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Old 06 January 2010, 07:11 PM
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Originally Posted by Henrik
Wow, that video puts the first news article in a different light, eh?


The captain of the whaler should face charges for attempted murder, imo.
even in the series theres so much cover up of information, by both sides i might add, its difficult to get a graps of whats going on at times.

this is one of many incidents, def one fo the most blatant attacks
Old 06 January 2010, 07:13 PM
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Originally Posted by Dedrater
If you look at the wake behind the bat boat before impact, it looks like, to me, they put the power on and thus they crashed into the bigger boat, the guy was just using the zoom on the camera.

imo

could argue that they were trying to power up to get out of the way, looked like it was def on collision course and def swirved towards it. but as said above, theres so much you dont see and so much this light and that light put on footage you don;t realy know the exact details
Old 06 January 2010, 07:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Henrik
Now that you've had a chance to watch the second video, have you changed your opinion of the protesters actions in regards to this collision?
lol nice wording, thank you for showing me the video for my chance to think about it.

Have I changed my opinon..... Honestly.... NO!
They were WAY too close, put themselves in danger.

Maybe the actions of the whaler are questionable, but ask the other question... Why put yourself so close to such danger, apart from being an idiot
Old 06 January 2010, 07:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Snazy
lol nice wording, thank you for showing me the video for my chance to think about it.

Have I changed my opinon..... Honestly.... NO!
They were WAY too close, put themselves in danger.

Maybe the actions of the whaler are questionable, but ask the other question... Why put yourself so close to such danger, apart from being an idiot

I'd guess that sitting back at a "safe" distance is hardly likely to deter the whalers.

It's the close contact that creates the disruption/distraction as the larger ships cannot operate normally, so to have any effect at all, the protesters have to get close, irrespective of whether they are planning sabotage tactics or not.

Personally, I'd like to see the Whalers treated the same way as they treat the whales, and see how they like it.
Old 06 January 2010, 07:47 PM
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Some heartless replies here.

Whales are stunning, beautiful creatures. Sure the protesters may have handled it badly but that's hardly the point. They deserve our support. They have more guts than I would have in actually trying to do something about it.

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Old 06 January 2010, 08:39 PM
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The trimaran was clearly idling then shot forward although the jap boat did change course.

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Old 06 January 2010, 09:00 PM
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Originally Posted by Henrik
Wow, that video puts the first news article in a different light, eh?


The captain of the whaler should face charges for attempted murder, imo.
If this is the case then what of mr watson who claims to have intentionally rammed boats and sunk some he even sell sweatshirts listing the boats he claims to have rammed this man should be locked up before he kills his crew. In the last series he threatened to ram the whalers and ended the series by putting a hole in his own ship doing just that.
Old 06 January 2010, 09:07 PM
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They need an old Uboat surely?
Old 06 January 2010, 09:14 PM
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My Great grandfather told me to never trust the Japs. Looks like he wasn't wrong.

Mind you GGF also told me not to trust the Darkies, Lefties or women.

Fooking Spot on!!
Old 06 January 2010, 10:39 PM
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Regardless of what peoples views are on the anti-whaing brigade, you play chicken as often as they do eventually your going to lose. Especially to a ship that is alot bigger than yours and to a captain whos ancestors were kamikaze's. I've watched the series and they are idiots throughout, as someone said before they throw chemical bombs at them
Old 07 January 2010, 04:43 AM
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Look at their press release of the launch of the Ady Gil

Captain Paul Watson (Sea Shepherd President and Founder) intends to use the Ady Gil to intercept and physically block the harpoon ships
Sea Shepherd Unveils the Ady Gil - Sea Shepherd

Game of chicken gone wrong
Old 07 January 2010, 06:22 AM
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I support everybody that is against whaling, even by risking their lives. Most whales are endangered species. For those of you who don't know (as it seems), whales still do NOT belong to the species of fish unless evolution has changed in the last 35 years. BTW, I am also against fishing, so there you go.
Old 07 January 2010, 08:57 AM
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Originally Posted by Mog
The trimaran was clearly idling then shot forward although the jap boat did change course.

Mog
yep def kicks up a wake, but was it trying to turn to get out of the way? def started more square on to it, but on the oposite, why didn't it hit reverse?
Old 07 January 2010, 10:45 AM
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the whalers are hunting minke whale which according to the ICUN minke whales hold the status `of least concern` perhaps they could divert all that time and resource into a cause that was of more urgency such as the poaching of rhino
Old 07 January 2010, 01:12 PM
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Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
what a bunch of fools
what is the difrence between killing a whale and killing a fish?, were do they draw the line
As a point of interest, do you realise the suffering a whale has to go through before it eventually dies? How would you feel about being skinned and dismembered while still alive?

Do you think that is acceptable behaviour?

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Old 07 January 2010, 03:37 PM
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Originally Posted by azz250478
Regardless of what peoples views are on the anti-whaing brigade, you play chicken as often as they do eventually your going to lose. Especially to a ship that is alot bigger than yours and to a captain whos ancestors were kamikaze's. I've watched the series and they are idiots throughout, as someone said before they throw chemical bombs at them
Agreed!

For the record, I dont like the whaling industry one bit, and think it is really quite nasty the way they "hunt"
I respect the protesters for making the effort to be heard, but there is protesting, and putting yourself in danger, which in my books is just plain dumb.
Old 07 January 2010, 05:06 PM
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the japs have set themselves quotas for how many whales they are allowed to kill for "research" 965 minkie whales and 50 fin whales,that seems an awful lot to be killing every year .its all down to money at the end of the day the jap whaling fleet consists of 1 spotter ship,3 harpoon ships and the massive factory ship,there are whole communities in japan that are reliant on the income that killing whales bring in theres no way the jap government are going to upset these people so its going to continue.sea shepard would be better off spending money educating and getting the japanese people to accept that eating whale meat is no longer acceptable.
Old 07 January 2010, 05:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
As a point of interest, do you realise the suffering a whale has to go through before it eventually dies? How would you feel about being skinned and dismembered while still alive?

Do you think that is acceptable behaviour?

Les
on the series it is made clear that the whales are dead before processing in fact they quote how long after being dispatched by rifle (which is shown in one of the programs) it will be before the carcass begins to spoil
Old 07 January 2010, 07:45 PM
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Originally Posted by gtijames
the japs have set themselves quotas for how many whales they are allowed to kill for "research" 965 minkie whales and 50 fin whales,that seems an awful lot to be killing every year .its all down to money at the end of the day the jap whaling fleet consists of 1 spotter ship,3 harpoon ships and the massive factory ship,there are whole communities in japan that are reliant on the income that killing whales bring in theres no way the jap government are going to upset these people so its going to continue.sea shepard would be better off spending money educating and getting the japanese people to accept that eating whale meat is no longer acceptable.
That's never going to happen. The Japanese may be civilised, but they are utterly barbaric when it comes to animal welfare. Take a look at this, but be warned, its pretty harrowing
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uzuSULcqgxQ
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Old 07 January 2010, 09:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Leslie
As a point of interest, do you realise the suffering a whale has to go through before it eventually dies? How would you feel about being skinned and dismembered while still alive?

Do you think that is acceptable behaviour?

Les
(yes i know a fish is not a mamal )

no i dident know that...and no animal should suffer in any way, did you know a fish on a fishing line is not having the time of its life ? but every day millions of people fish around the world, is that wrong or is it ok? because its small and not seen as beautiful? what im saying is where do you draw the line a whale, shark, fish, a lobster

why not fight for more humain killing if they suffer so much ?

i see them as fools because they risk human lives as seen in both vids, will they be happy to kill a human who kills whales ?

the word has gone mad when there are kids starving around the world and living on the streets and idiots like this put there efforts and probably tens of millions of pounds into this most of them will be free loaders who need to fit in somewere into a group

while one kid go's hungry in this world i will never give one penny to an animal charity asmuch as i love them
Old 07 January 2010, 09:54 PM
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Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
why not fight for more humain killing if they suffer so much ?
I think the problem is they are so big, the only way to stop them is to shoot them with explosive harpoons. No way to farm them after all.
Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
i see them as fools because they risk human lives as seen in both vids, will they be happy to kill a human who kills whales ?
I think in a world without consequences I think their methods would be a lot more impactive.

Originally Posted by paulwrxboro
the word has gone mad when there are kids starving around the world and living on the streets and idiots like this put there efforts and probably tens of millions of pounds into this most of them will be free loaders who need to fit in somewere into a group
Quite possibly, but you cant deny they have a point. Virtually every other animal which is killed for meat is stunned in some way and then dispatched with in a (relatively) humane way.

Whales are killed without any kind of stunning and with an explosive harpoon embedded in their side. It would be like killing a cow with a rocket propelled grenade when you want a hamburger. Justifiably, there would be quite a lot of popular protest if people started doing that. In fact, I seem to recall there was...
A (bad) taste for adventure | Metro.co.uk

I think thats the crux of their arguement and for the record, I agree with them.
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Old 08 January 2010, 03:06 AM
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Originally Posted by tkws5606
perhaps they could divert all that time and resource into a cause that was of more urgency such as the poaching of rhino
I reckon a rhino would have diverted straight through them too.......
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Old 08 January 2010, 08:33 AM
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reports coming out that they havn't been able to recue it and its either sunk or sinking.
Old 08 January 2010, 01:16 PM
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Originally Posted by tkws5606
on the series it is made clear that the whales are dead before processing in fact they quote how long after being dispatched by rifle (which is shown in one of the programs) it will be before the carcass begins to spoil
Thats what they tell you of course.

Does not tie in with some of the video that I have seen in the past though!

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Originally Posted by Leslie
Thats what they tell you of course.

Does not tie in with some of the video that I have seen in the past though!

Les
I understand this may not be the case and that you may well be right about the whales being skinned alive but I find it strange that on the series they did not mention it when whales where being dispatched and I would have thought that as they make use of every opportunity to discredit the whalers that it would be too good an opportunity to miss

Please don't think I am pro whaling it is just that I think the way that watson is acting borders on lunacy his efforts tend to alienate people and you find that people concentrate on him rather than the root of the problem
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