Ex-soldier faces jail for handing in gun
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Didn't you get a friendly visit off the Police first?
I thing I hate most about the whole situation is that the police have a high level of power to influence and control the lives of other people and yet, require little in the way of intelligence. I know I'll get flamed to death for what I'm about to say...however, I also hope that most of you spend just a few minutes thinking about what I have to say and maybe you'll realize that I'm largely correct......
.......think back to school, to your year and all the people in it. Now think about the really clever kids, the straight A's and B's students. They kids that demonstrated an ability to pass exams but also, those kids that were clearly very intelligent but just didn't apply themselves in the exam room. Of that group you have in your mind, how many became police officers? I'll bet most of them went on to be lawyers, doctors, buisness people or work in the private sector in some capacity. Now think about the kids that did become coppers and what they were like. IME, they were seldom the bright sparks although, in fairness, not usually the dumbo's either. You see, people join the police when they have nothing else better to do or have failed to achieve their other dreams and goals. I know a few coppers and its the same story: they didn't spend their lives wanting to be police and working towards that goal. Instead, they failed to achieve other goals and settled for the police as its reasonably well paid, has a promotion heirarchy and various benefits including a good pension, etc.
The consequence of this is that very few police officer represent the upper percentile of population intelligence and the vast majority of them have some degree of a chip on their shoulder with society. Often they have felt powerless for some/all of their lives as they failed to achieve what others could achieve. Now they relish in their new found power over society and abuse it at every opportunity they get. You can see it in their mannerisms. Watch for the coppers (90%+ of them) that arch their back as they stand and tuck their thumbs into the shoulder straps on their stab-vests. Seriously, look for it and examine that body language - from this simple action you can read their entire attitude. You'll get no favours or friendly 'words' from these people. These are the nobodies from school that hate the fact you were successful at university or worked your way up through that company or set up your own business. They hate the fact that you can now run around in that nice Scooby, 911, Jag, whatever. More than hate however, they just love the sense of power that they lacked throughout their childhood and school years.
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Only reason I asked is because my Dad gave me a stephen grant, which I think his dad gave him and when I dont pay the £40 I only ever get a knock (two or three times this has happened) and a friendly nudge, the gun, in all honestly, probably doesn't fire properly.
I didn't know warrants could be given. Where did you store yours?
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Yeah a warrant was definatly issued under the firearms act 19??, although it wasn't needed, they could of just asked
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So let me guess, for your honest mistake you now have a criminal record which will impact on your insurance choices, job choices, traveling choices, etc, etc, etc. Nice of the police to remind you that your certificate was about to run out and that you should either surrender your weapons or renew it. Of course, easier to wait until it runs out and then charge you with a 'crime' for which they know they will achieve solvency - helps the figures n' all that
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So let me guess, for your honest mistake you now have a criminal record which will impact on your insurance choices, job choices, traveling choices, etc, etc, etc. Nice of the police to remind you that your certificate was about to run out and that you should either surrender your weapons or renew it. Of course, easier to wait until it runs out and then charge you with a 'crime' for which they know they will achieve solvency - helps the figures n' all that ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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But yes a record and all that goes with it
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To be truthful my cert was a couple of months out of date and i was/am well aware of the consequences of my lack of action, so no probs with plod 'just doing their job', take it on the chin and crack on
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So let me guess, for your honest mistake you now have a criminal record which will impact on your insurance choices, job choices, traveling choices, etc, etc, etc. Nice of the police to remind you that your certificate was about to run out and that you should either surrender your weapons or renew it. Of course, easier to wait until it runs out and then charge you with a 'crime' for which they know they will achieve solvency - helps the figures n' all that ![Smile](images/smilies/smile.gif)
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What about people who drive with no insurance? Honest mistake? What about causing death through dangerous driving? Honest mistake?
Your assessment of people who join the police days more about the group of people you come from than the police. I understand your opinion comes from your experience but I guarantee you attitude will now cause you to be treated a certain way by the police, too they also look at your body language
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Next time I'm murdering a prostitute, I look forward to the police tapping me on the shoulder to remind me it's illegal before I commit the crime.
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NotoRev, what you infer is plainly silly. Of course I don't expect that all 'crime' should be treated as an honest mistake or, indeed, an initial warning handed out. However, there has to be fact and degree in life and the police of yesteryear knew this. These days, they do not. b13bat was certainly stupid for overlooking his responsibilities however, is he a danger to society? Is he a criminal?. Or is he just an easy target? God forbid that the police are around when a poor law abiding citizen is having his head stomped on by 5 'known' yooofs. Oh no, they are nowhere to be seen in those circumstances as they are off looking for and insta-solving crimes like b13bats.
As for the body language thing. Lol. You have no idea, absolutely NO IDEA, how upfront and cooperative I've been with the police in my 31 years on this planet. Not made the blindest bit of difference
As for the body language thing. Lol. You have no idea, absolutely NO IDEA, how upfront and cooperative I've been with the police in my 31 years on this planet. Not made the blindest bit of difference
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It's a firearms certificate not a dog licence. I, for one, am glad the police don't **** about with those things. B13bat does indeed seems to be a nice bloke who probably wouldn't hurt a fly but we don't know this for sure and neither do the police. Hence they take action against someone who, for potentially many reasons, has not renewed his firearms cert. Has he forgotten? Has he gone insane and wouldn't get his cert renewed because he's expressed a desire to shoot up his local primary school etc etc? (sorry to use you as an example, I'm sure you're a normal bloke)
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The problem with your observation Saxo is that you are applying 'judgement' as to how the law should be applied.
You are 'judging' that forgetting to renew your firearms license is not a 'proper crime'.
And yet you are 'judging' the police on how they 'interpret' or 'judge' the application of the law.
The law is a binary thing - you are either within the law or not. It may be irritating, but it is still the law.
We all like to think that coppers can apply judgement - and in many cases they do - sometimes it favours us, sometimes it doesn't. We also like to condemn the police when their judgement does not align with ours - which I guess is your experience.
I think B13BAT is a great example of pragmatism. He accepts he is wrong rather than condemning the police for doing their job.
You are 'judging' that forgetting to renew your firearms license is not a 'proper crime'.
And yet you are 'judging' the police on how they 'interpret' or 'judge' the application of the law.
The law is a binary thing - you are either within the law or not. It may be irritating, but it is still the law.
We all like to think that coppers can apply judgement - and in many cases they do - sometimes it favours us, sometimes it doesn't. We also like to condemn the police when their judgement does not align with ours - which I guess is your experience.
I think B13BAT is a great example of pragmatism. He accepts he is wrong rather than condemning the police for doing their job.
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It's a firearms certificate not a dog licence. I, for one, am glad the police don't **** about with those things. B13bat does indeed seems to be a nice bloke who probably wouldn't hurt a fly but we don't know this for sure and neither do the police. Hence they take action against someone who, for potentially many reasons, has not renewed his firearms cert. Has he forgotten? Has he gone insane and wouldn't get his cert renewed because he's expressed a desire to shoot up his local primary school etc etc? (sorry to use you as an example, I'm sure you're a normal bloke)
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My very piont, an un-licensed weapon to the authorities is just a murder/robbery ect waiting to happen. You f about with firearms and get it wrong, you get punished, simples
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When my Shotgun Cert was near it's renewal date, I got a letter reminding me to renew it or run the risk of having my guns confiscated and maybe destroyed.
And no doubt when my Firearms Cert is due for renewal they'll remind me of that too.
TBH honest, as with most jobs, you'll get some good employees and some bad. For every good cop there'll be a bad one. I work with a complete w*nker. The whole office hates him.
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IDK, maybe in time....maybe in time.
EDIT: I really hope the offense you are talking about isn't something lame like speeding. I mean, it's just taken for granted that the police will screw you over when you are driving your car and it if was speeding you won't have a criminal record or the implications I just spoke of.
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....and you are cool with that? Every time you try to renew your house insurance? Every time you apply for a job and are asked to declare your past? Every time you travel to America and have to first of all go to the American Embassy in London to beg your way into the country because you can't use the Visa Waiver Form, etc, etc, etc.
IDK, maybe in time....maybe in time.
EDIT: I really hope the offense you are talking about isn't something lame like speeding. I mean, it's just taken for granted that the police will screw you over when you are driving your car and it if was speeding you won't have a criminal record or the implications I just spoke of.
IDK, maybe in time....maybe in time.
EDIT: I really hope the offense you are talking about isn't something lame like speeding. I mean, it's just taken for granted that the police will screw you over when you are driving your car and it if was speeding you won't have a criminal record or the implications I just spoke of.
No point in being bitter. Move on and look after number 1.
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It is, and they do.
When my Shotgun Cert was near it's renewal date, I got a letter reminding me to renew it or run the risk of having my guns confiscated and maybe destroyed.
And no doubt when my Firearms Cert is due for renewal they'll remind me of that too.
TBH honest, as with most jobs, you'll get some good employees and some bad. For every good cop there'll be a bad one. I work with a complete w*nker. The whole office hates him.
When my Shotgun Cert was near it's renewal date, I got a letter reminding me to renew it or run the risk of having my guns confiscated and maybe destroyed.
And no doubt when my Firearms Cert is due for renewal they'll remind me of that too.
TBH honest, as with most jobs, you'll get some good employees and some bad. For every good cop there'll be a bad one. I work with a complete w*nker. The whole office hates him.
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even IF you did run to them they would probably do sweet fa!
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It's not the Police's job to remind a certificate holder of his responsibility, ffs. How do you forget you've got a deadly weapon stashed in the wardrobe?
What about people who drive with no insurance? Honest mistake? What about causing death through dangerous driving? Honest mistake?
Your assessment of people who join the police days more about the group of people you come from than the police. I understand your opinion comes from your experience but I guarantee you attitude will now cause you to be treated a certain way by the police, too they also look at your body language![Wink](images/smilies/wink.gif)
Next time I'm murdering a prostitute, I look forward to the police tapping me on the shoulder to remind me it's illegal before I commit the crime.
What about people who drive with no insurance? Honest mistake? What about causing death through dangerous driving? Honest mistake?
Your assessment of people who join the police days more about the group of people you come from than the police. I understand your opinion comes from your experience but I guarantee you attitude will now cause you to be treated a certain way by the police, too they also look at your body language
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Next time I'm murdering a prostitute, I look forward to the police tapping me on the shoulder to remind me it's illegal before I commit the crime.
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TYPICAL LYING CHEATING SCUM IN A POSITION OF AUTHORITY< SACK HIM!
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Most cops want to make a difference for all the right reasons, not the wrong ones.
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Where i used to work a young girl (about 19) hid an automatic weapon (loaded) for her boyfriend. The police raided her flat at 3 in the morning, fully tooled up SWAT style and she was taken into custody. All she got was a slap on the wrist. She never gat to play on the playstation or anything, back in work two days later.
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Most cops want to make a difference for all the right reasons, not the wrong ones.
I've seen this with my own eyes. People joining the force who I regard as fairly decent people and then I watch their attitudes slowly evolve (I prefer 'dissolve') over the next few years as their working conditions and colleagues who've been longer in the job poison their minds. A lass I know and like has recently joined the police force. Unfortunately that means I'll have little to say or do with her but it'll be interesting to monitor her development over the next few years. I expect she'll be no different from the rest. FWIW, btw, this lass has committed more petty crime (for which she's not been caught) than anyone I know. She's not an honest person in her heart....she'll fit right in
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No offence, but are you actually capable of coming on here, joining a discussion (regardless of your views), without being offensive/throwing insults about?
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No, just a shotgun certificate, I don't collect them, its just a family airlume of sorts, that costs me money every year.