hodgy0_2

well done mate --- seriously the best thing you will ever do (cars excepted of course)

hope it all goes well

tkws5606

dazdavies i would not mess with your rottie he has massive bolloc#s.

lol only kidding

pikeywrx

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Daz rottie is mint mate, good markings and a lovley coat. mines almost the same but r lass had him the snip and has just filled out since and he has darker markings.

Quasi Modo

Lovely, just as they should be. The worst dog i've seen was a ginger Cocker Spaniel, but they sometimes suffer from RAGE SYNDROME. Most like though just a p1ss poor owner spoiling them in some ways and neglecting them in others. As for adding German Shepherds etc to the Dangerous Dogs list, you'll have to explain why to the Police, the Guide Dogs for the Blind, Mountain Rescue etc etc etc beforehand. Not to mention the people who have been saved from being raped, killed etc while on walks in parks etc.
The long and the short of it is - in the right hands dogs and children make a fantastic friendship for life, in the wrong hands, they can both be disasterous.

dazdavies

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Careful Martin, he's that nasty even his picture will bite you !!

Hysteria1983

Wow, I tried to look at this 2 days ago but sn was playing up!

Anyway, this is a truly saddening story and there has been a heck of a lot of input here, so I will simply add mine.

As a baby and child myself and my siblings were brought up always having cats and dogs around us. I would have never for one second felt threatened by a dog. BUT I feel that was down to the fact that our animals were well loved, cared for and respected. However, they knew their place on the food chain and knew who was the provider.

Since having a family myself and wondering weather to have a dog or not, I put myself in a situation where I offered to look after my sister in laws 4 years old Staffordshire bull terrier. At the time we first looked after her my daughter was about 14 months old.

I was a little apprehensive about my offer at first. Even though I knew that the dog was very well trained I knew that just one poke in the eye could miff her off.

Needless to say several years on, minnie has had many a vacation at our house and has had a fair few pokes and prods. She has been sat on, shoved, dressed up, and had cars raced up and down her back.
All that time she has done nother more than pass wind in the direction of my children.

I am happy in the knowledge that regardless of the breed, the upbringing of the dog DOES play a major part in how the dog will behave.

Give the dog an inch and it will take a mile. Show him who's the boss, and it will always know it's place.

Being a good owner is part of having a good dog.

chocolate_o_brian

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Bit like most of NSR to be honest

Adrian F

I was out in a park in Enfield a few weekends ago and meet a male Rottie with a full Tail and its owner was a 29 year old Blonde who teaches at a university, her dog was playing with her friends dog and my 2 retrievers and any body elses dog that passed by.

As to licences for dog owners that would be a waste of time as the people who cant be bothered to exercise and train their dogs wont bother with a licence.

During the period 1999 to 2004, there were an average of 2.3 fatalities a year due to being bitten or ‘struck’ by a dog – compared with 63 people who died from suffocation due to a plastic bag in 1999! Trees kill on average 6 to 8 people a year!

In fact you would probably find that cows kill more people each year maybe they should be banned.

In 2004, there were no recorded fatalities caused by dogs in England and Wales

interesting links about the 'Dominance' word with regards to dogs and their training

http://www.avsabonline.org/avsabonli...0statement.pdf

Experts Say Dominance-Based Dog Training Techniques Made Popular by Television Can Contribute to Dog Bites : AskDrYin.com

TV dog behaviour programmes 'useless and dangerous' - Telegraph


Reconsidering the Dominance Model in Dog Training


http://www.wolf.org/wolves/news/iwma.../alphawolf.pdf

To the protective parents who want to kick a dog that goes to sniff their child just think the dog could learn a lesson from that!

To growl at or bite children that go near to scare them away before somebody kicks you because the child is to close, it may not be your kid that gets bitten but it would be your fault you taught the dog that lesson.

gallois

you assume that any dog that approaches you is going to attack? FFS get a grip?, dog attacks are very very rare given the amount of dogs in this country, as has already been pointed out you are more at risk from a paedo, which are usually overweight older men, do you go round kicking santa's, if it's an irrational fear you have of dogs, then the last thing you want to be doing is trying to kick them when your son is with you, a docile dog could easily turn and bite you or your son. an aggressive dog will likely attack if you kick it, a kick will only stop a small dog. if you want to protect your son, then educate him not to kick out at dogs, not to panic if a dog approaches, there are lots of books and even articles on the internet about how to read and understand dogs there is an obvious difference between an aggressive dog and a playful placid dog in the way they approach, if you are being annoyed by a playful dog, then it's the owner you need to speak to, being cruel to the animal is not on, it teaches your son the wrong way to be too. it's pointless saying or thinking they shouldn't be there, they are there and always will be..........from a personal point of view, i only let my dog off the lead when there are no people or dogs around, if my missus has her with the kids, then they do not let her off the lead, as i realise some people are afraid of dogs, but i would happily hospitalise anyone i found trying to deliberately hurt her.

ScoobyWon't

I stopped someone from being raped, earlier this year. I roused her from unconsciousness and put a blanket over her, got the ambulance etc, after giving chase to the rapist. Cornered him. Job done.

I didn't bite. The police dog didn't bite him either. He just tracked.

Then the dog got in the air-conditioned car and I spent 4 hours standing in the rain getting rather wet.

dazdavies

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If someone kicks my Dog it's not the dogs reaction they'll have to worry about LOL

New_scooby_04

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Most of these incidents happen when someone who thinks it's clever to on a powerful dog and not train them leaves them unsupervised with a child.

Any responsible dog owner will tell you:

Dogs should NEVER be left alone with children, regardless of how docile they usually are.

We currently have a bull mastiff and a more gentle, loving animal you'd struggle to find. BUT when the nieces and nephews are around, they are supervised in her company at ALL times. If this is not possible she is put in a separate room. It's just good sense.

Leslie

It is understandable that some people are frightened of dogs. They probably just are not used to animals in any way. We often see people here who are terrified of the idea of crossing a local field with a right of way when it has got sheep in it.

I find that if you allow a dog to sniff the back of your hand so that you are not appearing to make an attacking move towards it, in most cases the dog will be perfectly friendly. You get a sixth sense to tell you that he might not be that way inclined though.

Les

Snazy

A lot of the time the tell tale signs are in the way the dog approaches, but you cant teach that to a 2 year old, who just sees a hairy walking climbing frame.

People have the right to be afraid of dogs, if anything its just an OTT respect for the power and capability of the dog. So its not stupid, its over thinking an intelligent thought.

People also have the right not to want to interact with dogs, for whatever reason they choose. Dog owners should not "impose" their dogs on other people who do not want them near them.

I have had some good and bad experiences with dogs, other peoples and my own in the past. And still dont think that they are 100% obedient. But I give them the respect they deserve, and vice versa.

This particular case appears to be caused by the stupidity and maybe greed of the people in the house, the childs parents. Which is a tragic event. A child and a dog died because the reponsible adults were incapable of making the right decisions.
Its not the breed, it was the greed (breeding them in the house and leaving with a small child)

Devildog

Martin, I'm still waiting for you to answer the question

Devildog

Dave,

You crack me up.

Define "puting animals before people"

Do you, for example, mean that your emotions should be put before the welfare of someone's dog?

Or are you inferring that anyone posting on this thread thinks its ok for dogs to kill children?

I'd think very carefully before posting so as not to make yourself look particularly stupid.

Terminator X

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No ones saying they'll just wander up to a dog & kick it! The situation is a dog is hassling or frightening a child isn't it? As a parent it seems to be a no brainer ... protect said child by whatever means neccesary which could eventually end up as a although seems unlikely considering rarity of dog attacks &/or worse.

TX.

r32

I love animals, particularly dogs, but I am frightened at least once a week by an aggressive dog. I off road cycle several times a week (now that I'm retired). I just love being out on my mountain bike. Living almost in the centre of the new National Forest there are many reasonable all weather trails. Now when I pedal along I am faced with a snalrling barking dog with its hair up on the back of its neck is it not surprising I am a little concerned? My son who is a keen mountain biker has been bitten twice.

Where a dog looks a bit unsure I stop allow it to come and sniff my hand, have a stroke and chat with the owner, I have met many really nice pets and owners in my travels. BUT at least once a week a dog launches an attack. Its off the bike, hold bike between me and the beast and hope owner turns up to recover snarling monster before it attacks.

There are so many bad owners out there, but what I see more and more are people with two, three or more dogs, who want to work as a pack, they are very clever, one goes to the front and the other one or two try to creep round the back. Now the handlers may think or know that their hound or hounds of the Baskervilles wouldnt hurt a fly, but sorry I dont know the dog or dogs. People should be more aware of the fright and sometimes abject terror that their lovely pets can produce.

Just one other thing, go to the RSPCA web site look at your local one, look at dogs for rehoming and see how many are one particular breed. 15 out of 17 dogs at our local kennels are one type.

Spoon

Hear what you say about a potentially aggressive dog coming up to your son but allowing your son to have a fear of dogs at 5 and not a healthy respect must have come from somewhere. I know plenty of adults that feared dogs and now don't because they were determined to get over it for the sake of their children by coming to either me or trainers I know and 'hanging out' over periods of time.

Oh and if you're going to stick the boot in, make sure you choose the right dog or you might look really daft. If you could get within 3 feet of mine in an aggressive manner you're going down. Then if you change your mind and run away you'll lose that too. Obviously the latter wouldn't be the case as I'd comply with the law an assume you're fleeing and not attacking.

EddScott

You can't force a child to like dogs

Also, your 2nd comment. So your saying that if someone approaches your dog then its going to attack them - what if that someone is attempting to defend a child because of the actions of your dog. So not only is there the potential issue of a parent feeling threatened by your dog theres the added risk that the parent will then be injured by your dog.

Not very clever to show off about that is it?

Snazy

To be fair he said
Not, if you come near it, it will kill you.

I too think people should try and overcome fears of everyday life things. Spiders, open spaces, dogs, crowds etc. Its not healthy to live a life in fear. Granted dogs can pose a physical threat, and the handler can control a situation, but personally I would rather feel at ease. At least enough to make a calm decision if the dog it a threat.

Spoon

Nobody mentioned forcing a child.

I also never mentioned if someone approached my dog per se then he'd attack them. If you don't have the basic intelligence to read a clear post correctly then I shan't be wasting my time trying to make up for that.

It also isn't showing off. The dog is a trained PP dog and works off command, or in situations where I might not be able to command him, he'll prevent any harm to me or my property off his own back. In ordinary situations he is calm and placid.

Do some research about properly trained dogs. If you've read any of my posts before you'll have seen I'm as far opposed to unnecessary risks as you are, only I use facts and not emotion on basing my opinions.

EddScott

You said allowing a child to be fearful of dogs - as in how can you force a child not to be fearful. A perfectly reasonable reply.

Your words were basically showing off that if anyone approaches your dog, they will come off worse. Its that attitude that is causing the animosity between those with and without dogs.

I've read many of your posts before and I must say I'm unimpressed. I would draw your attention to the Ignore option if your unhappy with my comments/opinion

fivetide

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I made a very similar point a while back in the thread. In the last 3 years dogs have accounted for 5 or 6 fatalities in the same period around 100 children a year are killed by their parents. There has to be a sense of scale here. A blanket ban would be wrong.

BBC News - Boy 'smothered' before house fire, inquest told

5t.

Martin2005

Maybe you could let me know what a damn question is, then I might be able to answer it for you...or am I just being controversial again?

Snazy

Everyone knows that media hype counts for multiplying statistics by atleast a factor of 1,000,000:1
Rediculous if you ask me. Sadly the discussion that then follows the story does not help either.

How many plane crashes were there this year, and how many died?
How many fatal sky dives were there last year, bungie jumps, skiing accident, fatal car accidents..... and so on.
Ban all the above?

Unfortunatly due to a small group in society using dogs as trophies, and strutting about with what they consider the next best thing to guns. Breeding them, goading them to fight and so on, every sensible dog owner out there gets told they are foolish, their animals dangerous etc.
What about horses? Same thing surely. A pet, plays no role in socity other than the working ones (same as dogs) but cause death and injury annually. Ban horses!

Snazy

I believe it was " how many of said breed have you owned"

Spoon

A perfectly reasonable reply for someone who wishes to detract from their own failings and embarrassment maybe. Do you feel bad you never socialised your children well enough? Don't be, start now, you'll feel better and probably less angry that you choose to punch a photocopier like a teenager having a tantrum. Would I have to slap you if you come near my children with that irrational anger?

Again, your uneducated assumption where you say it is showing off. It merely states a fact and tries to explain the difference between a proper dog and the mutts that always appear in these tragic stories. Not many people can separate the 2 and you clearly show you are 1 of those.

It is also clear you haven't read any of my posts on where I stand in relation to dogs.

As for ignoring you well, I leave that to the over emotional. I answered your diabolically worded post, nothing more. I will continue to do so while you spout utter cráp too.