David Lock

Because it was very relevant to the programme. It wasn't British citizens hurling the abuse, meaning all colours, it was white kids.

I stand by what I said!!

dl

kingofturds

iTrader: (1)

What is a citzens your statement makes no sense.

David Lock

Well it makes sense to me.

British citizens are all shapes, sizes and colours.

White kids are usually er white..........

dl

EddScott

The kids I mention are white but welsh so who knows if thats racist or not

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Funnily enough, I still live on the same council estate that I have lived on since birth. Although there are worse, it has/had it's problems.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

I feel like i live in a different world compared to some of the replies on this thread.


I dont think there is anywhere else in this country i would ever move to apart from the Outer Hebrides.

davyboy

On further reflection I guess they knew who would cause problems on the estate and targeted them.

I mean how long did they live there for.....and they only got 30 mins of footage.

I think a few bad apples amongst lots of law abiding people.

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Probably. But regardless of how many 'bad apples' there are (and I'd imagine it's not just a few), these types need to be dealt with.

Not just in terms of being racist, but any sort of anti social, offensive and violent behaviour. The problem isn't just restricted to race, it's the mentality of quite some amount of people out there full stop. It's a growing issue.

davyboy

I'm not defending it, just saying it's not as big a deal as I thought after last night.

Yes, anti social behaviour needs sorting....but ASBOs is certainly not working.

I say build a fence around the estate, and let them carry on.

Deep Singh

Of course they spent time researching the place, no point filming Lakshmi Mittal living in his £50million Knightsbridge mansion is it?

And I take it you've spent some time living in India to come to the conclusion that they tend to decapitate white people with rusty saws???

superstar1

Don't think the Indians and Pakistani people get on all that well, wouldn't like to go there to find out about any rusty saw business anyway.
Seems to me it's a very poor and underprivilaged society where the caste system is still common with a government who would rather send men into space than feed the poor.
So no thanks, i'll not bother going there, after all, that's why many of them are coming here.

Tam the bam

Personally no, but my previous next door neeb spent 10 weeks there setting up an HSBC call centre, she suffered SO much racial abuse she ended up spending 8 of the 10 weeks in her Hotel room when she wasn't working as she was too scared to venture out in to the streets, she fortunately still had her head when returned though! It's not just Honkeys who can be violent/abusive to other races is the point I was making!

Deep Singh

Yes, it is a poor country, its a third world country, everybody knows that. What's your point?

As for sending men into space rather than feeding the poor, that's an interesting philosophical question. Much like the UK spending billions on a war whilst it's pensioners live on a pittance, people live in rat infested council estates, patients die every year in its hospitals from mrsa etc etc.

Btw, what has any of that got to do with scumbags abusing people on a Bristol estate???

superstar1

You asked someone if they had ever been to India/Pakistan, and i stated that personally, i wouldn't want to visit those countries for the same reason that even some of the people who live and were born there are trying to leave and take their chances living on our council estates.
I agree, billions spent on Afganistan/Iraq is a waste, but is it reasonable to allow people from third world countries to settle in the UK and put pressure on the health, welfare and infastructure of this small island when they have not or will not make a contribution to it?
Particularly when an extreme element refuse to intergrate, are intolerant to other ethnic, religious or minority groups.
Someone stated the British people are some of the most tolerant, if people want to live in the UK and take our social, health and welfare benefits that have been fought for and earned by our ancestors they must respect our culture and way of life.
It may surprise these people that the UK has not always had a democracy, not long ago women couldn't vote and the working class were suffering just as those living in third world countries are now.
Going back a couple of centuries, socially and economically we have the trade unions and even the toddpuddle martyres and other groups to thank for fighting for the life we enjoy today.
It's time persons in third world countries, some of which have civilizations older than ours stood up and fight for the same.

Deep Singh

1) I never asked 'someone', I asked Tam the bam. I didn't ask you whether you had been. The fact that you wouldn't travel to India, probably means you wouldn't go to Africa, South America, parts of the far east, etc etc. To me that would be a very sad existence, not visiting two thirds of this wonderful planet, and not allowing my children to do the same. Horses for courses though I suppose.

2) I think your agenda comes across very clearly. This topic has got nothing to do with 'intergation'. That has been discussed recently on another thread, and I'm sure will continue (and appropriately so) to be discussed in the relevant topic.

So it seems like whenever anything involving ethnic minorities is discussed you trot out the same rhetoric, which is boring, irrelevant and I don't know why I waste my time responding to it.

superstar1

Is it not you that's being boring by coming up with the same blinkered reasons to excuse the political failings regarding immigration in this country weather it's to criticise so called rhetoric or the blatantly obvious.
But you respond because you can't resist and want to appease the types that come here to use our free speech and democracy to denounce our culture, morals, principles etc, etc.

Glowplug

iTrader: (8)

100% agree with you Superstar1.

If the immigrants had more back-bone to stand up and fight for their homeland and our government was not so soft, the world, in my opinion could be a much better place.

The attitude of people these days seems to be to bail rather than stand their ground, like Brits legging it to Spain ect.



Deep Singh, you are posting on a public forum, you can't be going off at people for putting their views forward.

I personally would not travel to india either, from what i've seen it's a under developed rat trap that i would take no pleasure in visiting. How long have you spent there??

I don't see Superstars agenda clearly at all, as far as i can see he is mearly commenting on this thread as are others.

And as for 'this thread having nothing to do with intergation' PMSL!!!!!!!!! That is exactly what it about, doh.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

Ethnic minorities? Why is this term still used? I think it incorrect and is no longer valid.

If anything white British people in this country are going to become the minority.

At the end of the day we all have the same rights and should stand up for them

davyboy

Do you REALLY believe that statement?

SetoN

Depending on what part of the country you are from it is true.

My sister is training to be a teacher and at her school placement in Birmingham there is one white child in the whole class. I am quite sure that one white child would be classed as the minority there.

SetoN

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

My point exactly and i am sure statistics would prove this.

Leslie

I hardly think you can make a remark like that one above bearing in mind what you said about colour on post #30 below.

Your second points are perfectly good, but if the parents are so feckless that they can't even be bothered to attempt to bring their children up in even a normal manner to understand the difference between right and wrong,What on earth do you think should be done about it?

Les

davyboy

It's 11% for the UK as a whole.

Of course you could argue about where you are. But there are also plenty of places without any ethnic minorities.

fivetide

iTrader: (1)

I actually think the programme last night with celebs 'slumming it' for a week was more representational (although they still put Mel B with a black family etc so is the BBC racist for that?) because it showed how the 'underclass' really live.

Interesting to have people doing exactly what i was saying happens. Single mum, no job, been on benefits since forever six kids moaning the council doesn't give them anything to do and its all their fault.... really? so perhaps keeping your legs shut and contributing something that might help pay for youth centres etc isn't anything to do with you? hmmm. All complained of no money and all smoked too.

As for the the racist element, this is being debated on another forum i visit and i think this post is a good summary of the issues with the ethnic minorities in the country at the moment and why integration is failing. We should be British and nothing more.

5t.

Have you actually met / known anyone who has converted to Islam and behaved in the way you are describing ? Have you ever met a Muslim who has for instance been unhappy at the mention of Christmas ? Have you ever offered a Muslim food or drink (whether or not it was in Ramadan) ?"

yes big time:

I lived in Dubai for a year

I experienced all of the above and a lot worse

I had a meeting with a high ranking well educated government official who laughed that dithering colleagues who could not reach a decision "were like a Jew"

I have had a number supposedly devout Muslims tell me how they hated Jews and wanted to see them wiped from the face of the earth.

Any design work that contained any graphic that could even be remotely perceived as a cross, plus sign or even an 'x' "was offensive to Muslims"

A colleague went bonkers when an email was sent round inviting people for a ‘drink after work’

The mere sight of a non Muslim drinking water in their own car during Ramadan was an arrestable offence – and people ARE arrested for this every year.

The official media reported 18 RTA deaths due to dehydrated irritable drivers racing home for Iftar that year alone - Christ knows what the real figures were

All those Indian construction workers/slaves – 12 hours toiling in the height of summer during Ramadan - no water allowed.

Screens are put up for non Muslims to hide behind to eat their lunch.

The levels of hypocrisy were incredible - I worked with many Muslims who drank and used prostitutes and ate pork then reckoned observing Ramadan absolved them of this

I had a number of clients who basically went nocturnal in order to avoid Ramadan or went abroad but still expected you to work all day then meet them at night to smoke shisha.

and lets look at shisha - zero tolerance to drugs? i used to smoke a lot of weed and i can tell you for a fact - that stuff gets you completely bongoed

Supposedly very devout Muslims who were very rich from profits from bars and booze shops – also many who became rich from profits from interest charges on loans and mortgages – not supposed to happen under Islam

One of the most surreal experiences was being in a bar stuffed full of African and Russian prostitutes – hard to avoid in Dubai. The police wandering around to check no one was smoking and that no music was being played – yip that’s right an eerily quiet nightclub. So no smoking or music but prostitution and drinking was fine.

I would not have believed such open shameless racism sexism and sheer hypocrisy existed had I not experienced it first hand. Their culture their country you say? From what i saw all of their ideals were up for grabs when it suited them but god/allah help you if you contravened them.

sarasquares

iTrader: (1)

I would have thought the figure is higher than that but i do not have the facts in front of me so i cannot argue that point. Plus the figure is getting higher all the time.

Either way, 'ethnic minority' does not always apply to non white people living in this country, so i believe that the term should not be used just for non white citizens. This is my own opinion and one that i believe should be considered these days.

ScoobyWon't

You may know of the Ladybrook Estate in Mansfield, Les. I was at a house yesterday to speak to a 9 year old who had caused injuries amounting to ABH to an 8 year old.

I went round and saw the injured party, and also seized a lock knife that the accused had been carrying around. The mother of the accused would not accept that her child was responsible for causing these injuries or that there were several witnesses to him being in posession of the lock knife.

The mother then tried to blame all of this on her son having ADHD and was then trying to move the blame on to her son's school.

In the end I lost my temper with her and told her I was concerned that she is neglecting the safety of these children and left before she could respond.

What she doesn't realise is I've also reported her and the kid to Social Services, I've put warning markers on the son for carrying bladed weapons, which means he'll be strip-searched everytime he's taken in to police custody once he's old enough to be dealt with and requested an increase in patrols in that area from the beat team, which means that they will be hassled until his behaviour improves, and if it doesn't they could ultimately be evicted.

But the mother doesn't care.

I felt as if I was banging my head against a brick wall. But, as you ask, what can be done?

davyboy

Most people do.

Figure include other whites too. Eastern Europeans etc.

dpb

I rarely watch this sort of 'investigative journalism' anymore , espesh. the BBC

Its a shame parents are no longer allowed to birch their offspring

ScoobyWon't

A bit of Daily Mail for you...

Hammer attack victim seeks £1m damages after politically correct school 'closed its eyes to racial tensions' Henry Webster Asian Invasion Swindon Ridgeway Foundation | Mail Online

dpb

What on earth are you talking about ?

i could be wrong , i thought we'd had a democracy of sorts since the middle of the thirteenth century btw