Piracy laws
05 January 2010, 11:13 PM
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Andy,
i know the Sony BMG rootkit very well (even though i never "installed" it)!!
Talk about out of the frying pan...
...yup, slap that one in Bono's face
Cheers,
mb
i know the Sony BMG rootkit very well (even though i never "installed" it)!!
Talk about out of the frying pan...
- Illegally install software without telling people
- Modify the kernel of Windows so that any file or folder beginning with "$SYS$" cannot be seen (thus making it easier for virus writers to completely hide their code)
- Illegally request personal details to "uninstall it" when they were found out
- Install an ActiveX control to perform the "uninstall" that allowed other people to access your PC
...yup, slap that one in Bono's face
Cheers,
mb
06 January 2010, 12:17 AM
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No it's not exactly the same. Not even partially the same actually.
The key is in the word lend.
I lend you a CD and you listen to it and give it back to me. If you then want to listen again you buy it.
Whereas if you steal it by downloading it you don't need to buy it do you?
Surely you can see the rather obvious difference here.
The key is in the word lend.
I lend you a CD and you listen to it and give it back to me. If you then want to listen again you buy it.
Whereas if you steal it by downloading it you don't need to buy it do you?
Surely you can see the rather obvious difference here.
If you lend a mate something, there is always the chance they will copy it (their wrongdoing), but you must know the possibility is there. Would you class that as theft, as they have a copy, but you still have the original returned to you? Nothing has technically been stolen.
Have you ever copied an album/film that you have borrowed? Probably not, but even if you had I doubt you'd admit to it. No offence.
06 January 2010, 03:20 AM
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If you lend a mate something, there is always the chance they will copy it (their wrongdoing), but you must know the possibility is there. Would you class that as theft, as they have a copy, but you still have the original returned to you? Nothing has technically been stolen.
I love the 'but you must know the possibility is there' comment. If you lend someone your car you must know the possibility of speeding is there..... does that stop you lending it to them?
Not much point my answering then is there? LOL!
06 January 2010, 08:07 AM
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they have a copy, and I have the original back - but one financial transaction and one set of royalties paid to the artist
neither I nor the mate who I lend the CD to, buy anything again.
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06 January 2010, 08:19 AM
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The mpaa and all the other stupid groups went through all this at the end of the 80's claiming people were killing the record industry by taping other peoples tapes!
The industry is still here now, so all that was obviously bollocks!
Infinity ward totally changed how modern warfare 2 was distributed (******* up the multiplayer in the process) to try to stop piracy and it turned out to be the most pirated game of 2009 but it it was still the top grossing game of 2009 as well!
As a percentage the amount of pirated copies of someones content are <5% of total coies out there (for mw2), so its all a drop in the ocean!
If these draconian laws do kick in, we, as a group of mates, will put 1 pound in each for a dvd we all want to see, then run 10 copies off the burner for the people that chipped in, that no different to p2p in my eyes but we will do it!
piracy will never be stopped, simple as that!
The industry is still here now, so all that was obviously bollocks!
Infinity ward totally changed how modern warfare 2 was distributed (******* up the multiplayer in the process) to try to stop piracy and it turned out to be the most pirated game of 2009 but it it was still the top grossing game of 2009 as well!
As a percentage the amount of pirated copies of someones content are <5% of total coies out there (for mw2), so its all a drop in the ocean!
If these draconian laws do kick in, we, as a group of mates, will put 1 pound in each for a dvd we all want to see, then run 10 copies off the burner for the people that chipped in, that no different to p2p in my eyes but we will do it!
piracy will never be stopped, simple as that!
06 January 2010, 08:25 AM
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Andy,
i know the Sony BMG rootkit very well (even though i never "installed" it)!!
Talk about out of the frying pan...
...yup, slap that one in Bono's face
Cheers,
mb
i know the Sony BMG rootkit very well (even though i never "installed" it)!!
Talk about out of the frying pan...
- Illegally install software without telling people
- Modify the kernel of Windows so that any file or folder beginning with "$SYS$" cannot be seen (thus making it easier for virus writers to completely hide their code)
- Illegally request personal details to "uninstall it" when they were found out
- Install an ActiveX control to perform the "uninstall" that allowed other people to access your PC
...yup, slap that one in Bono's face
Cheers,
mb
06 January 2010, 08:57 AM
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06 January 2010, 12:17 PM
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please please read my post carefully. For reference I will quote what i said "yes illegally lending a CD for a mate to copy" (the key bit is in italics) -- hence, and I repeat, I lend it to someone to make an illegal copy -- why do they need to, as you state, "If you then want to listen again you buy it."
they have a copy, and I have the original back - but one financial transaction and one set of royalties paid to the artist
neither I nor the mate who I lend the CD to, buy anything again.
they have a copy, and I have the original back - but one financial transaction and one set of royalties paid to the artist
neither I nor the mate who I lend the CD to, buy anything again.
Of course lending a mate a CD so he can copy it is the same as him downloading it, that is obvious, but if he doesn't copy it then it is compeltley different as I have stated.
06 January 2010, 02:38 PM
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no worries F1
I understand your arguments and appreciate that you have suffered direct financial loss as a result of the "everything in the internet is free" brigade
but the record industry wheeling out Speech DeBelle, fresh from her day job as a member of a vicious south london street gang, to lecture me on the morality of music downloading -- c'mon
I understand your arguments and appreciate that you have suffered direct financial loss as a result of the "everything in the internet is free" brigade
but the record industry wheeling out Speech DeBelle, fresh from her day job as a member of a vicious south london street gang, to lecture me on the morality of music downloading -- c'mon
07 January 2010, 10:05 PM
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Well it looks like piracy is having a dramatic effect on the music industry!
Overall album sales were down 3.5% in 2009, to a mere 128.9 million.
However (legal) downloads were up by 56.1%, so Bono's mates simply had to sit on their fat ***** and not stamp out CDs and records, and not have to make nice printed covers, and not have to distribute them and not have to pay rent for high street shops and not have to fork out wages for staff to sell them. Nope, they just charged "customers" for the privilege of using their own purchased bandwidth and their own storage media to make a copy of some sequence of ones and zeros that can only be used in certain ways.
Oh, and they sold more singles than ever (4.22 million) in a single week at the end of 2009, increasing by 32.7% over the last year (98% being legal digital downloads).
See Downloads up as album sales drop
Poor 'ickle tings
mb
Overall album sales were down 3.5% in 2009, to a mere 128.9 million.
However (legal) downloads were up by 56.1%, so Bono's mates simply had to sit on their fat ***** and not stamp out CDs and records, and not have to make nice printed covers, and not have to distribute them and not have to pay rent for high street shops and not have to fork out wages for staff to sell them. Nope, they just charged "customers" for the privilege of using their own purchased bandwidth and their own storage media to make a copy of some sequence of ones and zeros that can only be used in certain ways.
Oh, and they sold more singles than ever (4.22 million) in a single week at the end of 2009, increasing by 32.7% over the last year (98% being legal digital downloads).
See Downloads up as album sales drop
Poor 'ickle tings
mb
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