Oh no, not again - dog attacks and kills child
03 December 2009, 03:49 PM
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03 December 2009, 03:52 PM
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This thread is getting annoying now.
Yes you can stop your kids being scared off dogs you encourage them slowly to get used to them. your kids are more then likely picking up on your fears. Im only saying this as before i got with the misses her kids were scared off everything, now there not.
Yes if some one tried to hurt my dog they would come off worse as they would have me to deal with.
But this is because you are assuming that if some one was walking there dog and it attacked a child the owner is going to stand and defend there dog.
If my dogs went for a child do you think you would have a chance to boot my dog before id killed it?? my dogs are the most calming loyal trusting things i know but a childs life is un questionably more important,
Ask any owner and they will probably say the same.
I know through training discipline and attention my dogs wont hurt any one.
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I used to foster rotties that hadn a home before they came to some oe like you?????
Then they went into the prison service.
Iv seen them rip a dummy to shreads then on one command go back to being a happy docile dog its amazing how they do that.
Yes you can stop your kids being scared off dogs you encourage them slowly to get used to them. your kids are more then likely picking up on your fears. Im only saying this as before i got with the misses her kids were scared off everything, now there not.
Yes if some one tried to hurt my dog they would come off worse as they would have me to deal with.
But this is because you are assuming that if some one was walking there dog and it attacked a child the owner is going to stand and defend there dog.
If my dogs went for a child do you think you would have a chance to boot my dog before id killed it?? my dogs are the most calming loyal trusting things i know but a childs life is un questionably more important,
Ask any owner and they will probably say the same.
I know through training discipline and attention my dogs wont hurt any one.
Spoon
I used to foster rotties that hadn a home before they came to some oe like you?????
Then they went into the prison service.
Iv seen them rip a dummy to shreads then on one command go back to being a happy docile dog its amazing how they do that.
03 December 2009, 03:53 PM
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Well none obviously....
Was that the question, if so why the hell ask it?
The only dog I ever owned (well my parents did) was a Springer this would of been 20 years ago though, he was an amzing animal and it broke a my heart when he died.
I do remember a massive ball of fur and teeth tearing a big hole in his side one day when out for a walk!!!!
Was that the question, if so why the hell ask it?
The only dog I ever owned (well my parents did) was a Springer this would of been 20 years ago though, he was an amzing animal and it broke a my heart when he died.
I do remember a massive ball of fur and teeth tearing a big hole in his side one day when out for a walk!!!!
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Technically no different to feeling vunerable and smacking you in the mouth before you hit me.
It does NOT say, if you enter my personal space without invitiation for ANY purpose my dog will savage your face off.
I think its THAT attitude also that causes animosity between owners and non owners. If people take things at face value and dont interpret things to suit their beliefs, there would be less misunderstanding.
03 December 2009, 03:58 PM
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Well none obviously....
Was that the question, if so why the hell ask it?
The only dog I ever owned (well my parents did) was a Springer this would of been 20 years ago though, he was an amzing animal and it broke a my heart when he died.
I do remember a massive ball of fur and teeth tearing a big hole in his side one day when out for a walk!!!!
Was that the question, if so why the hell ask it?
The only dog I ever owned (well my parents did) was a Springer this would of been 20 years ago though, he was an amzing animal and it broke a my heart when he died.
I do remember a massive ball of fur and teeth tearing a big hole in his side one day when out for a walk!!!!
I once saw a rotty pup set upon by 2 labs in the park, it was messy and very bloody. So that should make me believe the complete opposite to you.
Dogs do bite other dogs, fight etc, fact. However responsible owners would prevent 99.999% of these occurances by sensible training, responsible ownership, and proper handling.
Not saying you are not entitled to an opinion, but just to be clear.... Dogs are a species of animal, its all or nothing. You can't choose specific breeds and say safe, safe, safe, savage, safe..savage..
03 December 2009, 04:02 PM
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See now I read it to mean, if you come at me, act in a threatening way, or are going to cause me harm, my dog will harm you first.
Technically no different to feeling vunerable and smacking you in the mouth before you hit me.
It does NOT say, if you enter my personal space without invitiation for ANY purpose my dog will savage your face off.
I think its THAT attitude also that causes animosity between owners and non owners. If people take things at face value and dont interpret things to suit their beliefs, there would be less misunderstanding.
Technically no different to feeling vunerable and smacking you in the mouth before you hit me.
It does NOT say, if you enter my personal space without invitiation for ANY purpose my dog will savage your face off.
I think its THAT attitude also that causes animosity between owners and non owners. If people take things at face value and dont interpret things to suit their beliefs, there would be less misunderstanding.
That is the point I made for spoon to answer (the implication that approaching his dog would result in harm to the individual) but he just resorted to poor insults in a sad attempt to get a rise out me.
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03 December 2009, 04:04 PM
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No ones saying they'll just wander up to a dog & kick it! The situation is a dog is hassling or frightening a child isn't it? As a parent it seems to be a no brainer ... protect said child by whatever means neccesary which could eventually end up as a 
although seems unlikely considering rarity of dog attacks &/or worse.
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although seems unlikely considering rarity of dog attacks &/or worse.TX.
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I think the question was asked to gauge how much experience you actually have of the breeds, so it could be seen if it was experience or rumour and assumption that drove your opinion.
I once saw a rotty pup set upon by 2 labs in the park, it was messy and very bloody. So that should make me believe the complete opposite to you.
Dogs do bite other dogs, fight etc, fact. However responsible owners would prevent 99.999% of these occurances by sensible training, responsible ownership, and proper handling.
Not saying you are not entitled to an opinion, but just to be clear.... Dogs are a species of animal, its all or nothing. You can't choose specific breeds and say safe, safe, safe, savage, safe..savage..
I once saw a rotty pup set upon by 2 labs in the park, it was messy and very bloody. So that should make me believe the complete opposite to you.
Dogs do bite other dogs, fight etc, fact. However responsible owners would prevent 99.999% of these occurances by sensible training, responsible ownership, and proper handling.
Not saying you are not entitled to an opinion, but just to be clear.... Dogs are a species of animal, its all or nothing. You can't choose specific breeds and say safe, safe, safe, savage, safe..savage..
Incidentally I've said at least twice on this thread that I don't doubt most owners are responsible. I just don't think that getting one in the first place is responsible. Kind of like what I feel about guns I guess. Oh BTW I also haven't said anything about banning.
We'll never agree on this, but I'm sure we are both more than comfortable with our own individual choices
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You've missed the point I made about approaching a dog that is threatening you and your family and being harmed by that dog.
That is the point I made for spoon to answer (the implication that approaching his dog would result in harm to the individual) but he just resorted to poor insults in a sad attempt to get a rise out me.
That is the point I made for spoon to answer (the implication that approaching his dog would result in harm to the individual) but he just resorted to poor insults in a sad attempt to get a rise out me.
No person/dog should be approached or threatened by a dog/person, and should the situation arise, the person/dog would be in their rights to defend themself.
In short, neither has the right to approach the other with intent to cause harm. And should expect retaliation if they do.
Im sure you would not kick a dog in the nuts just for passing within a few feet of you or your family. And I would not expect any owner to allow or encourage their dog to attack your family, just for approaching them.
The insults are beyond my control lol
Key word.... "intent"
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You seem to think that there is some sort of "grading" in dog. And its this that is causing all the confusion.
Dogs are animals. They have instincts, and abilities. You can teach a lab to be a killer, you can teach a teacup yorkie to bite on sight and so on.
There is NO "safe" breed, and NO "unsafe" breed.
There ARE,.... poor bloodlines, bad breeders, thick owners, and egotistical arseholes who own dogs for trophies.
You say
This hasn't been a discussion about what is safe and what is savage
Given the hundreds of breeds of dogs out there, what is it about PitBulls, Staffys, Rotts etc, that makes people want to get one?
Why would you want a Staff or Rottie? what's the logic, I honestly don't get it?
No one has yet answered my question, how do you end up with a Rottie, Staff, etc if you are choosing a dog, and what’s wrong with Spaniels and Labradors etc.
03 December 2009, 04:24 PM
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See thats my whole point, that you have again missed.
You seem to think that there is some sort of "grading" in dog. And its this that is causing all the confusion.
Dogs are animals. They have instincts, and abilities. You can teach a lab to be a killer, you can teach a teacup yorkie to bite on sight and so on.
There is NO "safe" breed, and NO "unsafe" breed.
There ARE,.... poor bloodlines, bad breeders, thick owners, and egotistical arseholes who own dogs for trophies.
You say
But have already said
and
and
So while you say its not about whats safe/savage, you have already made that assumption, and decided that Rotties and Staffs are savage, and Spaniels and Labs are safe. Contradiction?
You seem to think that there is some sort of "grading" in dog. And its this that is causing all the confusion.
Dogs are animals. They have instincts, and abilities. You can teach a lab to be a killer, you can teach a teacup yorkie to bite on sight and so on.
There is NO "safe" breed, and NO "unsafe" breed.
There ARE,.... poor bloodlines, bad breeders, thick owners, and egotistical arseholes who own dogs for trophies.
You say
But have already said
and
and
So while you say its not about whats safe/savage, you have already made that assumption, and decided that Rotties and Staffs are savage, and Spaniels and Labs are safe. Contradiction?
I think it's you who have spectacularly missed the point, so let's put it this way, if you were being attacked by a dog, which breed would you prefer it to be a Cocker Spaniel or a Rottie?
03 December 2009, 04:32 PM
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Hutton, like I said to you in other posts, is pointing out that you can't just flick a switch and a child will no longer fear dogs. I have no fear of dogs but my daughter does and I also pointed out to you that I do everything to show her that in the main, dogs are not to be feared. I thought we at least agree on that point.
As it looks like I'm in the minority here, I'll leave it there.
03 December 2009, 04:32 PM
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He gets taught lots of things. As dogs aren't a great part of our lives then he doesn't get to see them much.
Let me sum things up, as tx tried to earlier.
I'm out with my son - and I'll assume the owner is with the dog.
a) dog is nearby paying us no mind. We do likewise, though I'll keep a wary eye on it
b) dog comes up to us and is clearly inquisitive rather than threatening. I'll maybe, depending on the situation and whether my son is scared or not and whether the owner minds, let my son see the dog is friendly and see if he'll stroke it (and NOT poke it in the eye ....)
c) dog comes up in a threatening manner. I get between said dog and son. Maybe pick son up, but keep dog away. *Most* dogs that seem threatening are then actually scared of people if you make it clear you're not scared of them.
d) dog is threatening and won't go away. Then I'll react, owner or no owner. Whether it's a shout, boot, stick or rock that dog is getting nowhere near my son. And yes, you all have dogs that can kill humans with a single glance but if they got a good boot in the head I'm sure they'd think twice.
Clear enough for people? In the world that us non-dog owners live in that's the reaction we'd all have!
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Let me sum things up, as tx tried to earlier.
I'm out with my son - and I'll assume the owner is with the dog.
a) dog is nearby paying us no mind. We do likewise, though I'll keep a wary eye on it
b) dog comes up to us and is clearly inquisitive rather than threatening. I'll maybe, depending on the situation and whether my son is scared or not and whether the owner minds, let my son see the dog is friendly and see if he'll stroke it (and NOT poke it in the eye ....)
c) dog comes up in a threatening manner. I get between said dog and son. Maybe pick son up, but keep dog away. *Most* dogs that seem threatening are then actually scared of people if you make it clear you're not scared of them.
d) dog is threatening and won't go away. Then I'll react, owner or no owner. Whether it's a shout, boot, stick or rock that dog is getting nowhere near my son. And yes, you all have dogs that can kill humans with a single glance but if they got a good boot in the head I'm sure they'd think twice.
Clear enough for people? In the world that us non-dog owners live in that's the reaction we'd all have!
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Let me sum things up, as tx tried to earlier.
I'm out with my son - and I'll assume the owner is with the dog.
a) dog is nearby paying us no mind. We do likewise, though I'll keep a wary eye on it
b) dog comes up to us and is clearly inquisitive rather than threatening. I'll maybe, depending on the situation and whether my son is scared or not and whether the owner minds, let my son see the dog is friendly and see if he'll stroke it (and NOT poke it in the eye ....)
c) dog comes up in a threatening manner. I get between said dog and son. Maybe pick son up, but keep dog away. *Most* dogs that seem threatening are then actually scared of people if you make it clear you're not scared of them.
d) dog is threatening and won't go away. Then I'll react, owner or no owner. Whether it's a shout, boot, stick or rock that dog is getting nowhere near my son. And yes, you all have dogs that can kill humans with a single glance but if they got a good boot in the head I'm sure they'd think twice.
Clear enough for people? In the world that us non-dog owners live in that's the reaction we'd all have!
Dave
I'm out with my son - and I'll assume the owner is with the dog.
a) dog is nearby paying us no mind. We do likewise, though I'll keep a wary eye on it
b) dog comes up to us and is clearly inquisitive rather than threatening. I'll maybe, depending on the situation and whether my son is scared or not and whether the owner minds, let my son see the dog is friendly and see if he'll stroke it (and NOT poke it in the eye ....)
c) dog comes up in a threatening manner. I get between said dog and son. Maybe pick son up, but keep dog away. *Most* dogs that seem threatening are then actually scared of people if you make it clear you're not scared of them.
d) dog is threatening and won't go away. Then I'll react, owner or no owner. Whether it's a shout, boot, stick or rock that dog is getting nowhere near my son. And yes, you all have dogs that can kill humans with a single glance but if they got a good boot in the head I'm sure they'd think twice.
Clear enough for people? In the world that us non-dog owners live in that's the reaction we'd all have!
Dave
03 December 2009, 04:41 PM
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That's a whole different argument - and you could just as easily substitute Labrador for Rottweiler. Or any dog of reasonable size and strength.
The point of the question, which you have spectacularly missed, is that as you have had no direct experience of Rotties or Staffies, you are therefore completely unqualified to pass comment on those breeds.
Asking the question:
Why would you want a Staff or Rottie? what's the logic, I honestly don't get it?
I just don't think that getting one in the first place is responsible.
Had you simply asked "What's the appeal" with genuine curiosity, rather than the incredulity with which your post was loaded that may have been a different story.
And, please, don't try and argue that you were simply curious. Your subsequent posts were of such a dismissive nature as to prove that clearly wasn't the case.
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03 December 2009, 04:52 PM
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Martin,
That's a whole different argument - and you could just as easily substitute Labrador for Rottweiler. Or any dog of reasonable size and strength.
The point of the question, which you have spectacularly missed, is that as you have had no direct experience of Rotties or Staffies, you are therefore completely unqualified to pass comment on those breeds.
Asking the question:
And statements like:
Has therefore lost you what remaining credibility you had on this topic, and anything else for that matter.
Had you simply asked "What's the appeal" with genuine curiosity, rather than the incredulity with which your post was loaded that may have been a different story.
And, please, don't try and argue that you were simply curious. Your subsequent posts were of such a dismissive nature as to prove that clearly wasn't the case.
That's a whole different argument - and you could just as easily substitute Labrador for Rottweiler. Or any dog of reasonable size and strength.
The point of the question, which you have spectacularly missed, is that as you have had no direct experience of Rotties or Staffies, you are therefore completely unqualified to pass comment on those breeds.
Asking the question:
And statements like:
Has therefore lost you what remaining credibility you had on this topic, and anything else for that matter.
Had you simply asked "What's the appeal" with genuine curiosity, rather than the incredulity with which your post was loaded that may have been a different story.
And, please, don't try and argue that you were simply curious. Your subsequent posts were of such a dismissive nature as to prove that clearly wasn't the case.
The reason I asked what would you rather be attacked by is because it goes to the very heart of the issue...
If a Cocker Spaniel has a bad day bites you then you are going to live, if a Pitbull or Rottie loses it then you are going to end up maimed or worse, that is just a fact.
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All that says to me is... "Buy a Lab or a Spaniel, any idiot can own one, and if they do bite, its not like they are gonna kill you"
A dog bite is a dog bit. Try telling someone who has been bitten in the face by any breed that "it was only a spaniel"
Strange that, my preference too!
Martin,
That's a whole different argument - and you could just as easily substitute Labrador for Rottweiler. Or any dog of reasonable size and strength.
The point of the question, which you have spectacularly missed, is that as you have had no direct experience of Rotties or Staffies, you are therefore completely unqualified to pass comment on those breeds.
That's a whole different argument - and you could just as easily substitute Labrador for Rottweiler. Or any dog of reasonable size and strength.
The point of the question, which you have spectacularly missed, is that as you have had no direct experience of Rotties or Staffies, you are therefore completely unqualified to pass comment on those breeds.
Watch out, savage wolf about!
03 December 2009, 04:59 PM
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The reason I asked what would you rather be attacked by is because it goes to the very heart of the issue...
If a Cocker Spaniel has a bad day bites you then you are going to live, if a Pitbull or Rottie loses it then you are going to end up maimed or worse, that is just a fact.
The human body has plenty of vunerable areas, to where a single bit could be fatal.
To say being bitten by one dog is better than another is just madness.
I was bitten as a kid by a collie cross as a kid, for being in a friends shared garden. Back of the leg, 4 puncture wounds and bled like a ****!
Should I be grateful?
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lol I have to say that is probably one of the most stupid comments on this thread yet.
All that says to me is... "Buy a Lab or a Spaniel, any idiot can own one, and if they do bite, its not like they are gonna kill you"
A dog bite is a dog bit. Try telling someone who has been bitten in the face by any breed that "it was only a spaniel"
Strange that, my preference too!
Watch out, savage wolf about!
All that says to me is... "Buy a Lab or a Spaniel, any idiot can own one, and if they do bite, its not like they are gonna kill you"
A dog bite is a dog bit. Try telling someone who has been bitten in the face by any breed that "it was only a spaniel"
Strange that, my preference too!
Watch out, savage wolf about!
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ALL dogs should be raised and handled with respect and care, and owned by sensible people. To assume a breed is "safe" to have, even for dumb or violent people is wrong.
Watch some animal control programs on tv, and you will see that ANY breed can be problematic. Yes you will see certain breeds more than others, but that is based on the idiot trophy/status dog owners. The sort that should own NO breed.
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