Complete and utter lie as borne out by the correspondence that went between us where you were quite insistant and I told you I had no problem if you wanted to reduce your price to the same as mine.
You claim this is incomplete correspondence. This is a complete account. That is obvious from reading the correspondence file.

Please do not talk in riddles.
I havn't a clue who you are referring to and the only person I know advertising Hybrids at £550 or over is you yourself and certainly not one of my "friends".
Just who are you referring to?

I agree and if you want to sell below my price I am happy for the Scoobynet community but if you are seling above my prices and claiming best prices and never beaten on price then obviously at some point I will retalliate.

What you don't appear to have realised is that I ran a series of Group Buys on Hybrid intercoolers over a number of years where the price paid by the end user was exactly the import price with import tax and organised centrally by me. Now I know this might be a foreign precept for you to comprehend but there are plenty people on Scoobynet who benefited from the Group Buys that I ran that can attest to the fact that I organised these centrally and there was no financial gain for me. Therefore I was not going to advertise on Scoobynet and I was not avoiding Scoobynet Advertising fees.

In the interests of clarity my price for the GT kit is £290 and for the GT2 £315 and for the GDB £350. From 14-31 December the price for the GT2 will be the same as the GT £290. If you want to sell below these prices I think that is good.

I see?

I simply stated the facts :

and will add "No accounts filed for company 06405706 now dissolved. Accounts for Aztec Performance Limited 07002785 next return due 24-09-2010. All a matter of public record. Companies House

Now if you would like to get your prices down to benefit everybody you can keep claiming best prices and never beaten on prices.

index

 

The lag issue is so exaggerated IMO. All that talk about lag almost put me off getting a FMIC, but in the end I gave it a try anyway.

I honestly can't say that I notice more lag between gear shifts than before. The boost threshold might be a bit slower but that's it.

I can't say that my car feels that laggy anyway. I have had turbo cars with a lot more lag than that.
YouTube - Acctest WRXSTITYPERV5 (I'm not an expert at shifting with my left hand because I'm used to drivning LHD cars )

 

I see you have been busy Bob and you are trying to muddy the water further. Fortunately the dated paper trail that exists will show the facts to any independant observer without other input from me. You are showing many of the qualities of some of our politicians who are deceitful, try to turn things round 180 degrees, denial in the face of facts, arrogance and so on.
You previously stated that I suggested the price fix on the phone. This is an utter lie and you know it. Big mistake on your part.
Let me clarify for you. Mutual co-operation may read price fix to you because you are greedy and money orientated but for me and most others it means exactly what it says. Helping each other achieve common goals and provide good service. I operate mutual co-operation in all aspects of what I do and I like to keep things square and level but specifically relating to Subaru activity, Alcatek, Andy Kinden, API Engines, AS Performance, Bob Rawle, Import Car Parts, John Pye Motorsport, Pat Herbron, Roger Clark Motorsport, Scooby Clinic, Steve Simpson and even on occasion Mark/Lateral Performance. There are many others but that is not particularly relevant. It does not involve any form of price fixing and I have never engaged in price fixing with anyone at any time.
As deomonstrated by my refusal to engage in price fixing with you my interest throughout has been to achieve a fair and equitable environment for all Scoobynet bbs members and Subaru owners.
Three of the four documents above are prior to your request for a price fix. The first document you claim is a PM must be an email and you state it is dated 02/06/08.
At this time I was supplying you at a discounted price with Hybrid product that was sent direct to your customer, in plain wrapper with no reference to me on an overnight service. This was an area of mutually beneficial cooperation. You then got the kudos when your customers complimented you on Scoobynet for the prompt efficient delivery. This arrangement lasted for some time and you then attempted to squeeze greater discount from me. The effect of supplying you was simply that I reduced my margins further on sales that I might otherwise have achieved. Why people would want to deal with you at a price above my price when you had no technical input or spares inventory was surprising but I recognised you were very active with "marketing".
While you were advertising Hybrid intercoolers you had no stock so effectively you were just a middle man and not even a box mover as I was doing that for you. You then tried to negotiate keener prices which I resisted. When that didn't work you obtained your own supply of Hybrid intercoolers and it was then that you suggested that as we were the only two in the market place we set our prices at an inflated level. My response was quite simple. You could match my price or beat it but I was not prepared to rip off the Subaru community which is clearly what you wanted to do and you demonstrated your greed.
index has the relevant emails which are dated. There were further delays, probably while you were awaiting delivery of your order but at some point you telephoned me and made an unspecified threat if I was not prepared to cooperate on prices and subsequently we had a minor skirmish of a price war. This was about the time I went on holiday in September. Sometime after this you stopped stocking Hybrid on the basis of the poor exchange rate.
Now regards the fourth email I cannot remember that and it is not easily to hand so I guess it was in the normal line of daily activity. Be quite clear that our relationship ceased when I refused to enter into pricing arrangements with you and you made the unspecified threat. Another big mistake by you.
Now I should point out that you make claims or have made claims of selling these intercoolers at £200 odd pound below list price. As I have already stated, there is no Hybrid list price as you well know and if there was a list price there would be no discussion about price fixing.

The reason I take great exception to you is your tactics and false claims. Best Prices. Never beaten on price. Biggest stocks which is a joke considering you don't know what I have etc. etc. and this is not just on front mount intercoolers but clutches and flywheels too. So if you continue to operate without scruple in areas that I operate I guess I will always be on your back. Match my prices or better them and everything in the garden will be rosy but if you wish to sell at higher prices I have no problem with that either but don't make dishonest claims.

Are you having a laugh. Recently you tried to tell someone it was about 3 hours to fit a Hybrid FMIC. Clearly you have never fitted one yourself. We have had several of your customers come to us for advice on fitting and I have not held back as they themselves can verify. Indeed was there not one on here last week, Jef from Glasgow. He got total assistance and I even took the trouble to take photographs for him, we had a long telephone conversation and he has my phone number for further assistance. Your customer.

Not many years ago Bob until about three years ago or less and I can be specific if necessary. Hybrid asked me to advertise which I did and I paid a proportion as it included my ported headers. My involvement with Subarus, much like yours I guess, started as a hobby but because of the results I was achieving and turning some of the Scoobynet myths of the time upside down and I was giving good advice, good product and I only had two products and good service it sort of mushroomed to the point that it is now a small business. Indeed I have you to thank for that in part because I would not be selling flywheels and clutches on the open market (we need these for our garage activity which is totally independent of Harvey Performance) if it was not for you claiming to have best prices etc when our historic price to our own customers already bettered yours and I should point out that it is a customer I have to thank for pointing this out to me. At that point I arranged Scoobynet advertising with Simon de Bank and there was no subterfuge as you suggest but while you are on the topic of Scoobynet advertising let us not forget that you were conducting your business on Scoobynet for some time 14 months ago and longer without Advertising status. People in glass houses should not throw stones.
I see you question my tax affairs. When I get a visit as I expect I will, I will let everyone know.
I realise it is alien to you but the Group Buys organised on Scoobynet were completely non profit operations and to within a penny or two the price paid by the participant was the cost of the intercooler here and sent on to their address. This is something else I have contributed to the Subaru community bearing in mind that a typical FMIC was around £1200 before I became involved with Hybrid.

I have no idea what API do and that is their business. They can speak for themselves if they wish.

Your last paragraph is noted. Somehow I don't perceive any sincerity. I am operating a very small business giving very competitive prices coupled with service which includes prompt reliable deliveries and technical backup and I don't mind helping people that need help and advice and money is not the motivator. Even ignoring the numerous emails daily which are all dealt with professionally many people come to see me for advice alone and I only do for them what I would do for myself.

 

Harvey, the fact of the matter is if we stopped selling Hybrid FMICs you would be over the moon (and then inflate your prices, as you do when we are out of stock) and probably stop stalking.

Drop shipping is normal practice with small businesses and we drop ship for many out there. Fortunately, the business has moved on a fair bit and we have extensive stocks of everything in our warehouse.

I don't have a small man complex, therefore don't need to supply a list of the people we deal with or take little pictures of the same stock stacked up in your garage or out in the rain on a pallet.

When I say best of luck, I genuinely mean it. I still think that if ever we met up for a beer/cuppa we wouldn't be tearing pieces out of one another as we do online.

 

harvey please do not bring me into this squabble

i did phone you as you say, but it was to discuss induction problems with my car NOTHING to do with fmic.

now what i will say is harvey went out of his way to offer me excellent help, above and beyond what i would of expected, the conversation evolved onto fmic - which was very helpful and very much appreciated. its obvious to me that harvey does have an excellent knowledge of hybrids and fitting them and i would have absolutley no doubt in using his service as i beleive him to be an absolute enthusiast -who would treat your car as if it was his own.

you can tell just by speaking, he is passionate about what he does and thats fantastic.

at the same time bob did supply me with the kit, no hassles - good price and here when he said it would be. cant complain.


tbh this thread not only makes entertaining light reading but also does the members some good, with the "price war" thats evolving from it.

i dont want either company to take offence from my post as i would like to use both suppliers in the future if need be

 

Quote: APi a few weeks back were selling GT2 Hybrid FMICs for £577 delivered or thereabouts, but you probably already know this seeing as you supply them. Unquote

Attention Bob5

Get this straight; I expect a retraction at the very least.

APi has never sold a GT2. Let alone at your fictitious prices.

95% of hybrids sold by APi are fitted on jobs in the workshops.

I will decide what our price structure is; NOT YOU.

If you ever print a price for an API item that is not absolutely true as per our printed in house price list or web pages l will be forced to take extreme steps to get you to correct the error of your ways.

What you are attempting to do is prevent APi trading competitively by publishing false prices That is a malicious act and potentially damaging to API.

Cease and desist - now.

A VERY PISSED OFF David at APi

NOW apologise and make sure all on this thread understand that API do not sell any - let alone GT2 Hybrids at 577.00

 

Hi David,

You need to check what your sales staff are doing and saying (I can check the call time and date from the itemised bill if you wish?).

Price of £499 + £20 + VAT quoted when asked about the GT2.

Cheers,

Bob

PS. Stop feeding customers bull about our UK supplied clutches

 

Bob5

I AM THE SALES STAFF. I KNOW WHAT I SAY.

PROVE IT WITH HARD FACTS, OR RETRACT, OR SOLICITORS.

YOUR CHOICE.

David

 

PM'd David.

 

The fact is Jef that Bob5 customers contact me for advice relevant to fitting front mount intercoolers and as that also involves changing the induction I see the FMIC and induction required for the FMIC as one and the same. I am not dragging you in to anything simply making a statement of fact not just relating to you. I would also like to thank you for your honest account of our conversation and your kind words and I am happy to help you in any way I can in the future.
Glad you find this entertaining. Apart from the time it takes I think it is rather fun and exposing someone who wanted to set prices artificially high to line his own pockets and to the detriment of fellow Scoobynet members and Subaru owners in general needs doing, especially in view of all the false, misleading and deceitful advertising claims.

David : You are obviously dragged in by association but I see Bob5 is just as vague answering your charges as he is in dealing with my factual responses. At least you got an answer on topic. He doesn't answer any of my responses because he cannot and he goes off on another tangent.

From Bob5 :
WTF does the itemised bill and call time prove, other than that Bob5 poses as a customer or sets others up to do it for him and phones you and presumably others to gather information. I wonder how many of my email enquiries are spoofs and time wastes? This clown is full of bluster with the neck of a giraffe and indeed this is what he accused me of :

Bob: It strikes me as odd that you try to turn things round 180 degrees from the true position and you are showing all the qualities demonstrated quite recently by our esteemed, dishonest, greedy, corrupt, money grabbing politicians.
I have been busy all day so have not had time to come back on here, however :

I am selective as to who I rub shoulders with and I won't be having cosy cups of coffee with someone of your ilk, who you have accused of telling lies but if you would like me to visit you at your warehouse full of stock and show me just how much product you carry I would be happy to call and can be on your doorstep 09:00 Wednesday with camera. Your extensive warehouse and not the Pixmore Way offices.
Now if that is not a good offer you are welcome to come here any day this week Tuesday to Saturday and you can see what stock I have. There are other issues I wish to raise with you. I understand you might find that rather daunting so send someone you do business with that lives in the County Durham, Teesside or North Yorkshire area. It is unlikely they are more than half an hour away and independantly they will be able to advise you that you are totally out of order with this:

Indeed anybody reading this thread that wants to call in is welcome to do so and I hope Bob5 is big enough to make a humble apology on this board for yet more wrong conclusions. Bob I am dealing in easily verified fact unlike the figments of your imagination. Don't applly your standards and sneaky M.O to me and others. Your credibility is shot to hell.

So why do you still find it necessary to drop ship from Comline? Same goes for Phormula Knock Analysers and the Pro Knock and the list goes on.

Let me know where to meet you 09:00 Wednesday or confirm that you are coming to see me this week and we can sort a few things out.
Now for some

 

bob, wanna borrow one of these?




prob only way to dig a deeper hole for yourself

 

lmao

 

I'm still waiting for a retraction of the scurrilous comments about APi pricing. I am serious;

I want a simple line saying you are sorry and you must have been mistaken.

There is no ' young fellow ' working here.

David APi

No more pm's please Bob, I am not interested in any dialogue other than an apology - publicly.

 

As you seem intent on wanting to do this publicly:

Yes, I made a general enquiry as to the price of the Hybrids. Nothing to hide or be ashamed of. You are not a direct competitor of ours but supply things more on the basis of the garages we supply.

The young sounding lad on the phone gave me a price of £399+£20+VAT = £481.85 for the GT Spec. He had to put me on hold a few times as he seemed to lack the knowledge for pricing on the GT2. He did however come back to me with a price of £100 over the GT Spec, but wasn't to keen on selling it.

We know that competitors, trade customers etc call from time to time to check prices. It's all part of the process of ensuring that our prices are correct and competitve as advertised.

This is an accurate account of what happened.

If you wish to start a thread publicly asking how much other people have been quoted or charged by you for both the GT and GT2, then feel free to go ahead. I know the prices that I was given over the telephone and I did not speak to you. I will happily retract under these circumstances and put it down to a sales guy at your end getting it wrong.

Alternatively you can always pick up the phone as per PM.

Cheers,

Bob

 

This would have been on or just before 9th Sep, for your records.

 

Another 12 lines of CRAP. We do not have a "young sounding chap " on the phone. I deal with all Subaru enquiries, which is why I am on the phone all day, every day.

You or any of your mystery callers have not spoken to me about any Hybrid. As I said earlier, we supply and fit 95 % of Hybrids we get called for. So any enquiries for an over the counter sale are few and far between.

So just to clarify; APi over the counter prices are :

Standard Hybrid and GT2 GC8 car are £290.00 + VAT [ £333.50 inclusive ]

Gdb is £350.00 + VAT [ £411.25 inclusive ]

David APi

 

David, feel free to start a thread on "how much have you been quoted or charged for a GT or GT2 from APi in September" if you wish. I personally spoke to one of your sales guys (not you, I've met you on a couple of occasions and know what you sound like).

I don't take to kindly to be called a liar.

Start the thread if you wish and I will retract and put it down to a guy at your end not getting the prices wrong. Failing that I won't retract unless I see your comments removed first.

I'll start the thread for you if you wish?

By the way, it wasn't me that dragged you into this.

 

What a sorry state of affairs to read.
The question for the whole mod team at the moment is who is or is not making libellous comments at the moment. I personally think you should call each other and put an end to this sillyness before you both lose customers and on this basis I am locking this topic here.