Oh no, not again - dog attacks and kills child
03 December 2009, 05:06 PM
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But thats not a fact, its an assumption. Based on media hype and poorly kept statistics.
The human body has plenty of vunerable areas, to where a single bit could be fatal.
To say being bitten by one dog is better than another is just madness.
I was bitten as a kid by a collie cross as a kid, for being in a friends shared garden. Back of the leg, 4 puncture wounds and bled like a ****!
Should I be grateful?
The human body has plenty of vunerable areas, to where a single bit could be fatal.
To say being bitten by one dog is better than another is just madness.
I was bitten as a kid by a collie cross as a kid, for being in a friends shared garden. Back of the leg, 4 puncture wounds and bled like a ****!
Should I be grateful?
You just refuse to face up to this don't you? You appear have even managed to convince yourself that all breeds dogs are equally dangerous and have the same potential.
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Some breeds have bigger mouthes, and some could inflict more harm than others, yes I totally agree.
However you seem to indicate that certain breeds WILL turn and bite, while others just would not do that. Or that a small bite is ok.
A bite is a bite, a lip turned up is NOT acceptable, let alone biting.
Im honestly not sure what the final point you make is. But it appears to be, "get a small to medium size dog, they dont hurt as much WHEN they bite you" Is that about the size of it?
ALL dogs have the potential to bite. How you raise them, and where they came from will determine if this is ever likely to become a reality.
Get shot by a .22 not an AK47..... they dont hurt quite as much!
Get run over by a Mini, not a Range Rover...." "
Get punched by Amir Khan not Tyson.... " "
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03 December 2009, 05:20 PM
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lol its not about facing up to anything.
Some breeds have bigger mouthes, and some could inflict more harm than others, yes I totally agree.
However you seem to indicate that certain breeds WILL turn and bite, while others just would not do that. Or that a small bite is ok.
A bite is a bite, a lip turned up is NOT acceptable, let alone biting.
Im honestly not sure what the final point you make is. But it appears to be, "get a small to medium size dog, they dont hurt as much WHEN they bite you" Is that about the size of it?
ALL dogs have the potential to bite. How you raise them, and where they came from will determine if this is ever likely to become a reality.
Get shot by a .22 not an AK47..... they dont hurt quite as much!
Some breeds have bigger mouthes, and some could inflict more harm than others, yes I totally agree.
However you seem to indicate that certain breeds WILL turn and bite, while others just would not do that. Or that a small bite is ok.
A bite is a bite, a lip turned up is NOT acceptable, let alone biting.
Im honestly not sure what the final point you make is. But it appears to be, "get a small to medium size dog, they dont hurt as much WHEN they bite you" Is that about the size of it?
ALL dogs have the potential to bite. How you raise them, and where they came from will determine if this is ever likely to become a reality.
Get shot by a .22 not an AK47..... they dont hurt quite as much!
Well I don't know about you but I'd rather be shot by the .22 than the AK, wouldn't you?
Here's a study from the US DOG BITE LAW - Statistics about dog bites in the USA and elsewhere
03 December 2009, 05:31 PM
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No I've never indicated certain breeds are more likely to attack, I have indicated that when certian breeds DO attack the damage is far worse.
Well I don't know about you but I'd rather be shot by the .22 than the AK, wouldn't you?
Here's a study from the US DOG BITE LAW - Statistics about dog bites in the USA and elsewhere
Well I don't know about you but I'd rather be shot by the .22 than the AK, wouldn't you?
Here's a study from the US DOG BITE LAW - Statistics about dog bites in the USA and elsewhere
Using your reasoning. Are you suggesting that a bite from a collie/lab etc would be better than a bite from a Staff ?
Based on what logic exactly?
St Bernard or GSD ? Do you have a preference?
Are you aware of the difference between a defensive "go away" bite, and one intended to cause harm, i.e a full on attack?
Would you rather be told to go away by a Rottie or be "attacked" by a Lab ?
Im trying to understand what you are saying, rather than just rejecting it.
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I have refrained from posting on this thread thus far but now will contribute my two penneth!
I have a Rottie. He's called Thunder, is as daft as a brush and as soft as muck. I bought Thunder because I had a Rottie as my first dog when I was seven and he (Deefer) was exactly the same. I fell in love with the breed and knew that it would be a perfect family dog. I researched reputable breeders and bought Thunder from a breeder who was KC registered and who happily allowed us to look at his set up.
Thunder is now 6 and a half. My stepdaughter is 11 and every night goes and lays on Thunder (always with us present) and has her snuggle. Thunder is never left on his own with anybody, not because I think he would do anything but because I do not think you can trust any dog 100%. It's also in part to protect him. His only fault is that he has no concept of his size and regularly stands on your feet when begging for a back scratch-12 stone of Rottie hurts!
He has regularly been attcked by other dogs whilst out walking-the worst being a Jack Russell. He has NEVER attempted to bite back. His response would be to run and hide behind my legs, shaking and whimpering at having been bit.
I am not a Chav or an irresponsible owner. I am a barrister practising in criminal law and regularly prosecute and defend dangerous dog cases. In August, I was burgled at 1am in the morning. The burglar came in through the kitchen window and climbed over Thunder. Thunder did not attack, but he did follow him into our living room and gave him some low growls. That alerted my husband and I and when we ran down to confront the burglar, Thunder knowing that he is not allowed in the living room at night, promptly ran back into the kitchen, knocking the door and shutting it as he went through. The burglar then beat me and was brought down by my husband and we kept him til police arrived. Thunder has really been affected and can not leave us alone, having to be with us wherever we are. Everybody's first comment?? Your dog is useless-why didn't he attack? Because he is a PET not a guard dog. But no, because he is a Rottie, everyone thought it was acceptable for him to attack - even though they said they wouldn't have expected their dogs to do that.
My colleague has a Jack Russell who bites if you ever try and take anything from him - this she feels is acceptable because "he's only little and won't do you any harm!". Still blooming hurts though!
Finally, when Issy (my stepdaughter) was 8 she went to her friends down the road to play. Her friends dad was in the garden, along with their springer spaniel, who had known Issy for as long as they had had him. As soon as Issy closed the gate and turned around, the dog started attacking her. Thank god she stayed on her feet. She suffered bite marks to her chest and penetrative bite marks to both arms. She didn't care that it was a springer spaniel that did it and not a Rottie. All she cared about was that it hurt and she thought she was going to die. Thunder was amazing with her. He knew she was wary and kept his distance until she was ready to deal with him. Now they are once again (and were to be fair two days after the incident when she was feeding him an ice lolly!) the best of friends. Do not make the mistake of thinking that a bite from a spaniel is less harmful than that of a Rottie, it isn't! Issy is permanently scarred from that.
As my grandma used to say, don't judge a book by it's cover!
I have a Rottie. He's called Thunder, is as daft as a brush and as soft as muck. I bought Thunder because I had a Rottie as my first dog when I was seven and he (Deefer) was exactly the same. I fell in love with the breed and knew that it would be a perfect family dog. I researched reputable breeders and bought Thunder from a breeder who was KC registered and who happily allowed us to look at his set up.
Thunder is now 6 and a half. My stepdaughter is 11 and every night goes and lays on Thunder (always with us present) and has her snuggle. Thunder is never left on his own with anybody, not because I think he would do anything but because I do not think you can trust any dog 100%. It's also in part to protect him. His only fault is that he has no concept of his size and regularly stands on your feet when begging for a back scratch-12 stone of Rottie hurts!
He has regularly been attcked by other dogs whilst out walking-the worst being a Jack Russell. He has NEVER attempted to bite back. His response would be to run and hide behind my legs, shaking and whimpering at having been bit.
I am not a Chav or an irresponsible owner. I am a barrister practising in criminal law and regularly prosecute and defend dangerous dog cases. In August, I was burgled at 1am in the morning. The burglar came in through the kitchen window and climbed over Thunder. Thunder did not attack, but he did follow him into our living room and gave him some low growls. That alerted my husband and I and when we ran down to confront the burglar, Thunder knowing that he is not allowed in the living room at night, promptly ran back into the kitchen, knocking the door and shutting it as he went through. The burglar then beat me and was brought down by my husband and we kept him til police arrived. Thunder has really been affected and can not leave us alone, having to be with us wherever we are. Everybody's first comment?? Your dog is useless-why didn't he attack? Because he is a PET not a guard dog. But no, because he is a Rottie, everyone thought it was acceptable for him to attack - even though they said they wouldn't have expected their dogs to do that.
My colleague has a Jack Russell who bites if you ever try and take anything from him - this she feels is acceptable because "he's only little and won't do you any harm!". Still blooming hurts though!
Finally, when Issy (my stepdaughter) was 8 she went to her friends down the road to play. Her friends dad was in the garden, along with their springer spaniel, who had known Issy for as long as they had had him. As soon as Issy closed the gate and turned around, the dog started attacking her. Thank god she stayed on her feet. She suffered bite marks to her chest and penetrative bite marks to both arms. She didn't care that it was a springer spaniel that did it and not a Rottie. All she cared about was that it hurt and she thought she was going to die. Thunder was amazing with her. He knew she was wary and kept his distance until she was ready to deal with him. Now they are once again (and were to be fair two days after the incident when she was feeding him an ice lolly!) the best of friends. Do not make the mistake of thinking that a bite from a spaniel is less harmful than that of a Rottie, it isn't! Issy is permanently scarred from that.
As my grandma used to say, don't judge a book by it's cover!
03 December 2009, 05:55 PM
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Apparently it is your problem, because I don't need to justify my decisions and I am comfortable in my ownership, but you seem to need to question both. The only "problem" i have as a Rottie owner is dealing with the attitude of people like you who follow media sensasionalism like sheep.
The reason I asked what would you rather be attacked by is because it goes to the very heart of the issue...
If a Cocker Spaniel has a bad day bites you then you are going to live, if a Pitbull or Rottie loses it then you are going to end up maimed or worse, that is just a fact.
By your thinking, would you then consider the likes of (for example) Labradors, St Bernards or Standard Poodles to be an irresponsible ownership proposition?
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03 December 2009, 06:04 PM
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Martin, do you drive, fly, use public transport, go to the pub on a saturday night or simply sit in a big ball of cotton wool all your life?
IMO you are very narrow minded....
p.s. I ask again, tell me why i shouldn't buy a Rottweiler if i so desire?
Out of curiousity how do you rate my English Mastiff?
IMO you are very narrow minded....
p.s. I ask again, tell me why i shouldn't buy a Rottweiler if i so desire?
Out of curiousity how do you rate my English Mastiff?
Man I don't need your endorsement on my views, the fact that you cannot control your primeval desire for a huge powerful pet with big teeth, is your problem not mine.
The reason I asked what would you rather be attacked by is because it goes to the very heart of the issue...
If a Cocker Spaniel has a bad day bites you then you are going to live, if a Pitbull or Rottie loses it then you are going to end up maimed or worse, that is just a fact.
The reason I asked what would you rather be attacked by is because it goes to the very heart of the issue...
If a Cocker Spaniel has a bad day bites you then you are going to live, if a Pitbull or Rottie loses it then you are going to end up maimed or worse, that is just a fact.
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Its also a fact that if any number of 100 other breeds no one ever seems to have any concerns about "loses" it then the same applies. And incidentally, if a cocker spaniel "loses" it, the young for example would be just as at risk.
By your thinking, would you then consider the likes of (for example) Labradors, St Bernards or Standard Poodles to be an irresponsible ownership proposition?
However Great Dane's are savage *******s.
lol
Ever seen a Jack Russell lose it!
Nasty little sods!English Mastiff, I thought they were banned, they eat kittens dont they ?
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Oh Ritchie.... I meant to say, compelling arguement there without a doubt.
Glad you are all ok
PS, well done Thunder. As im sure by todays legal system (no dig intended) if he had bitten the burglar, he would have been taken away and threatened with destruction. And you would have been sued for damages. (overkill I know but I could not resist)
Of course though, this is an isolated incident, and not at all an example of how big vicious child eating, kitten shredding breeds REALLY behave.
Glad you are all ok
PS, well done Thunder. As im sure by todays legal system (no dig intended) if he had bitten the burglar, he would have been taken away and threatened with destruction. And you would have been sued for damages. (overkill I know but I could not resist)
Of course though, this is an isolated incident, and not at all an example of how big vicious child eating, kitten shredding breeds REALLY behave.
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03 December 2009, 07:09 PM
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rotties and masstiffs are of very much the same temprement IMO mastiffs are lovely and were a choice when i got my rottie,
Main reason we have staffs and rotties is that they dont mault alot and the wife has a skin complaint
Main reason we have staffs and rotties is that they dont mault alot and the wife has a skin complaint
03 December 2009, 07:14 PM
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FFS get a grip.
I would guess that you are on this site because you bought a loud aggressive and fast car and not a safe slow and reliable one.
So why should responsible people with large/powerful dogs be slated for their choice.
I would guess that you are on this site because you bought a loud aggressive and fast car and not a safe slow and reliable one.
So why should responsible people with large/powerful dogs be slated for their choice.
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1/ the look like wolves
2/ people are scared of them
3/ they enhance the size of my *****
4/ people are impressed by them
5/ people know they are expensive
6/ as they eat cats/kittens, it was cheaper to feed them on neighbourhood cats, than actually buy food for them.
oh and 7/ dem is well 'ard !
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We had a lovely Rott which sadly died of a form of cancer aged 7.
She was also diabetic and never once 'complained' when being injected every day, fantastic temperament. The family had a Mastiff a few years back which was a very similar dog in terms of character, never a spot of bother.
We pick up our latest Mastiff a week on saturday, once she's had her first injection
She was also diabetic and never once 'complained' when being injected every day, fantastic temperament. The family had a Mastiff a few years back which was a very similar dog in terms of character, never a spot of bother.
We pick up our latest Mastiff a week on saturday, once she's had her first injection
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Your first comment is below. Then you clarified that comment in the post at the bottom. You can clearly see option B) and C) states "the dog comes up to us" and you don't boot it.
HTH.
I'm out with my son - and I'll assume the owner is with the dog.
a) dog is nearby paying us no mind. We do likewise, though I'll keep a wary eye on it
b) dog comes up to us and is clearly inquisitive rather than threatening. I'll maybe, depending on the situation and whether my son is scared or not and whether the owner minds, let my son see the dog is friendly and see if he'll stroke it (and NOT poke it in the eye ....)
c) dog comes up in a threatening manner. I get between said dog and son. Maybe pick son up, but keep dog away. *Most* dogs that seem threatening are then actually scared of people if you make it clear you're not scared of them.
d) dog is threatening and won't go away. Then I'll react, owner or no owner. Whether it's a shout, boot, stick or rock that dog is getting nowhere near my son. And yes, you all have dogs that can kill humans with a single glance but if they got a good boot in the head I'm sure they'd think twice.
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a) dog is nearby paying us no mind. We do likewise, though I'll keep a wary eye on it
b) dog comes up to us and is clearly inquisitive rather than threatening. I'll maybe, depending on the situation and whether my son is scared or not and whether the owner minds, let my son see the dog is friendly and see if he'll stroke it (and NOT poke it in the eye ....)
c) dog comes up in a threatening manner. I get between said dog and son. Maybe pick son up, but keep dog away. *Most* dogs that seem threatening are then actually scared of people if you make it clear you're not scared of them.
d) dog is threatening and won't go away. Then I'll react, owner or no owner. Whether it's a shout, boot, stick or rock that dog is getting nowhere near my son. And yes, you all have dogs that can kill humans with a single glance but if they got a good boot in the head I'm sure they'd think twice.
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I think we can all agree that two legs or four we love our families to bits and would do anything we could to protect them from any harm, again two legs or four. As long as we are as responsible as we can possibly be there shouldn't be any problems from any sides over any others. By the way, i have a Staffie because my sister got a Staffie/Jack Russell cross from Battersea Dogs Home and had him for nine years before i took over looking after him because she moved and no longer had a garden. We had him for another nine years. When we lost him the home felt empty (as did we) so we got hold of a breeder of Staffies and went to see them and chose the pup that suited our ways the most(she also chose us). Holly's 10 now, and i regret nothing, only that she has a limited life span, as do we all. Peace guys.
03 December 2009, 08:45 PM
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Im quite pleased to see that they might be charging the owner with manslaughter instead off the dangourose dogs act. as he would have only done 3 month,
I personally think they should lock him in a basement with 2 nasty pitbulls so he can deal with what that poor boy did. BUT iv also seen a pic off owner holding hs ak47 (probably a bb gun) and poseing with his trophy dog.
I personally think they should lock him in a basement with 2 nasty pitbulls so he can deal with what that poor boy did. BUT iv also seen a pic off owner holding hs ak47 (probably a bb gun) and poseing with his trophy dog.
03 December 2009, 10:04 PM
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i hadn't realised the whole dog owning population of the UK posts on scoobynet
shouldn't you all be out walking them
(pooping and a scooping)
shouldn't you all be out walking them
(pooping and a scooping)
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