JAKEsti

I had some sympathy until I saw the basic wage of 36K on tv last night then the 12K in OT I will swap jobs tomorrow. In all fairness if they don't like it they can ultimately go get another job they outearn
police
Fire
Teachers
Nurse
Army
Some Dr's and some lawyers

my mrs is a Deputy head of a school she is out earned I am a officer of the law please don't boo in the Met my colleague the day before yesterday had to hold / deal / search (injuries) a dead 2 year old baby in front of mother etc etc which I think is difficult to comprehend. We have the army getting battered in Afgan and these tw*at* are upset with there lot. If it was me and I felt that strongly I would leave and go get another job.

This topic make me so angry I ultimately I don't really mind they earn what they do fair play its the strike because its not enough that really really upsets me

sorry for the rant

what would scooby do

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

Just out of interest I was told that the Police obtain their mortgages though the force somehow, and pay a flat rate of 1%, is there any truth in that?

WRX_Dazza

i heard they just keep the stash from a few raids...

hodgy0_2

i don't understand what all the fuss is about

if train drivers get really well paid -- become a train driver

if you can't become a train driver -- maybe you don't deserve the wage they get

if you don’t want to become a train driver fine – why concern yourself with what they do or don’t get paid

JAKEsti

Not to my knowledge mine is with Northern Rock I know there are brokers that are supposed to be emergency service specialists etc but when I went for mine about 3 years ago they were pants as they are with car, house any insurance etc Northern Rock by far better (until of course they had theree shall we say issues)

None of my job mates with houses/flats have anything like 1% if you find out anything more PLEASE tell me!!

cookstar

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Thanks.

TelBoy

Isn't it a wider discussion about whether the strikes are justified? That certainly concerns me!!

dpb

Isnt it the preferred method of end it all , that alone has got to be worth the 38k

NotoriousREV

In the days of nationalised industry or when you could only work within a radius you could walk easily and were therefore pretty much forced to work for the local large employer, then unions and strikes were a neccesity.

These days, with job mobility and low unemployment, if you don't like it go and do something else instead of striking.

This applies to postmen, firemen, IT consultants etc. etc. When I feel underpaid or if the job conditions aren't good enough, I go and get another job. I don't down tools and **** things up for everyone else.

Nurses etc. may well be underpaid and loads of people will have loads of sympathy for them, however ask those same people how much extra tax and NI they're willing to pay to put nurses on £40k a year

JAKEsti

Its a good point

my opinion for what its worth

yes they are justified striking IF ALL other options exhausted (which I assume they had been) problems seem to arise when its ad-hoc lets have a meeting on the Monday stirke on the Wed etc etc or why strike just refuse to work the sundays?

Also seems to be an issue with there leader who appears a little power mad remanisant (sorry for spelling) of Arthur Scargell in the 70's / 80's calling his troops out if the coffee was cold.

there must be a middle ground btw organised strikes, speaking to each other management v. Staff and keeping us poor sods mobile on the trains to work and there PAY

hodgy0_2

wasn't the recent raft of disruption on the train network simply because train drivers didn't turn up for any overtime work

that just smacks of crap management and inadequate resource allocation to me

fitzscoob

From what I remember you are correct - however they rely on employees having to work the OT as they are understaffed.

Surely from an employers point of view, it must be cheaper to stop overtime across the board and employ more drivers.

cookstar

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It costs upwards of £100k to train a driver up, then there is pension/benefits/sick leave just to name a few reasons why not.

alcazar

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A friend was a driver with BR and then EWS until he had to retire.
He was trained on over 15 different classes of loco, all with different characteristics that he had to LEARN, plus he had to know HUNDREDS of miles of route, by heart, so he could drive it in pitch dark or fog, knowing EXACTLY where he was, what signal was coming up, what the gradient was, etc etc.

All this with up to 2000 tonnes trailing at 70mph.

They deserve what they get, and more.

fitzscoob

So are they training enough drivers at the moment to replace those who you lose each year through retirement, death, job changes etc?

scoobyster

Give us the gist of it then.. Ever sent one the wrong way?!

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

Basically as described earlier, I work a range of locations all around North London London and have covered the C2C line in Essex, so if you if you travel on the North London line or C2C then your life has been in my hands at some point, I am based in signalboxs or control centres, I have an overview of every train in the area, a timetable of where they need to be and when and I make it happen.

cookstar

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I haven't got in depth knowledge of their recruitment quotas, I have however had a few conversations with driver managers in the past that have explained the cost involved in training new guys up.

Clarebabes

How many people a year end it all under your trains?

dpb

its always slightly worried me you maybe flicking switches in between posts ..

Thankfully i dont think ill need to pass thro this bit

cookstar

iTrader: (6)

Far too many, even dealing with it on the other end of a phone is harrowing enough.

cookstar

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I never post at work mate, well not any more anyway.

fatherpierre

No, none at all.

I wish.

paulwrxboro

my mate was thinking trains were easy to drive, he derailed 3 in 3 weeks, he is now a crane driver

davyboy

I can drive lots of cars, and I know the way to lots of places without using my sat nav. Many bus drivers could say the same.

Not that many, I'd guess statisically it's very low. It's a good headline though.

BOB.T

Every year since I started this job, thanks! And weekends and Bank Holidays!

michaelro

Police & Fireman get paid a lot more than Nurses as a basic salary and get various other perks that they don't get.

Police & Firemans jobs are fairly easy in comparison to Nurses (Flame Suit On)

Only real reward is maybe believing you are making a difference, which is deminishing each year.

Leslie

Do you honestly think that is all he has to do or be able to do if the circumstances demand, or how much training and airborne time he has to serve to get a left hand seat job and the depth of knowledge and experience he has to have as well as the responsibilities?

Les

johnlogie

iTrader: (4)

You think they get paid alot? You should see what we get, "we" are the ones that work on the track


What do you do for a living davyboy?