so Lying Labour and the nanny state have taken it away

sarasquares

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Firstly i have read that Co-proxomol is a mix of paracetamol and Dextropropoxyphene.
Co-proxamol (unlicensed medicine).

How possible is it to take paracetamol and Dextropropoxyphene together to replicate Co-proxomol.

here you can buy Dextropropoxyphene, just one example...
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There are various sites that sell this drug

If you knew how much of each to take is it feasible to take both drugs together?

I dont know of the dangers, if any of doing this but surely its worth looking into, even asking your GP.

alcazar

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Interesting Sarah, but the prices are incredible: 210 tablets would cost me £250 I don't have THAT sort of money.

Dextroprpoxyphene doesn't seem to be available on it's own to put with paracetamol, but as an ingredient with something called acetaminophen, which I've never heard of.

The co-proxamol I take are 350mg paracetamol, 35 mg of dp
Darvon, which seems the nearest is 400 acetaminophen 100dp.

And even splitting doses etc, £250 for two month's meds is far too steep.

Lee247

Poor you, sounds like you are having a real bad time of it

This Government is only happy when it is treating us all like a bunch of kids and poking their snouts into everything we do.
They think we aren't capable of thinking for ourselves and dictate more and more. I wish Guy Fawkes was alive and well and preparing to make a visit

sarasquares

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I didnt check the prices i though i would leave that to you.

have you tried looking up the same stuff on other sites?

It could even be worth asking your doctor if there is any way of prescribing you the Dextroprpoxyphene in a formulation that is usable. If it was me i would drive my doctor mad exhausting every avenue. The drugs are out there and with a little work you should be able to come up with something you can use.


I just found this snippet of information...hope it helps


***co-proxamol hasn't been banned as such. It's license has been withdrawn. That means it can still be prescribed by a UK doctor as an unlicensed special providing you were already being prescribed it by your GP.
The main reason why your GP isn't prescribing it for you now is probably twofold:

For the vast majority of folk co-proxamol is no more effective than co-dydramol or co-codamol, and carries much higher side effect / overdose risks.
This is not to say that you don't find co-prox the most effective for you - different painkillers affect people differently.

The other reason is cost. Co-proxamol is now over £20 for 100 tablets. A 100% increase that most doctors don't like having to pay - especially when coupled with clinical data about it being no better than the other stuff.***


I am unsure if anything has changed since this was written.

I would have a sit down and a long chat with your GP to see if they can prescribe it for you again, or possibly even prescribe it to you privately.

alcazar

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Thanks for that Sarah.

I'm expecting a call from my doctor tomorrow, (he's worried that this has depressed me, apparently), but after this latest mess, I'm REALLY expecting the practice to tell me to go elsewhere.

john banks

I was prescribing it in these situations (the price didn't have an effect), but have absolutely stopped in all cases since my medical defence union said I was uninsured. In other words, a single negligence claim as a result (which would probably find against me) could wipe out all my life savings. I'm not prepared to personally take that risk, neither are most.

The drug is very dangerous in overdose. Deaths have dropped due to its withdrawal, but I think it should be available at the clinician's judgement. Research has shown that in populations it is also not beneficial, but that doesn't include individuals who insist it is effective for them.

alcazar

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Any suggestions John? On how/if to try and influence my GP/practice?
What else to try?
If I can get dextroprpoxyphene seperately? Would a pain clinic prescribe it?

PM me if you don't want to say anything on here.
Thanks.

PS: I've seen the research that says that suicides are down due to this, and are not up due to other drugs, BUT, they don't say that suicides are down in all cases, so people are just finding other methods

Meanwhile, we the users for whom this stuff WORKS, pay for their know-all attitude

sarasquares

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I dont know if this is acceptable with GP's but what about offering to sign a disclaimer saying that you would take full responsibility for anything adverse that you may suffer as a result of being prescribed something that he is not fully happy to prescribe to you.......

Try to keep positive, i know it is difficult but you now have a couple of options available to you to try. I would be interested on the outcome, and good luck

_Meridian_

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Acetaminophen is another name for paracetamol. I assume that what you are finding is a foreign version of co-proxamol with different proportions to the UK version.

Edit: I was wrong; dextropropoxyphene's schedule 5 exemption does cover importation for personal use, as long as the dosage does not exceed 135mg/unit.


M

john banks

Honest answer is you are stuck without coprox as far as I can tell.

alcazar

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Well that really sucks

A nanny state government that always "knows best", plus tries to save money with no thought to the people involved, and doctors put in a position where they have to put themselves first.........which, of course, they will do.

What a BLOODY world we live in, in the UK under Labour

dunx

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How about France ?

Do they supply it ?

dunx

alcazar

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I MAY be able to get 10 at a time, at a cost of around £12 to me, not refundable since they are now not a licensed drug in the UK.

But apparently the EC are going the same way as us, withdrawal after they have obviously seen the money savings WE have managed

One website I went on talked about how many fewer suicides there were due to overdoses with this drug, and that they have not been replaced by suicides from another drug.

But a bit of research turns up the info that the TOTAL level of suicides hasn't fallen

So........a waste of time then. At users' expense.:mad;

alcazar

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Well, my doctor phoned, they aren't happy, but haven't dumped me......yet.

I've suggested a letter absolving them and the practice, and even the local health trust, from resposibility, but he wants me to continue on 150mg of Pregabalin, (Lyrica) for the next few weeks, apparently the side effects may settle down

They better...........I need work, so need to be able to be in control.

Leslie

There are many drugs which are dangerous when an overdose is taken. Will we see more and more forbidden drugs then? Is the average person now considered to be totally unintelligent now by our valiant leaders. How long before they say we are unable to be trusted to vote so they will do it for us?

Les

john banks

Never mind the average person being considered totally unintelligent, they think they know better than trained professionals.

I'm not seeing many more hints of drugs being forbidden, in fact some are making a comeback such as thalidomide used for myeloma patients.

Leslie

I believe what you say John!

Maybe it will all go away one day.

Les

alcazar

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Maybe my pain will. 24/7 is pretty wearing, I've not been pain-free now for ten months.

I have to say that 20+ years of this doesn't sound very appealing