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02 January 2010, 11:11 PM
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Passing copyrighted material onto others is totaly different and that is more of a crime.
Microsoft has had the problem for years yet most of the population considers it ok to use a copied version of windows. How many years did you use a copied version of windows before you actually bought the original?? If you say you have never used copied windows I will think your a liar as ther can't be many people out there who have used computers for years and have not used a copied version of microsoft widows
I think windows xp is the most copied and exploited os out there getting used on multiple computers with only 1 license.
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02 January 2010, 11:14 PM
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Passing copyrighted material onto others is totaly different and that is more of a crime.
Microsoft has had the problem for years yet most of the population considers it ok to use a copied version of windows. How many years did you use a copied version of windows before you actually bought the original?? If you say you have never used copied windows I will think your a liar as ther can't be many people out there who have used computers for years and have not used a copied version of microsoft widows
Microsoft has had the problem for years yet most of the population considers it ok to use a copied version of windows. How many years did you use a copied version of windows before you actually bought the original?? If you say you have never used copied windows I will think your a liar as ther can't be many people out there who have used computers for years and have not used a copied version of microsoft widows
02 January 2010, 11:21 PM
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Don't get me wrong, I can see where you are coming from, but theft or not (and technically it's not), the law on copyrights goes as far as to basically say it's illegal for me to copy a CD I own as a second copy for say the car. It would also get me into trouble if I borrowed a CD or DVD off a friend/family member to watch or listen to before deciding if I liked it and was worth me buying myself.
I mean, that is what copyright includes. So do you feel those acts are wrong as well? Do you view them as stealing.
02 January 2010, 11:22 PM
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Passing copyrighted material onto others is totaly different and that is more of a crime.
Microsoft has had the problem for years yet most of the population considers it ok to use a copied version of windows. How many years did you use a copied version of windows before you actually bought the original?? If you say you have never used copied windows I will think your a liar as ther can't be many people out there who have used computers for years and have not used a copied version of microsoft widows I think windows xp is the most copied and exploited os out there getting used on multiple computers with only 1 license.
Microsoft has had the problem for years yet most of the population considers it ok to use a copied version of windows. How many years did you use a copied version of windows before you actually bought the original?? If you say you have never used copied windows I will think your a liar as ther can't be many people out there who have used computers for years and have not used a copied version of microsoft widows
I think windows xp is the most copied and exploited os out there getting used on multiple computers with only 1 license.As a software producer myself it would be a tad hypocritical would it not? No one should need to use a hooky copy of Windows, if you don't want to pay get Linux instead. What could be more simple?
02 January 2010, 11:25 PM
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How far do you/others take this though?
Don't get me wrong, I can see where you are coming from, but theft or not (and technically it's not), the law on copyrights goes as far as to basically say it's illegal for me to copy a CD I own as a second copy for say the car. It would also get me into trouble if I borrowed a CD or DVD off a friend/family member to watch or listen to before deciding if I liked it and was worth me buying myself.
I mean, that is what copyright includes. So do you feel those acts are wrong as well? Do you view them as stealing.
Don't get me wrong, I can see where you are coming from, but theft or not (and technically it's not), the law on copyrights goes as far as to basically say it's illegal for me to copy a CD I own as a second copy for say the car. It would also get me into trouble if I borrowed a CD or DVD off a friend/family member to watch or listen to before deciding if I liked it and was worth me buying myself.
I mean, that is what copyright includes. So do you feel those acts are wrong as well? Do you view them as stealing.
02 January 2010, 11:32 PM
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Maybe, but would you still say a person who downloads a film (quite possibly a bad copy) to watch as they want to see what it's like before parting with their hard earned is really any worse than someone who borrows a DVD off a friend to watch before deciding to buy or not?
02 January 2010, 11:34 PM
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Yea but F1 the point they are trying to make is that copying a CD you bought for the car is still illegal under the copyright laws so it isn't really any different from dloading crap as that is also illegal under the same laws. So as Lisa said how far do you take the argument? Or in other words if you are such a strong believer against the dloading of software, does that mean you have never copied any of your own media to? If you have then you are a hypocrit.
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02 January 2010, 11:56 PM
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Thats my point, when people are young they use alsorts of copied stuff. I pressume as a young boy you copied stuff ?? Now that your older you have decided its morally wrong. You are also saying copying and distributing, why is that? just cause someone downloads something doesn't mean they keep it or distribute it.
But I am not talking about copyright infringement
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03 January 2010, 01:06 AM
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Yea but F1 the point they are trying to make is that copying a CD you bought for the car is still illegal under the copyright laws so it isn't really any different from dloading crap as that is also illegal under the same laws. So as Lisa said how far do you take the argument? Or in other words if you are such a strong believer against the dloading of software, does that mean you have never copied any of your own media to? If you have then you are a hypocrit.
It is my opinion the latter is theft.
03 January 2010, 01:09 AM
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OK one more example.
Let's say I am a photographer and I publish my photos online to anyone who pays for a subscription to my site. Someone who has paid gives their user/pass to their mates and they all pile in and download thousands of my photos that they have not paid for.
The photos are electronic media, obviously not hardcopy.
Theft or not?
Let's say I am a photographer and I publish my photos online to anyone who pays for a subscription to my site. Someone who has paid gives their user/pass to their mates and they all pile in and download thousands of my photos that they have not paid for.
The photos are electronic media, obviously not hardcopy.
Theft or not?
03 January 2010, 01:09 AM
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I will ask again though, what is your view regarding copying/borrowing a CD/DVD off someone else, for your own viewing only, before deciding whether or not to buy it?
You may think we are being picky, but copyright laws cover alot of hings, including any copying or downloading.
And is it only considered theft, if you copy the downloaded content to CD/DVD, or is it still theft just to download and watch/listen?
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03 January 2010, 01:58 AM
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Maybe your distribution method was taken from days past, maybe you didn't market in the correct form.
What I think happened though, you got contracted independently and never had the legal backing, pushing software is a nightmare.
Probably the best bloke on here is Ian (not sure of his full handle
) but from what I can remember works for a major company, could be in your interest to PM him.But to answer your question, although why I am bothering bewilders me, the software was a back end script/database product and sitting behind a password protected secure page. The password was traded and it was downloaded by 5 people before our security monitoring software blocked their access .
How though did you process a claim in the magistrates, on what basis did you claim on?
03 January 2010, 02:47 AM
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OK one more example.
Let's say I am a photographer and I publish my photos online to anyone who pays for a subscription to my site. Someone who has paid gives their user/pass to their mates and they all pile in and download thousands of my photos that they have not paid for.
The photos are electronic media, obviously not hardcopy.
Theft or not?
Let's say I am a photographer and I publish my photos online to anyone who pays for a subscription to my site. Someone who has paid gives their user/pass to their mates and they all pile in and download thousands of my photos that they have not paid for.
The photos are electronic media, obviously not hardcopy.
Theft or not?
However, it is down to you to protect your property - intellectual or not.
Would you leave the door to your studio open?
03 January 2010, 08:55 AM
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To those saying why didn't I copy protect the software I wrote etc, etc.
Firstly why the f**k should I have to? That attitude makes my blood boil. You are all just part of the problem with an attitude like that. Just because it was, in your uninformed opinion, easy to steal doesn't mean it is right that it was stolen.
But to answer your question, although why I am bothering bewilders me, the software was a back end script/database product and sitting behind a password protected secure page. The password was traded and it was downloaded by 5 people before our security monitoring software blocked their access .
It was then a few months later that it popped up being used on a website - it was they who told me to sue. I did and their defence was they didn't know it wasn't free. They eventually settled out of court although the whole thing cost me money.
Firstly why the f**k should I have to? That attitude makes my blood boil. You are all just part of the problem with an attitude like that. Just because it was, in your uninformed opinion, easy to steal doesn't mean it is right that it was stolen.
But to answer your question, although why I am bothering bewilders me, the software was a back end script/database product and sitting behind a password protected secure page. The password was traded and it was downloaded by 5 people before our security monitoring software blocked their access .
It was then a few months later that it popped up being used on a website - it was they who told me to sue. I did and their defence was they didn't know it wasn't free. They eventually settled out of court although the whole thing cost me money.
03 January 2010, 09:31 AM
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The photo site I described is not the same as leaving the door to a studio open, it is the exact problem faced every day by thousands of sites across the web.
I am sure you can guess the industry I am talking about and if you have a simple solution which you obviously do given the flippant nature of your comments might I suggest you patent it and then speak to some of the major players in the industry as you will be a sure fire millionaire.
03 January 2010, 10:00 AM
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Because I can guarantee what ever you wrote, could have been emulated in a day or/was already available. I understand the plight programmers go through, it is a massively tough market. Windows is the most pirated software on the planet, they still make billions every year.
Maybe your distribution method was taken from days past, maybe you didn't market in the correct form.
What I think happened though, you got contracted independently and never had the legal backing, pushing software is a nightmare.
Probably the best bloke on here is Ian (not sure of his full handle) but from what I can remember works for a major company, could be in your interest to PM him.
Maybe your distribution method was taken from days past, maybe you didn't market in the correct form.
What I think happened though, you got contracted independently and never had the legal backing, pushing software is a nightmare.
Probably the best bloke on here is Ian (not sure of his full handle
) but from what I can remember works for a major company, could be in your interest to PM him.As for marketing etc. that wasn't the problem, it was the thieving I objected to.
A legitimate purchaser handed their user/pass to a friend and so on and so forth.
Claimed on theft of intellectual property. We didn't even get near a court as I had a solicitor prepare a calim against them and serve it on them. They counter claimed and hence we were preparing evidence for court when they backed down and offered to settle. Even back in those days the law was somewhat on the side of the agressor and even if we had won in court we may not have got a settlement big enough to cover the amount of time lost through pursuing them as well as the value of the software etc.so an out of court settlement was advised by our soliicitor.
03 January 2010, 11:49 AM
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03 January 2010, 11:56 AM
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Will have to look into this a bit more (I live in France)
I will let you all know if I hear of anybody getting emails sent for using torrents.
How do they get your email address anyway
(I live in France)I will let you all know if I hear of anybody getting emails sent for using torrents.
How do they get your email address anyway
03 January 2010, 12:09 PM
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rbaz, Your only realy in danger of this type of action if you use torrents. Torrents are the worst to use as your ip is logged everytime so you ISP can trace you pretty easy. When you download using torrents its not the downloading thats lands you in trouble its distrubuting the media you are downloading as everyone knows you have to seed a torrent and thats the nasty bit that gets the big fines from all the record companies. I have used torrents before to download a tv program that I missed and I'm ot even sure how I would stand on that?
Basically your best off never using torrents at all as this will only get worse. The theory "it will never happen to me" never seems to work for those getting the big fines
Basically your best off never using torrents at all as this will only get worse. The theory "it will never happen to me" never seems to work for those getting the big fines
03 January 2010, 12:58 PM
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Of course I wouldn't do such things as use torrents 
But I know plenty of people that do.
I know somebody that downloads a fair bit but they close the upload as soon as its completed. They also use Peerblock, some believe it can keep you one step in front of those that don't use it but nobody really knows.
Mute may also be a good idea About.com: http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/
But I know plenty of people that do.I know somebody that downloads a fair bit but they close the upload as soon as its completed. They also use Peerblock, some believe it can keep you one step in front of those that don't use it but nobody really knows.
Mute may also be a good idea About.com: http://mute-net.sourceforge.net/
04 January 2010, 12:47 AM
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Spufus,
The photo site I described is not the same as leaving the door to a studio open, it is the exact problem faced every day by thousands of sites across the web.
I am sure you can guess the industry I am talking about and if you have a simple solution which you obviously do given the flippant nature of your comments might I suggest you patent it and then speak to some of the major players in the industry as you will be a sure fire millionaire.
The photo site I described is not the same as leaving the door to a studio open, it is the exact problem faced every day by thousands of sites across the web.
I am sure you can guess the industry I am talking about and if you have a simple solution which you obviously do given the flippant nature of your comments might I suggest you patent it and then speak to some of the major players in the industry as you will be a sure fire millionaire.
I have no simple solution, as you say. However, if I did I would be a rich man.
I realised a long time ago that if something can be copied digitally, then it can be pirated for free. That is a fact of digital life.
I have been there & had my work stolen. Many times.
The answer is finding a way to make your money from sharing your work in a way which benefits you & the end user. That way piracy ends. Fast.
04 January 2010, 07:23 AM
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Bear in mind also that the proposals being put forward don't even require the accuser to present proper evidence that would stand up in a civil or criminal trial - and nor is there the opportunity for the accused to present a proper defence. That prospect alone terrifies me.
How sure are you that you don't live within wireless network range of someone who might occasionally have the desire, and the technical ability, to 'borrow' your connection from time to time?
04 January 2010, 10:32 AM
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Anyone who states that it's not theft is a moron. Simple. Is it on the level of armed robbery, of course not. But, if it's not yours and you take it, that's theft.