That is totaly spot on and is what I put money on happening.
The classic scoob is just going through the crashing and trashing chav phase cossies went through. The only bloke I now know owns a cossie is 48 and a die hard enthusiast. It will be the same case with classic scoobs. Give it another 5-10years tops. Just look at how many classics are being broken now....thats is a sign of the direction things are going.

E46 BMW is/is slowly becoming the next big Chav car

 

If it breaks i will fix it, 2-3k for a new engine is worth every penny . now ive had a minor front end ding am having the whole car rubbed down and re-sprayed so the body work will be mint and everything else can be fixed if it breaks

Will just keep chucking money at the old girl to keep her in mint condition, not that am going to wrap it up for winter of anything its a daily driver for me

 

Thats what i thought too

 

It's only vehicles made before 1973

Exemptions from paying vehicle tax : Directgov - Motoring

 

They've definitely had their day. My STi wagon can still hold its own on today's roads, but a standard one would struggle. That said, i can't think of another car i'd rather own, that's why i've kept it, despite the deterioration of its image. Like others, i'm happy to wait for all the crap ones to disappear. But no way would i change for a new-age one. Classic or nothing.

 

More like 20 imo ...just down to the amount of cars to start with, how many Cossies/Saphires/Escossie's did you used to see on the road in their hey day compared to Classics?

 

If I get another it'll be a typeR or something. Nothing later than this shape appeals to me at all.

 

Interesting idea for a thread this one. Comparing the relative performance of cars like the classics and the more modern imprezas and their competitors just shows how far cars have come. Dont forget that 1994 is actually quite a long time ago now. You really couldnt justify selling a performance car now without an air bag or ABS just like early STIs could you?

Its still amazing that on paper a JDM classic wont be totally blown away by a Focus RS, despite all the time in between.

Anyone keeping a classic shape car for an investment will be waiting a long time to get their money back I reckon. While I might be wrong, the only classics which will increase in value are the 22b's, and possibly the P1's. Anything else is just a victim of oversupply, and the tarnish of drum and bass nation 17 listening types.... Eventually it'll come out the other side, just like all the other performance bargains (80's RS fords, 205 GTI's etc.)

Seriously though- does anyone on here expect to be using their impreza every day in 10-15 years time? I'm not expecting to. I'm not mystic meg, but by then wont oil prices and taxation will surely be making 18mpg even more painful than it is at the moment?

Would be interested to hear any thoughts on that...

 

not quite sure where you got that idea from, that stopped back in about 1972, so unless your scoob has gone back in time and registered before then, your in for a shock

Tony

 

I think what's often missed is the awd performance of the scoob. Although other cars have caught up power wise. They cannot match the handling or sticking to the road action of the scoob. This is one of the main reasons i keep mine.
I have to travel Scottish country roads and want to do so safely and at a good pace, there is no car i know that can match the scoob for this. Especially for the money they cost(so not an evo). Its just the damn fuel costs that bite so hard.
I'm really not sure what to drive once the old girl kicks the can. I hope Subaru can get a hot diesel on the go. I think that's really the future.
If they can combine, light/diesel/handling and power together and take some risks they may get noticed again. As for now they have as it's been said just not advanced from what they used to do.
I like the hatch and think its a step in the right direction. I'd like a bit more of a sleeper style power car. You feel a total d**k driving up to a Hotel etc in one. Not to mention the universal hate from the public the Impreza gets. They just need to sort out the technology and move forward. Otherwise they will go the way of the Cossie etc as a past master. Boo hoo!

 

Bugger

I like your "out the box" thinking Tony ....if you ever manage to whip up such device give me a call

 

that's why you'll never see a delorean with a tax disc.

 

i didnt state wrc, but lets face it, a impreza on a off rd track will chew all the posh bmw dervs that at the start of the thread ppl were talking about as standard, more grip and better handling. too many idiots on here who just love to rip pi$$. and probably no sweet FA.

 

I think in the next 3 to 5 years Classic Impreza's will be a rare sight on the roads, with the amount that are written off and broken at the mo, the chav image will slowly drop away as they will be driving more modern cars.

Evo magazine called the Impreza a cult car last year! I think all the limited editions will be sought after, especially the 22B. I wonder what the availability of GC8 body panels will be like in a few years?

 

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of risotto.

SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good glass of Château de Chasselas, eh, Josiah?

THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
You're right there, Obadiah.

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here drinking Château de Chasselas, eh?

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
In them days we was glad to have the price of a cup o' tea.

SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
A cup o' cold tea.

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Without milk or sugar.

THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
Or tea.... ect, ect,ect,

Monty Python's Flying Circus - "Four Yorkshiremen"

Oh, and by the way.. I remember when all this was fields...

Classic, Newage or Hatch. I Like em all. It's the principal behind it all. Flat 4, AWD low COG ect, ect.

 

Ahh yes those posh pesky BMW drivers on off road tracks, bloody country is full of them..........................


Yea totally know what you mean.......................

 

Anyone keeping an Impreza for investment purposes is going to be in for a shock, even a 22b or a p1. They will retain their value, but won't increase anything once costs etc are taken out.

 

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Aye, very passable, that, very passable bit of classic Scooby.

SECOND YORKSHIREMAN:
Nothing like a good bug-eye STI !

THIRD YORKSHIREMAN:
There's always the blob-eye to consider ? Yer' naw.

FOURTH YORKSHIREMAN:
Tha wants a hawk-eye lad.

FIRST YORKSHIREMAN:
Who'd have thought thirty year ago we'd all be sittin' here looking at a Subaru diesel hatchback.....

dunx

P.S. The WYIOC is full of "bugs", plus a few hawks, classics and blobs too, no hatch (yet !).....

 

I've said it a thousand times before, but there is a saying in the trade:

"Before a car becomes a classic, it becomes cheap"

The classic Impreza is destined for cult status; the new age cars will not follow suite; this is NOT necessarily to say that they went down hill after the classic.

 

Our future ...

http://www.ridelust.com/wp-content/u...on_mad_max.jpg

TX.

PS

If I repeat something often enough does that make it true

 

If you own a Classic great and if you hate a newage no Problem that's what personal choice is all about

I've have owned 2 Classic's and 2 newage Scoobs, I know which I prefer

They are all cheap jap performance Cr4p but hey, I like my very fat, slow and ugly JDM hawk T20

Tony

Ps

Over the last 8years I wonder how many "Rocky" films. oopps i mean "Classics versus newage" Threads have pop up?

no doubt this won't be the last

 

sad but true....how many imprezas now live on council estates.they tried to upgrade them..but the germans won.and not for the right reasons.subaru gave the world an everyday car,which could for the price kick the f**k out off everything for decent money...but things have changed..personaly.i wouldnt be seen dead in a bmw,audi,merrrrrrceeedes.overpriced,overspecc,hogg er of the right lane,and you need somebody to challenge these tossers.upwards rise the nation of subaru,and a bit of road sense

 

and who cares....as long as you enjoy a scoob....well everyday will be great.you could like drive a golf or something.lol my wife has an yaris..my god its so sssssss...llllll....oooooo.....wwwww

 

You cant really use the Prodrive WRC car used in scoobysprint to make a point about the Subaru ranges, it's a £500K bespoke competition car, it doesnt really matter what skin it had over that technology, it would have done the same thing if it were a Citroen WRC for example.

Whats more of interest in this debate is how the other cars performed, out of all the standard class cars nothing could come close to my full weight JDM STI Blobeye (not a 100Kg lighter Spec C), and in the modified class Andy Forrest's Bugeye Spec C cleaned up, then you had a lot of newage cars right up the front, so the increased weight isnt telling you the whole picture of what really matters with these cars.

The breed moves on generally with each generation, although Subaru do make some odd choices at times which takes them a while to sort out, which is why with a new generation model you normally find the second year of the new model has improvements that make a difference.

I'd be interested to see how the next hatch MY works, and see if they have tightened it up a bit, it has all the makings of a cracking car and should handle better than all the previuos models if they set the suspension rates up properly.

The asthetics of the cars has always been questionable, even the classic when compared to similar period cars is no looker, it's just a look that works for what it was meant to be.

Personally i'd love car makers to go away from what they currently do, but untill lightweight technology becomes more comercially viable, you are always going to see heavier cars being produced because of the safety straightjackets they now have to wear. If we could have a newage technology car with the weight of a classic as a product we could buy at the dealers, that would be perfect. I cant see that coming anytime soon though to the mainstream, sadly. The new McLaren road car could be showing the way forward technology wise though, as they have developed a cheap and fast to produce carbon chassis, if that became a mainstream process that could give a big leap in safety/weight loss and get us back on the right track.

 

i read some years ago that the classics are somewhat future proof? The original turbo 2000 i believe is faster than the current wrx? And look at the p1 and the later classic jdm sti's theyre probably as quick as the current sti which is still rated as a top performance car of its time. I for one am not ready to move over and eat diesel soot just yet.

 

That sums it up really.

 

I have just read the AutoCar test of the New Megane 250 vs RS Focus. They say the Megane is growing up, the weight is up, the spec is up but it's made the car civilised, this is exactly what's happened to Subaru.

Also, looking at the raw stats both cars are slower than my V5 JDM STi

The other article of interest is the MD from Toyota quoting that cars need to be more exciting, he's stood in front of the new "Toybaru" Coupe. It's only 2WD but with the Subaru flat 4 engine, but looks pretty good.

Stick a AWD in it re-skin it and it will be the Subaru that the P2 could have been.

 

Well I think my new shape impreza is as fast a car as I'll ever need. I'd much rather have it than the countless run of the mill hot hatches out there. It works better on our crap roads too because of the softer suspension.

 

Move to France Scoobs are very rare here I haven't seen anything on 4 wheels nr to me that would match my 330bhp Newage yet and everybody loves the noise
Everywhere you go you get respect from young and old as it looks and sounds amazing.
In the UK I felt like a young boy racer ashamed to press the right pedal