one thing to bear in mind is with going on track its no good having all the gear and no idea. i do a fair bit myself and find youll always get the chap turning up with all the shizzle bits and ends up getting dicked by everyone

 

Was just a thought for something to try out instead of fully forging the engine or getting it rebuilt to handle increase in power just to pick up one of those but wasnt sure if it would fit or would involve alot of custom work.

Type R is in my price range to start with ( the p1 would have to wait a bit longer but think we have worked out that the type R is more suited to me ) then over a period of time i will gradually sort out the type R to how i want it

 

my p1 is a toy, if i wanna push out quick LT's round tracks i get the race bike out

 

as id say best advice id give is get it well serviced making sure all's good. then learn to drive it- not trying to teach you how to suck eggs here either. most of all- enjoy

 

Not going off topic, staying perfectly well on topic, the Type R is not the best track toy out there, to even get it near the Spec C you will have to spend over 10k, so your spending like 15-16k on a car that is 7 years older and still wont be as good.

See where I am coming from?

Tony

 

Still the fact is that you cant just do bits at a time mechanically to a type R, you upgrade the engine then you need to do the gearbox, clutch, brakes, oil coolers, you upgrade the brakes then thats fine, but you still wont have a highly modified car, and when you get fuel surge in a corner (something the spec c doesnt suffer from because of the way its designed, ie for tracks/grp N rallying) thats more expense.

Save your money and get a Spec C, if track days are all your doing then a classic is not the way to go, that or buy a lotus elise....

Tony

 

yeah sure i do mate. but the question is type r or a p1? not type r or p1 or spec c.
if you want the ultimate track toy a spec ant really the best choice either is it?? for that kinda money you can find many quicker track weopons. dont get me wrong spec c's are quick cars.
i think this chap hasnt the money to go out and buy a spec c, hence him going for something that suits his budget

 

Yeah i do and i respect that but its just i prefer the old classic impreza type R shape to the newer ones and would be happier with a car i like the look of and then mod it rather than by a car i dont like as much then be stuck with it.

Also budget just now cant afford a spec C. Yeah if i count up modding etc but ill be doing that over a period of time and would prefer to get the car sooner than later and start with it and build on the car rather than wait X months / years to get a spec C

Just out of intrest - how does the type R compare to an evo 4,5 and 6? Was looking at them a few weeks ago - dearer to start with, tend to have higher milage - are they worse, better, the same ( honest opinions please )

 

i got a cuple of mates who swear by evo's, one of which has a mint tommi mak which spends most its life in a garage. but as with scoob's they do break and there service intervals are very close.

 

The evo's won that round with the 4/5/6's over the subaru sti 4/5/6's, since the new age it all changed subaru's way though

But listen to me re the modding, dont even go there if your after a scoob as a track day car, the classic is an endless pit for money things will break, thats their downfall, they get oil starvation, fuel starvation, pistons going through the blocks etc, they are mechanically weak, no real oil cooling, the version you want needs an after market ecu, and thats all money, if you want a track toy then dont buy a classic, it will just cost you a packet and time off the road

Tony

 

The fact is he wants a track day subaru, has no one told him how fragile the engines are? you and I know with our engines that it could be borrowed time, a nice 300-400 P1's have had engine rebuilds out of 1000, if not more yet no one has told the OP that?

The question was that the car would be used as a track day toy only, if its a subaru then the Spec C is THE best one for that, other lower versions will break or just buy a lotus elise..... (think I mentioned that before )

Tony

 

i may well be wrong here but, i think hes after a car that he can do the odd track day in, a classic is more than capable of that. if hes gonna start doing loads of track time and battering it then as id say a scoob ant the right car.

quite simply it boils down to his requirements-
1.sub 5 grand
2. odd track day
3.looks smart

type r - good choice

 

ps, i think most p1s have been rebuilt- most under warranty by subaru

 

thing is i could go buy any car that will break ? I have heard the good old subaru engines will blow up etc etc but theres evo, skylines etc bet there engines will blow up aswell.

What about a spec C engine in a type R or is that me being silly now

 

yeah it can be done chap, depending on budget really. how much track time will you be doing?

 

It will be off the road. The only time itll be on the road is if its on the back of a trailer going to a track or drag strip.

Looks smart is a must - Always go with that for a car if i dont like the look even if its a great car i wont go near it.

Sub 5 grand, would prefer that was loooking at evo 5 before though there around 6-8 but would prefer something around the 5 mark would be nice .

Oh and it has to be faster than my mates evo 4 ( got the 6 engine and turbo though ) pushing 380 bhp

 

As often as time lets me really if not the track ill maybe do some quater mile runs or so.

How easy is the swap to a spec C engine? Would i no be better fitting the 6 cylinder i was on about a while ago or is there no point in that ?

 

dont touch the 6 cyl idea mate

as id say id stick with a 2.0 for now as long as shes running sweet, well serviced, good oil, fuels used etc you should be fine. one thing to bear in mind, no matter what car you buy lauching will kill them

 

What's wrong with the 6 cylinder ? I don't know a thing about them so I'll take yoir word just wondering why no?

It won't be on the drag strip alot just once every so often.

 

Tony- you saying newages come with baffled sumps? Dont think so- better design but not baffled.

I would agree re a Spec C though- throw a cage in, and you are done.

To give you an idea, I bought my Scooby earlier this year, and opted for a classic as I prefer the shape.

Track/ race stuff for me has been:

Baffled sump
Oil cooler
brembo brakes
cage
seat and harness
FMIC (prob one of the key issues with engines being enough proper cold air)
Simtek ECU

I have a gearbox going in soon as well, and realise I would have been better off with a car pre- done.

If I remember, there is a classic in the for sale section (black i think) with a 2.5 engine 6 speed box, and upgraded brakes- if that was for sale when I was looking would have had it.

You do have less options with cages on a newage, and classics are lighter.

And forget 0-60 times, unless you supply gearboxes for a living- you wont need them on a track anyway.

 

agreed

 

i had an evo 5 gsr and i agree they are a nice car and handle really well. better than a scoob in my opinion just a little slow on the boost side, the evo 5 is the only evo that you cant handbreak turn, they just lock all 4 wheels because they have no step off in the gear box 4's and the 6's are ok tho just to exspensive to buy and run.

 

Was just wondering the 0-60 as an idea that's all.

What about engine wise if they arnt as strong? Spec C engine? Stroker kit and fully forge? Any other ideas?

 

with a five grand budget your wasting your time for a heavily modified classic shape track car. as tony has said "trust me, it will break your heart mate". the odd trackday here and there yes. just buy the classic shape, bring it up to about 300 ponies and enjoy the ******. either save hard and drop about 15 - 20K in a classic shape car to bring it up to race spec with stuff that wont break or lower your sights a little. just my opinion.

 

I've got a type r and I agree with tony it isn't cheap to mod gearbox anything from 2k to 4k fitted then 1k for clutch ecu built engine it does add up but then again spec c is a lot heavier so a 400/400 type r should wipe the floor with the spec c due to weight the p1 would be wasted as a track car with only 1000 made I would want to keep it at stage one and not change too much as it's a limited edition. You can go for a type r limited comes with a cool wrc roof vent. It all depends on how deep your pockets are. You could buy a type r that already has tastey bits with it.

 

Well to be honest I like the classic shape and it's the only Subaru shape I do like. So it is possible to be better / as good as a spec C just for a lot of money.

 

yes. lots of money and i mean lots!!

 

Tony, you don't half come out with some newage biased rubbish sometimes


As for Classics needing a rebuild all the time that's just a nonsense statement. Have you ever compared the engines? There isn't a great deal of difference.

The things that fail on the classics still fail on the newage.

 

cmon daz a 400/400 trackcar for £5k. you dont even want to think how much you have spent getting to 600 ffs.

 

I was thinking more on the lines of a classic with the same amount of money thrown at it as the suggested spec C would cost.

Spend £10K on a classic or £10K on a standard Spec C?

I'd be buying the bits for the classic everytime.

I'm not arguing that the Spec C is the better standard car but spend £10K on a classic and it's going to take some beating.

I know I could certainly build a classic for £10K that would murder a spec C but of course that's doing all the work myself.