Why are we paying child benefit in Poland?
02 November 2009, 01:31 PM
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Oh and charity doesn't 'start at home' it starts with the charitable!
02 November 2009, 02:45 PM
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Go see http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/pub...cap%5B1%5D.pdf for how much just India costs us ... "... Since 2001 the programme has exceeded £200 million a year, spent mainly in relationships with the national government and the four focus states of Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh ..."
And we don't even dig wells for them anymore. We "... [support] a network of CSOs working on areas aimed at increasing the capacity of poor people to demand and use political, economic, and social and human rights instruments and services to improve their lives. The programme envisaged to achieve this by:
- Strengthening self-governance, women’s empowerment, policy advocacy, social cohesion and self help to meet basic needs.
- Effective partnership of civil society
- Lessons learnt and disseminated. ..."
I mean, WTF???????? India's problems - let India sort it!
For more examples see The Sunday Essay | The Spectator
As for the OP, just goes to show how broken our benefits system is. I reckon, no tax/NI for 4 years then no benefits. Of any kind.
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02 November 2009, 03:16 PM
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Agreed. Why the heck should we send aid to India, for example, when they can run their own space and nuclear weapons programs?
Go see http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/pub...cap%5B1%5D.pdf for how much just India costs us ... "... Since 2001 the programme has exceeded £200 million a year, spent mainly in relationships with the national government and the four focus states of Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh ..."
And we don't even dig wells for them anymore. We "... [support] a network of CSOs working on areas aimed at increasing the capacity of poor people to demand and use political, economic, and social and human rights instruments and services to improve their lives. The programme envisaged to achieve this by:
I mean, WTF???????? India's problems - let India sort it!
For more examples see The Sunday Essay | The Spectator
As for the OP, just goes to show how broken our benefits system is. I reckon, no tax/NI for 4 years then no benefits. Of any kind.
Dave
Go see http://www.dfid.gov.uk/Documents/pub...cap%5B1%5D.pdf for how much just India costs us ... "... Since 2001 the programme has exceeded £200 million a year, spent mainly in relationships with the national government and the four focus states of Andhra Pradesh, West Bengal, Orissa and Madhya Pradesh ..."
And we don't even dig wells for them anymore. We "... [support] a network of CSOs working on areas aimed at increasing the capacity of poor people to demand and use political, economic, and social and human rights instruments and services to improve their lives. The programme envisaged to achieve this by:
- Strengthening self-governance, women’s empowerment, policy advocacy, social cohesion and self help to meet basic needs.
- Effective partnership of civil society
- Lessons learnt and disseminated. ..."
I mean, WTF???????? India's problems - let India sort it!
For more examples see The Sunday Essay | The Spectator
As for the OP, just goes to show how broken our benefits system is. I reckon, no tax/NI for 4 years then no benefits. Of any kind.
Dave
But I think it's probably just another 'red-herring' given the actual % of our overseas aid that goes to India (which I believe to be IRO 5%, correct me if I'm wrong)
02 November 2009, 03:45 PM
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Well you and I could agrue all day about whether it's right to give aid to the impoverished of India.
But I think it's probably just another 'red-herring' given the actual % of our overseas aid that goes to India (which I believe to be IRO 5%, correct me if I'm wrong)
But I think it's probably just another 'red-herring' given the actual % of our overseas aid that goes to India (which I believe to be IRO 5%, correct me if I'm wrong)
Dig out the figures for foreign aid and the percentage of it (more importantly, the absolute amount!) that is spent lobbying in the UK rather than spent on getting food/water to the foreign poor.
Dave
02 November 2009, 04:10 PM
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Yes, I find it odd that we send money to a country that has a space programme, however I think the following points are worth thinking about;
1) The amount is small. I think we spend a few % of gdp on foreign aid in total, and if Martin is correct 5% of that is quite small.
2) I think the 'aid' buys the UK a tactical partner. India is quite influential, a nuclear power and geographically well placed as a buffer to Pakistan, China and the Middle East. Its a friendly country to the UK, and I wonder whether that aid is just a way to purchase that influence and cooperation.
3) When the USA put a man on the moon (if they actually did LOL) there were (and still are ) people starving there and without healthcare. They weren't receiving aid though I grant you.
But countries like India could argue that things like the space programme may in thhe long term help lift people out of poverty. 20 years ago you could have argued why open up huge info/IT parks in Bangalore with state of the art tech and fibre optic connections when a large % of the population probably didn't have electricity.
Well that investment has now turned into a multi billion dollar industry for India.
Its an interesting philosophical and ethical question
1) The amount is small. I think we spend a few % of gdp on foreign aid in total, and if Martin is correct 5% of that is quite small.
2) I think the 'aid' buys the UK a tactical partner. India is quite influential, a nuclear power and geographically well placed as a buffer to Pakistan, China and the Middle East. Its a friendly country to the UK, and I wonder whether that aid is just a way to purchase that influence and cooperation.
3) When the USA put a man on the moon (if they actually did LOL) there were (and still are ) people starving there and without healthcare. They weren't receiving aid though I grant you.
But countries like India could argue that things like the space programme may in thhe long term help lift people out of poverty. 20 years ago you could have argued why open up huge info/IT parks in Bangalore with state of the art tech and fibre optic connections when a large % of the population probably didn't have electricity.
Well that investment has now turned into a multi billion dollar industry for India.
Its an interesting philosophical and ethical question
02 November 2009, 04:19 PM
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Without wishing to get into the rights and wrongs of this, I think you have to bear in mind that the people claiming Child Benefit are actually paying tax into the UK treasury, the same as you and I.
Oh and charity doesn't 'start at home' it starts with the charitable!
Oh and charity doesn't 'start at home' it starts with the charitable!
02 November 2009, 04:27 PM
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NICE BUT BEAR IN MIND THEY ARE DOING LOWPAYED JOBS so therefore pay very little tax . i pay 125quid a month tax and get back more in child benefit as we have 3 children oh and gross wages are 1235per month take home 989 so the benefits far outweigh the gains to the country . and you didnt mention the childrens tax credit they can claim that after 12months , nice earner if you can get it straight away ,, after all i have paid in for 25years not 12 months
You could argue why should others pay more tax to fund YOUR children
02 November 2009, 04:41 PM
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it's a murky business i am afraid
aid and the arms industry have a symbiotic relationship
I would suspect that the areas of the world that receive the most aid from the UK--- also benefit the UK by receiving large amounts of our arms trade (often, as the recent BAE systems corruption case, totally useless to them)
I would also suspect we are well UP on the deal
aid and the arms industry have a symbiotic relationship
I would suspect that the areas of the world that receive the most aid from the UK--- also benefit the UK by receiving large amounts of our arms trade (often, as the recent BAE systems corruption case, totally useless to them)
I would also suspect we are well UP on the deal
03 November 2009, 12:09 AM
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If I am not mistaken - foriegn aid does not consist of handing money over to foriegn governments.
It generally consists of handing the money over to UK companies who provide the aid to the other country.
The point being that it is not a complete write off for UK inc. as many of the general public seem to think.
It generally consists of handing the money over to UK companies who provide the aid to the other country.
The point being that it is not a complete write off for UK inc. as many of the general public seem to think.
03 November 2009, 12:12 AM
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03 November 2009, 08:20 AM
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If I am not mistaken - foriegn aid does not consist of handing money over to foriegn governments.
It generally consists of handing the money over to UK companies who provide the aid to the other country.
The point being that it is not a complete write off for UK inc. as many of the general public seem to think.
It generally consists of handing the money over to UK companies who provide the aid to the other country.
The point being that it is not a complete write off for UK inc. as many of the general public seem to think.
"... So how is this working out in practice? In 2007, the UK gave 20 percent of their total bilateral ODA in the form of budget support to 13 countries: Tanzania, Ethiopia, Pakistan, Ghana, Uganda, Mozambique, Vietnam, Malawi, Zambia, India, Sierra Leone, Nepal, and Nicaragua. (Source) Of this list, only Ghana and India were classified as “free” by the annual Freedom House ratings on democracy (according to either the 2007 or 2008 rating). For the 11 other countries that did get British budget support, how much is there “country ownership” when the government is not democratically accountable to the “country”? ..."
Dave
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