warrenm2

Woohoo - Petes back!

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Dealers are only making a living/money??

There are dealers out there that will get kids hooked, just to have some runner to sell on their drugs, keeping them safer from getting caught.

I wouldn't say adding more drugs into the equation is the best approach, but it is an option. Then there is some control over what is happening on our streets. People will take drugs if that is what they want to do, legal or not.

I think alot of the problem in this country is our attitude towards drugs, legal or not. It's not just about the substance itself, but our behaviour as a society. So many people just want to go out and get wasted by whatever means possible, and regardless of the impact they have on others. One way or another we need to change that. There is a far bigger picture than just simply saying whether certain things should be illegal or not imo.

Martin2005

So that would be the same Conservative Party that would libralise our drug laws....WHEN HELL FREEZES OVER?

Trout

iTrader: (1)

If I could do the big thumbs up thing I would.

Big thumbs up. I almost forgot I was reading Scoobynet there! Well said

Jamz3k

I think the fella is right, all in moderation thou, I did alot of drugs when i was younger but after 2/3years i grew out of it, didn't do me any harm, In saying that some of my mates who wouldn't touch a drugs at the time might as well be described as alcoholics.

Always acceptions to the rules though I now a few people who have had their lives completely ****ed up by Cannabis but i think its more down to your mental health to begin with. I've never came across anyone to die or suffer ill side affects of ecstacy (other than a comedown for a day or 2) though.

My ideal night out clubbing? Couple of ecstacy tables washed down with redbull and vodka whilst listening to the funkiest of house music! All in moderation plus i never get the time to money to go out anymore!

GC8WRX

MDMA doesnt make you sweat, grind teeeth or halucinate, MDEA (the cheap chemical rip off of E) does.


Like most uk drugs, they are cut to death nowadays, and are pocket money to buy!



Bring back the days when a pill was 10-15 quid, was clean as ****, you could eat and sleep after and you felt great the next day!

wrighty338

iTrader: (33)

you can clean ecstacy tablets now a days, but youd need to test it first..and well tbh i wouldnt buy it in tablet form. £60 a gram ftw lol. if your gonna do drugs atleast do it as safe and proper as you can. all IMO of course, some of the oldies wont agree with me of course.

Leslie

Using drugs is a particularly stupid thing to do. I can't exclude tobacco and alcohol from that but it should be easier to regulate your use of the last two rather than the great risk of getting hooked on the damaging ones which are going to kill you in a pretty unpleasant way.

I understand fully how difficult it is to stop using them when you are hooked as indeed I was on tobacco and it was a real fight to dump it.

There really should be a concerted effort to educate very young people about the real dangers of all that so that they know for certain what they might be getting themselves into.

The worst characters of course are the dealers who are totally irresponsible and will deliberately get people hooked for their own selfish purposes. They should be risking very high and unpleasant penalties when they are caught.

It always occurred to me that why was it necessary to try to be the life and soul of the bunch in an effort to impress everyone with an artificially manufactured personality.

Les

Luan Pra bang

Les with all due respect you seem to have no idea about how wide spread and normal recreational drug use has become. The overwhelming majority of cocaine users are normal working people and apart from being irritating and talking rubbish all night they come to no harm from it. Your view of drugs seems to be based on heroin addiction and ignores the beneficial effects some thay have had on society. Very few of them are chemically addictive and I can guarantee that every one in my local pub would have a harder time to stop drinking than to stop taking coke. Frankly my idea of hell is being trapped by a coked up nobber talking rubbish non stop but that aside from that I respect his right to sniff dodgy lines off the back of a toilet cistern if that is his thing.

Luan Pra bang

Les with all due respect you seem to have no idea about how wide spread and normal recreational drug use has become. The overwhelming majority of cocaine users are normal working people and apart from being irritating and talking rubbish all night they come to no harm from it. Your view of drugs seems to be based on heroin addiction and ignores the beneficial effects some thay have had on society. Very few of them are chemically addictive and I can guarantee that every one in my local pub would have a harder time to stop drinking than to stop taking coke. Frankly my idea of hell is being trapped by a coked up nobber talking rubbish non stop but that aside from that I respect his right to sniff dodgy lines off the back of a toilet cistern if that is his thing.

Martin2005

Are you saying taking cocaine in a good thing, because thats how this reads?


I'm certainly no expert on drugs having got to the age of 41 without needing to take any, but is there no link between cocaine users and heroin addiction?

unclebuck

Originally Posted by Leslie
Using drugs is a particularly stupid thing to do.

Yurr right

I tell that to all sick people....

What would you do without yours?

Trout

iTrader: (1)

I do not understand your comments here Les.

What are the damaging ones which kill you in a pretty unpleasant way?

Alcohol with sclerosis and many other tragic diseases.

Tobacco with lung cancer, or throat cancer?

Heroin can be pretty bad - but prescribed heroin users look just like any normal person walking down the street. The circumstances of being a heroin addict are far more likely to kill someone through malnutrition, HIV etc.

Drugs are nothing like the ogre that is potrayed by the hysterical right wing press; a press that Gordon Brown is trying to impress by taking this ridiculous stance.

And why would other drugs be harder to regulate than alcohol or tobacco if we put our mind to it. It is just that they are not socially acceptable.

Making drug taking more criminal drives it underground. Decriminalising it at least gives some hope of surfacing it and dealing with it.

MJW

The myth of the sly, devious long-overcoat wearing drug dealer hanging around outside school gates is just that - a myth. Drug dealers these days are friends who buy for friends and it is nothing like the image held by people who have no understanding or experience of the drug culture.

Martin2005

Yeah they sound like great 'friends'

Leslie

No point in quoting an individual post here. Of course | realise that drugs are used in a pretty widespread manner now, but how does that justify their use? I said it was a stupid road to go down and there is more than enough proof of that in the world. I don't know how one can say they are not that addictive or that they don't lead on to the danger of total disaster for many people, either gross addiction and criminal behaviour to sustain the habit, or both, and eventually death!

It does not matter who supplies the stuff, friends or general dealers, they are all guilty of a vicious trade and their characters can only be regarded as "the pits".

UB, I honestly thought you were more intelligent than to make a particularly stupid post like that one of yours above! What are you trying to prove?

Despite all the specious excuses, I stand by what I said in my earlier post.

Les

HPLovecraft

UK drug death figures: deaths per annum 1995

Alcohol 4,235
Tobacco 120,000
Cannabis 0
LSD 0
Peanuts 7
Viagra 7
Ecstasy 4
Prescription/Over the counter drugs 973

MJW

As I said previously, if you have had no experience of the drug culture you simply will not understand.

Martin2005

You are right I am very far removed from the ‘drug culture’ but don’t expect me not to have an opinion on drugs. I have 2 young children, what do I say to them; “Sorry kids I don’t understand the drug culture, so don’t listen to me, you do what your freinds do”?

Jamz3k

if you took ecstacy followed by some viagra would it balance out the Mr Winky problems?

MJW

Tell your kids whatever the hell you like, chances are they're going to experiment with them anyway whether you like it or not.

Luan Pra bang

I do not for 1 second think that taking cocaine is in anyway a good thing but I do understand the need for a black market illicit trade in products that get you out of your face. If cocaine was legal people would sniff something else, if weed was legal it would be used far less than it is now and people would smoke some other crap. Many people are attracted to drugs simply becasue of its clandestine nature. Ultimately the trade will always be there because
of how people are and how they think.
A study of the black disciples gang in chicago showed the footsoldiers selling the crack on street corners earned the same as a mcdonalds worker per hour yet had a 1 in 4 chance of being shot in a four year period. The reasons they do it are not cash its about wanting to be a 'bad boy' and dreaming of perhaps making it to the top if you live long enough. People would rather be shot for minimum wage than work at mcdonalds and swallow thier pride and ask people to 'size up'. Deal with that first then perhaps the world can find a way to deal with its vast levels of drug use.

Leslie

Do you find that kind of situation admirable and do you think that justifies turning a blind eye and just letting it happen?

Les