Tiger comes clean...
03 December 2009, 02:51 PM
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Trout - Tiger is an athlete, when at collage he was the best pound per pound athlete including basketball, american footy players etc etc. He's completly changed the game of golf, not just in terms of on course play but more importantly the fitness side. Golfers before were pretty lazy and drank a fair bit and now I'd say 95% of tour professionals work out, eat healthy etc. I don't think there has been anyone changed a sport like he has.
Until recently I was a professional golfer and I had Tiger at the top of my list as role models along side Ryan Giggs. I still do. What he has done is pretty stupid and I'm sure it is a massive wake up call for him, I for one think he will come back stronger from it. I have a massive amount of admiration for him and what he's done for my sport, and I still think at the end of his career he will go down as the greatest sportsman in history.
He's the ultimate professional
Until recently I was a professional golfer and I had Tiger at the top of my list as role models along side Ryan Giggs. I still do. What he has done is pretty stupid and I'm sure it is a massive wake up call for him, I for one think he will come back stronger from it. I have a massive amount of admiration for him and what he's done for my sport, and I still think at the end of his career he will go down as the greatest sportsman in history.
He's the ultimate professional
03 December 2009, 05:00 PM
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Gav - where do I say that he is not a athlete, or even that he is not a great athlete.
My point is that he describes his career as an athlete and yet he probably earns 95% of his income from endorsements. Of course he has to be a great (greatest) athlete to get those endorsements - but you cannot shy away from the fact that his career is not as simple as him being an athlete. His career earnings suggest he is primarily a promoter and marketing product.
Effectively he sells WHO he is at least as much if not more than WHAT he does. And when he sells WHO he is he cannot choose to turn off that tap when it does not favour him due to his 'transgressions'.
My point is that he describes his career as an athlete and yet he probably earns 95% of his income from endorsements. Of course he has to be a great (greatest) athlete to get those endorsements - but you cannot shy away from the fact that his career is not as simple as him being an athlete. His career earnings suggest he is primarily a promoter and marketing product.
Effectively he sells WHO he is at least as much if not more than WHAT he does. And when he sells WHO he is he cannot choose to turn off that tap when it does not favour him due to his 'transgressions'.
05 December 2009, 08:37 AM
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Apparently this woman was due to make a press conference this week and then was unavoidably detained due to the alleged receipt of a mysterious cheque for $1,000,000!!!!
It would have been cheaper to do a hooker!
It is also alleged that in compensation for the 'driving' incident he has given his wife an additional $5,000,000 spending money!!!
If she decides to divorce him the prenup she has will give her $300,000,000!!!
With these kinds of numbers he must earn almost as much as a decent banker.
05 December 2009, 12:26 PM
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Thats a painful price for an affair aint it.
05 December 2009, 12:44 PM
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It is also alleged that in compensation for the 'driving' incident he has given his wife an additional $5,000,000 spending money!!!
If she decides to divorce him the prenup she has will give her $300,000,000!!!
With these kinds of numbers he must earn almost as much as a decent banker.
Crazy money.
For $300,000,000 I bet she divorces him.
05 December 2009, 01:41 PM
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I am not convinced.
Tiger says that media have no rights to his personal life as he is simply a professional athlete.
I would argue that he is anything but a professional athlete. He has a career that is founded on being a professional athlete where for every dollar he makes as a golfer he gets probably a hundred if not more for endorsements.
And his endorseable image is one of high virtue and 'clean cut', and as a role model of moral standing. If he lives his life in a different way than the image that he sells so successfully then the media and the 'buying' public do have a right to that.
He cannot claim the media/public has no right to the difficult stuff when he sells the 'good image' for around $100m a year.
Tiger says that media have no rights to his personal life as he is simply a professional athlete.
I would argue that he is anything but a professional athlete. He has a career that is founded on being a professional athlete where for every dollar he makes as a golfer he gets probably a hundred if not more for endorsements.
And his endorseable image is one of high virtue and 'clean cut', and as a role model of moral standing. If he lives his life in a different way than the image that he sells so successfully then the media and the 'buying' public do have a right to that.
He cannot claim the media/public has no right to the difficult stuff when he sells the 'good image' for around $100m a year.
I personally would not get any pleasure out of digging into his private life. Thats the sort of thing for voyeurs in my opinion and it certainly does not create any interest as far as I am concerned.
As I said, just allow him and his wife to sort themselves out without all the unnecessary unpleasantness from the world's press etc. What possible pleasure can people get out of all the intimate details? That seems a bit twisted to me.
I prefer to wait until it is all dealt with and look forward to seeing him play outstanding golf again.
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05 December 2009, 01:46 PM
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I don't think that follows at all. He is admired for his outstanding ability at golf and the fact that he dragged himself up by his bootstraps from a lowly start in life backed by his dad and managed to achieve the very top level in his sport by virtue of his playing ability. Like Susan Boyle, it is his his personal abilities which have brought him the fame.
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05 December 2009, 02:55 PM
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Leslie,
I think that his personal abilities that have brought him to fame; but it is his personal qualities that he sells for around $100m per year.
For me personally I feel that when you sell your personal qualities and you do something that potentially questions those qualities then it is reasonable to expect the public that you sold your qualities to to want some answers.
I think that his personal abilities that have brought him to fame; but it is his personal qualities that he sells for around $100m per year.
For me personally I feel that when you sell your personal qualities and you do something that potentially questions those qualities then it is reasonable to expect the public that you sold your qualities to to want some answers.
05 December 2009, 03:17 PM
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I don't see how he can recover from this. As mentioned, he was a brand selling on a clean-cut life-style, but now the truth has emerged that appears to be a long way from the truth.
Sounds like it's not just one slip-up like he's nailed some bird once, but he's been at it for a good while, with a good few different women. Total stab in the back for his family, so no sympathy from me. He deserves what's coming to him IMO.
Sounds like it's not just one slip-up like he's nailed some bird once, but he's been at it for a good while, with a good few different women. Total stab in the back for his family, so no sympathy from me. He deserves what's coming to him IMO.
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05 December 2009, 04:14 PM
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Leslie,
I think that his personal abilities that have brought him to fame; but it is his personal qualities that he sells for around $100m per year.
For me personally I feel that when you sell your personal qualities and you do something that potentially questions those qualities then it is reasonable to expect the public that you sold your qualities to to want some answers.
I think that his personal abilities that have brought him to fame; but it is his personal qualities that he sells for around $100m per year.
For me personally I feel that when you sell your personal qualities and you do something that potentially questions those qualities then it is reasonable to expect the public that you sold your qualities to to want some answers.
What happened that night was as far as I am concerned part of his private life, and I don't want to go into all that. None of us is perfect, and what matters is how he sorts it out and hopefully continues to entertain us all with his golf. That is what he is famous for and it is how he interests the public.
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05 December 2009, 04:16 PM
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05 December 2009, 04:53 PM
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Yes i Do.
Do you genuinely believe that Susan Boyle personal abilities got her to where she is today? quite frankly to believe that is beyond madness heading towards stupidity.
To even compare Susan Boyle to the likes of Tiger Woods is insane, Tiger Woods is not a professional Golfer, he is a perfectionist which is why he is where he is today. Nothing to do with gimmicks, TV shows or idiots who buy whatever Simon Cowell tell them. This is why many businesses use Tiger Woods as a coaching tool to show what commitment, learning new skills rather than settingly at what "works" and discipline can lead too.
To even compare Susan Boyle to the likes of Tiger Woods is insane, Tiger Woods is not a professional Golfer, he is a perfectionist which is why he is where he is today. Nothing to do with gimmicks, TV shows or idiots who buy whatever Simon Cowell tell them. This is why many businesses use Tiger Woods as a coaching tool to show what commitment, learning new skills rather than settingly at what "works" and discipline can lead too.
05 December 2009, 06:00 PM
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Leslie,
I completely agree that Woods is probably the greatest golfer we will see.
However for you to believe that he is not 'sold' to the world as a perfectionist leads me to believe that you lead an even more sheltered life than I originally thought.
I am guessing you have missed the HUGE billboards around most airports with pictures of Tiger depicting visions of perfection and leadership. I am also guessing you have not read the many, many articles portraying a man with a monomaniacal obsession with perfection.
Or branding of the 'clean cut' leader that Gillette pay so much for.
This public persona is very carefully created by marketing professionals and brand managers - one that places an individual on a very (unrealistically) high pedestal.
The fact that you are not interested in his personal life is a personal choice. And the event of last Friday in of itself are of little interest however they have uncovered a man with multiple affairs going back at least four years.
Not the behavious that some of his sponsors might be too happy with!
I completely agree that Woods is probably the greatest golfer we will see.
However for you to believe that he is not 'sold' to the world as a perfectionist leads me to believe that you lead an even more sheltered life than I originally thought.
I am guessing you have missed the HUGE billboards around most airports with pictures of Tiger depicting visions of perfection and leadership. I am also guessing you have not read the many, many articles portraying a man with a monomaniacal obsession with perfection.
Or branding of the 'clean cut' leader that Gillette pay so much for.
This public persona is very carefully created by marketing professionals and brand managers - one that places an individual on a very (unrealistically) high pedestal.
The fact that you are not interested in his personal life is a personal choice. And the event of last Friday in of itself are of little interest however they have uncovered a man with multiple affairs going back at least four years.
Not the behavious that some of his sponsors might be too happy with!