One of the best threads I read on here was saying get to 350- quite achievable, but its the jump from 350 to 400 that really costs.

From what I can work out, there is a 200kg diff between a newage and a classic, and personally Im going for about 340 with the twin scroll im fitting, and getting better spool (I hope) and driveability, and hopefully then be able to stay with a later 5 speed box, also keeping the costs down.

For our hill climb, I know how much time I lose from a slow start (1.5), and until Im within 1.5 seconds of the record, Im not killing the car to get it!

 

just enjoy the hill climbs mate. there will always be someone with more money that you. that's just the way things are. enjoy the car, enjoy the craic, enjoy the company of like minded people, don't bankrupt yourself chasing a wishlist of parts.

 

Agreed mate- last person who did that seriously in an Evo went through 4 clutches in a year, and a gearbox rebuild. And I think the record was taken on list 1b tyres (AO48's or similar), whereas now they correctly insist on 1a tyres, which are a world different, so not even sure its that achievable.

I did win my class all last year though.

We are close to France, so we can also pop over and enjoy some nice track days there too, so by being a little sensible with the mods, car should last.

Back on topic, some good tips here- sort out the cooling of the car, plus brakes and suspension, and get some 'proper' driving lessons off a pro- that will make you faster than an extra 50bhp!

 

so are the older classic engines alot weaker than the new ones then yeah ?

Would i not be better putting a spec C engine in then ? or something else?

Or is the classic shape not a good track day car overall then ?

 

The only way a newage is better than a classic is the fact it has a stiffer shell.

If we're comparing a standard classic STI with a standard Spec C then yes the Spec C is the better car. However build a classic for a track with the right parts and put a cage in it and it's going to take some beating.

It's a pity there weren't any classics of a similar Spec to Duncans New Age in Time Attack as that would make a very interesting comparrison.

Obviously you can't compare the Pro Class cars of Zen and RCM as they are in a different league entirely.

The overall lack of weight of a classic compared to a newage cannot be over looked.

Also have you noticed that all the pro Class Imprezas were based on the classic. I suspect the weight thing was the very reason for that.

 

Totally incorrect, you forgot all the upgraded mechanical bits that people who build big powered classics put in to their cars, all from new age vehicles

Oh and if you want a good comparison Daz, John Felsteads MY05 JDM on the handling course, unmodified, put alot of "pro" classic build cars to shame

Tony

 

But isn't that down to driver, I appreciate the newage is better in the handeling side of things but power to weight ratio the classic everytime a proper set up classic would be hard to beat on a track h

 

P2W doesnt mean anything when comparing a classic with a new age, just look at the in gear and 0-100 times, the new age cars are quicker yet produce similar power to their classic counterparts
Most people forget aerodynamics play a big part, classics are quite brick like, new age cars are a little bit more streamlined

The biggest letdown between the classics and the new age (none hatch) was the fuel consumption was slightly up due to the weight, the hatch on the other hand has better fuel consumption than both

Tony

 

if its a classic that floats yr boat , its have to be the P1 or 22b two of the best looking imprezas ever bar none

 

Not exactly a fair comparison considering John's career is in professional motorsport.

I totally agree that a newage is the better base to start from for tuning as it has some desirable parts (gearbox etc). But to say it's allround a better car is complete shyte.

Put a well sorted 500bhp classic against a well sorted 500bhp newage and I think you'll find the classic will have the upper hand purely because of its weight advantage.

Answer me one thing, Why did RCM and ZEN choose a classic over the newage for their race cars??

The classic versus newage debate will rage on but please back the argument up with proven fact and results. The classic's motorsport track record murders that of the Newage, there's no escaping that cold hard fact