b road blaster

as you say rules is rules he knows just how far too push them tho
its more a case of haveing to save the mutt from the kids round here they cuddle him to death he just rolls over for a tummy rub the soppy bugger

Snazy

Naaaa thats not possible!
How can kids be cuddling what is clearly a wolf!

b road blaster

mutant wolf at that he deff got the temperment of a mal whould go off home with anybody no loyalty whatsoever as long as they made a fuss of him

Spoon

When individuals think that training and boundaries are disciplines performed over 1 weekend then things won't get any better. Also when you read on here from people believing their 'set-up' to not be a potential accident waiting to happen things will also remain the same. Standards and opinions will always differ and that is the biggest problem of them all.

I would never have 3 dogs with children living next door to an undesirable family with children no matter how I thought I was doing right. I would also never have a dog that so much as turned it's lip up to me if I moved it's food, let alone growl. That dog is actually shouting it's trouble and being ignored. Listening to people saying how they've had this and done that with their dog for years and can't even spell the bloódy breed name correctly conjures up an image of that 'type' of person who shouldn't be owning a dog in the first place if they haven't bothered to notice the correct breed name.

Bloodlines are more important than breeds per se. I have many people come to me with the same breed of dog that differ immensely. I have 2 myself that couldn't be more different but then they were chosen for 2 completely separate reasons. Nobody, other than someone knowledgable with proper training has guessed which is the PP dog on meeting them both. That speaks volumes about the uneducated dog 'commentator'.

I could go on and on but quite frankly it is pointless trying to educate people that think they know better or are hell bent of not listening and instead spouting utter drivel.

All dogs are a danger to differing degrees but outlawing big powerful dogs simply because the low end of the gene pool are constantly bringing them to the attention of the uneducated through absolute tragic, but avoidable acts, is not right. Those of us who own highly trained K-9s and keep ourselves to ourselves become enemy number 1 in society. Actually, make that number 2 after motorists.

Snazy

The trigger words for Tuvaaq are beautiful and gorgeous. If he hears those, he turns into a bumbling idiot.
Would happily go with anyone too. So would Aana.

chris1scouser

So you are saying i should move, from my bought and paid for house?

Spoon

I'm saying I wouldn't entertain your situation, bought for rented or found. What you do is up to you of course as the law stands.

chris1scouser

i'm staying dogs and all. additionally you are not me, so keep your nose out of what isn't your concern.

Spoon

Be my guest. As I originally said, opinions on right or wrong will always differ.

I believe it is my concern as it would be of others. However, that is all it can be, a concern, when you talk like you do.

Quasi Modo

Euthanasia is the answer, no scummy owners, no problem anymore.
btw, dogs are not responsible for what scum bring them up to be like. I have a 10 year old Pedigree Staffie and she would have probably given her little life to save a little child in such a situation, what do decent owners and dogs receive though? pidgeon holing with those seen on the telly/papers. The vast majority of decent people out there judge her by her own actions not the images given to them by others, many of which wouldn't know a Pit Bull if they saw one. As a Staffy owner i loathe these people more than anyone believe it or not.

chris1scouser

believe me it isn't your concern no laws have been broken. My dogs are KC reg SBT not pitbull variants.

graeme jones

strange one really as i love all dogs including pitbulls but they are on the list for a reason as they need an experienced handler and have aggressive tendancies towards other dogs ,again if not trained and socialised properly i dont think in this country people seem to get the power that some breeds have in them.The american pitbull will never be reinstated in this country the new one is the american bulldog that the chavs seem to be going for bigger stronger tougher looking.
It will be interesting in 10 years whether the list will be longer in which dogs will be banned. whether breeding of certain breeds will be limited some what or licenses needed? or whether nothing will change at all.
Sounds daft but a 17yr old getting into a 400bhp scooby is a danger on the road, but an inexperienced dog owner having a rotty, mastiff type, or even staffy is just as dangerous if not more. you have to learn to be the pack leader even if the pack is you + dog.
I have two boxers one lively 3.5yr old male with high prey drive(chase cats, birds,squirrels) and a quiet fearful female who we rescued. Leaving any dog with a child is a mistake no matter how you feel about the dogs training. often dogs with dominate kids as they are smaller and they try there luck and because kids dont understand the signs they get hurt.

Quasi Modo

I agree, but there needs to be control over the children as well, rules, boundaries and limitations as they say for all, not just some. Holly likes to kiss their little feet when out and their faces grin from ear to ear, my neighbour calls her Mrs Waggytail. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!

Spoon

No, believe me it is my concern. Your dogs being KC registered has nothing whatsoever to do with it. The dogs aren't in question, the set-up is, from my perspective.

The Rig

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i expect the list will grow, i struggle to get my American Bulldog insured,so stick with the company that currently does,but thats more down to natural illness than being a danger,but for how long,they are being targetted more and more as a dangerous dog

The Rig

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i mean,they are soft as ****e really

Bubba po

So, how come this thread about a four-year-old kid having his face ripped off by an illegal pit-bull terrier has metamorphosed into a mutual dick-sucking "look at my beautiful dog that isn't dangerous at all" thread? The mind literally boggles. Whatever boggling might be.

BOB.T

LOL at the dog selector!

I put in 'low grooming' and it's come back with an old English sheepdog!! It's also come back with a jack russel, and a newfoundland and just about anything in between, including a Staffy, which is nice cos I already have one!

So Martin, for about the fifth time, what experience of Staffs and Rotties do you have? Or are you just trolling?

Terminator X

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Why on earth do you think the kid was a bad un

TX.

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

Point well made ... it's a small risk if you own a dog & have small kids which can be minimized by not leaving kids alone with the dog(s). Accidents do happen although not very often by looks of your post.

TX.

Lisawrx

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Did you actually read my post??

I wasn't commenting on the child this happened to, but making a general comment about how anything, dog or child has the potential to turn out bad, if raised incorrectly.

I was merely making the point, that children or dogs don't start off life bad (generally) and it has more to do with upbringing. This isn't for a second saying anything about the child here, I already said nothing should be taken away from the fact a child was killed, so it's not like I don't feel sympathy.

People are trying to make out certain dogs are 'bad' or dangerous, all I was saying is the potential is there for anything to turn that way without the right 'training' so to speak.

gallois

poor kid, they should have shot more than the dog at that address imo, as for the inevitable staffyphobia that follows these thankfully rare events, you just have to respect peoples ignorance.

Devildog

Threads evolve Geoff. You of all "people" should know that

You could of course have asked the question:

"How come this thread about a 4 year old kid who died from head and kneck injuries (lets not embellish the facts now) received from an illegal pit bull terrier metamorphosised into a lets all have a go at responsible owners of responsibly trained dogs, rather than questioning why the **** his parents left him in a house inhabited by a 63 year old woman, said illegal and clearly not responsibly bred or owned dog, and its gung ho 21 year old chav scum wannabe soldier owner???"

Which is, I suspect, a more relevant point?

pikeywrx

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Iv had a quick scan through new posts,

Does it mean that because i have 3 dogs and kids in the same house im a bad parent / dog owner?

Even tho all 3 kids have respect for the dogs they know they arent allowed to hurt them in any way or play rough will them.
There are baby gates seperating the dogs from the rest off the house.

I put it too you that by my 3 kids being bought up with dogs understanding and respecting them they will not be scared off them and understanding the fact you cant just do what you want to them.

To be honust if the above makes me a bad person then i am.

Leslie

I have to say I am a bit surprised about all the discussion about owning different breeds of dogs and the inferences about some of them.

We are all entitled to own whatever dog we want to as long as it is not one of the banned breeds.

I would expect that the behaviour of the dog is largely down to the way the owner brings it up, bit like bringing up children really, or not bothering as we see so often now.

All animals have their inborn instinct and they could revert to that at any time. I don't think that should necessarily preclude people from owning dogs but the real point is that they are responsible for the behaviour of the dog and the protection of others from any possible departure from its normal good nature. It is down to the owner to control the animal and not to allow it to be left in a dangerous situation as was the case with this poor little boy.

Les

EddScott

This is true but its similar to someone in the US saying "I'm entitled to own a gun" - both are still dangerous.

Without being rude, I couldn't give a monkeys whether someone thinks its perfectly acceptable to own a dog because they've trained it to behave in a certain manner.

When I was little a Golden Retriever jumped on me, dragged me to the ground and was on top of me. Granted it was probably only playing but to a 4 or 5 year old how frightened do you think I was? And thats hardly classed as a dangerous dog now is it.

Personally, all dogs should be on a leash and muzzled and all dog owners should be checked for proper kennels in the garden and checked that for reasons why they have the dog and whether they have the good sense to control it.

Also, irrespective of breed, if any dog comes near my daughter and I decide its behaving in a threatening manner, its my right to defend her.

pikeywrx

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I do agree that people with dogs should have a license to own one this would stop alot off "puppy farms" and a lot off people owning dogs as a phase it would cut down on stray dogs etc. and to be fair leslie i agree with all your saying.

Edd the labrador was probaly playing but as you said for a animal that was probably bigger than you to pin you would have scared you. Im the same with hieghts from falling off a wall when i was a kid.

And even tho you do have rights to protect your daughter im also the same with my kids BUT you probably dont know the difference between a dog playing and being aggressive.

For instance if a child approached my dogs in a field (they do all the time) and a father so much as raised a hand at any off my dogs id protect them in exactly the same way as my kids.

EddScott

Of course you would because your defending your own. I certainly wouldn't begrudge you that. But then I'd rather a punch in the face from the owner of the dog then watch a doctor stitch whats left of my daughters face back on. Alarmist maybe but clearly common sense.

I would point out that although my daughter is very wary of dogs, I've never once felt threatened when one comes up to her. I can tell an inqusitive dog against an angry dog, I tell her its just saying "hello" and don't be frightened. Thats not to say I do still feel they should be at least on a leash in public areas.

pikeywrx

iTrader: (5)

Cant fault you mate for you to be abit wary off dogs but not influence your daughters opinun is top class parenting. wish r lass was like it i have 3 kid that are petrified off spiders!! lol

My dogs are on leads unless in a field i dont walk them with out. the main reason being they have absoultly no road sense and would course an accident.

Snazy

Totally agree. Mine stay on leads unless in an enclosed area that I know what is in, and can control.
Still does not stop masses of people crossing the road to get away from them when im walking them

Amazing the number of people who appear terrified of them, that will choose to walk down the INSIDE of them. I walk them close to walls and hedges... Suprised at the number of people that will then move right in to the wall, keep walking towards me, forcing me around them (dog their side) then cower as we pass.

I guess what I mean is, while there are some bad owners out there, there are some pretty damn dumb members of the public with fear of dogs and no common sense. Cant be responsible for EVERYTHING can you?