330S engine failure!!!
11 January 2010, 04:05 PM
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I`ve always bought UK models as warranty is very important.
I dont expect to be it questioned!!!
In the past I had an 02 Bugeye engine explode but that was at high revs and a WR1 center and rear diffs replaced.
P1 fell apart but was mechanically sound bar the wrong alcon pads being fitted when it was new turning the car BROWN!! LOL
I am jinxed with Subaru`s I think LOL
Really thought I`d got it sussed with this one but always hated the hesitation sometimes felt not always and thought to myself this engine isnt running right felt like it was being strangled sometimes if that makes sense.
always ran best on Tesco 99 again makes sense.
i have a Shell fuel card so optimax was always used unless I was in a different area but NEVER EVER put regular unleaded in it!!!
Unlike the original dealer!!!
I dont expect to be it questioned!!!
In the past I had an 02 Bugeye engine explode but that was at high revs and a WR1 center and rear diffs replaced.
P1 fell apart but was mechanically sound bar the wrong alcon pads being fitted when it was new turning the car BROWN!! LOL
I am jinxed with Subaru`s I think LOL
Really thought I`d got it sussed with this one but always hated the hesitation sometimes felt not always and thought to myself this engine isnt running right felt like it was being strangled sometimes if that makes sense.
always ran best on Tesco 99 again makes sense.
i have a Shell fuel card so optimax was always used unless I was in a different area but NEVER EVER put regular unleaded in it!!!
Unlike the original dealer!!!
11 January 2010, 06:39 PM
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I don't think it does any damage running on regular (unless it's an import without remap).
I think they are coming from an optimum performance angle for the maximum benefit offered bythe PPP.
I think they are coming from an optimum performance angle for the maximum benefit offered bythe PPP.
11 January 2010, 11:11 PM
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Does the engine failure issue only affect the 330s or the standard sti type uk as well? If it's only the 330s then maybe the fuel pump and the map are the issue as they are both changed for the upgrade? Also begs the question is the standard fuel pump up to the job if an uprated one can't cope?
Any news from the dealer yet Aaron? When my Focus needed involved, time consuming, difficult to diagnose and complicated work envolving the ECU the 1st thing the dealer did was try and blame me although the car was standard!
Any news from the dealer yet Aaron? When my Focus needed involved, time consuming, difficult to diagnose and complicated work envolving the ECU the 1st thing the dealer did was try and blame me although the car was standard!
12 January 2010, 12:14 AM
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Does the engine failure issue only affect the 330s or the standard sti type uk as well? If it's only the 330s then maybe the fuel pump and the map are the issue as they are both changed for the upgrade? Also begs the question is the standard fuel pump up to the job if an uprated one can't cope?
Any news from the dealer yet Aaron? When my Focus needed involved, time consuming, difficult to diagnose and complicated work envolving the ECU the 1st thing the dealer did was try and blame me although the car was standard!
Any news from the dealer yet Aaron? When my Focus needed involved, time consuming, difficult to diagnose and complicated work envolving the ECU the 1st thing the dealer did was try and blame me although the car was standard!
12 January 2010, 01:22 PM
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OK, I'm going to stick my head out here .... chop away if you must, but ....
When I extoll the virtues of buying a UK car over an import I get told, "They get made on the same line, with the same parts"
Now, I understand a difference in Spec. .... but I am shocked to read that they fit different 2.5 Engines dependant upon their final market .... with regard to different pistons ... ?? Surely not??
Or have I misunderstood what is being said?
When I extoll the virtues of buying a UK car over an import I get told, "They get made on the same line, with the same parts"
Now, I understand a difference in Spec. .... but I am shocked to read that they fit different 2.5 Engines dependant upon their final market .... with regard to different pistons ... ?? Surely not??
Or have I misunderstood what is being said?
12 January 2010, 02:00 PM
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Depends what you are calling an import, uk cars and euro imports have the same engine, just differ on interior spec. jap imports use the 2ltr engine, different engine different spec.
Also uk and euro cars are all on the same production line, jap imports are made in Japan.
Also uk and euro cars are all on the same production line, jap imports are made in Japan.
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12 January 2010, 02:11 PM
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OK, I'm going to stick my head out here .... chop away if you must, but ....
When I extoll the virtues of buying a UK car over an import I get told, "They get made on the same line, with the same parts"
Now, I understand a difference in Spec. .... but I am shocked to read that they fit different 2.5 Engines dependant upon their final market .... with regard to different pistons ... ?? Surely not??
Or have I misunderstood what is being said?
When I extoll the virtues of buying a UK car over an import I get told, "They get made on the same line, with the same parts"
Now, I understand a difference in Spec. .... but I am shocked to read that they fit different 2.5 Engines dependant upon their final market .... with regard to different pistons ... ?? Surely not??
Or have I misunderstood what is being said?
12 January 2010, 03:48 PM
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OK, I'm going to stick my head out here .... chop away if you must, but ....
When I extoll the virtues of buying a UK car over an import I get told, "They get made on the same line, with the same parts"
Now, I understand a difference in Spec. .... but I am shocked to read that they fit different 2.5 Engines dependant upon their final market .... with regard to different pistons ... ?? Surely not??
Or have I misunderstood what is being said?
When I extoll the virtues of buying a UK car over an import I get told, "They get made on the same line, with the same parts"
Now, I understand a difference in Spec. .... but I am shocked to read that they fit different 2.5 Engines dependant upon their final market .... with regard to different pistons ... ?? Surely not??
Or have I misunderstood what is being said?
12 January 2010, 06:57 PM
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It would probably need remapping to suit it. I don't know how robust the 330 map is tbh but from reading the horror stories on here I would say it would be very worthwhile getting it at least checked by a specialist to make sure it was running safe if you werent that bothered about the warranty.
12 January 2010, 07:16 PM
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AFAIK the 2.5ltr engine, regardless of what country the car is for... UK, EU or US use the same engine and internals. That is the build spec from Subaru. This move to a 2.5ltr is all about emissions for those specific countries. The JDM engine is 2ltr and for that reason uses totally different pistons.
12 January 2010, 08:45 PM
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The JDM uses different crank (nitrided and crossdrilled), pistons, block, heads, cams, exhaust headers and up pipe, turbo, inlet plenum, intercooler, exhaust system. It has more torque out the box than the 2.5ltr, which is nice. 
The 2.5 litre engine is made in Japan and the USA i believe, it was initially launched in the USA market when the USDM STi was first sold, during the initial period they had issues with the engine mapping and issued a reflash on first service, they also had issues with the head gaskets weeping which resulted in them installing some Subaru badged Radweld into the cooling system at each major service. This is quite a while ago now and you don't hear about new 2.5's having any headgasket issues of the same nature of the original USDM batch, development is always ongoing no matter who the car manufacturer is.
The 2.0 is a more robust engine because of it's basic design, but there is nothing wrong with the 2.5 in it's application, so i wouldn't let this worry you too much. It's worth checking with IM and Prodrive if there are any known issues with the mapping that required a recall or flash during service, and make sure yours hasn't slipped through the net. Unless its a safety issue they tend not to issue a recall, but wait until the car is into the dealer for other work. This can often be the case on a new model of car and can be part of the ownership experience when you are one of the first to buy into a new model design, which the Hatch is.
As long as IM back the car up with a proper warranty then i wouldn't be at all concerned. What matters now is what experience Arron has with this issue, if it's fixed then all is good in the world.
The 2.5 litre engine is made in Japan and the USA i believe, it was initially launched in the USA market when the USDM STi was first sold, during the initial period they had issues with the engine mapping and issued a reflash on first service, they also had issues with the head gaskets weeping which resulted in them installing some Subaru badged Radweld into the cooling system at each major service. This is quite a while ago now and you don't hear about new 2.5's having any headgasket issues of the same nature of the original USDM batch, development is always ongoing no matter who the car manufacturer is.
The 2.0 is a more robust engine because of it's basic design, but there is nothing wrong with the 2.5 in it's application, so i wouldn't let this worry you too much. It's worth checking with IM and Prodrive if there are any known issues with the mapping that required a recall or flash during service, and make sure yours hasn't slipped through the net. Unless its a safety issue they tend not to issue a recall, but wait until the car is into the dealer for other work. This can often be the case on a new model of car and can be part of the ownership experience when you are one of the first to buy into a new model design, which the Hatch is.
As long as IM back the car up with a proper warranty then i wouldn't be at all concerned. What matters now is what experience Arron has with this issue, if it's fixed then all is good in the world.
12 January 2010, 11:29 PM
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The 330's was not available when the car was launched but I believe the prodrive upgrade to 330 bhp was. I'd be interested to know how many cars that failed had the upgrade compared to standard. Obviously if the standard car was failing the problem may be with the Subaru map or vice versa.
12 January 2010, 11:35 PM
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oh wow i just saw this
my euro 09 sti blew up after 5 months of ownership with 6000km on the clock
2 piston rings were totally cracked
anyways this was in may 2009 and i got a new short block (they have new ones now with improved rod bearings and nitrided crank) i also installed wiseco drop in pistons instead of the oem pistons at the dealership (i supplied the pistons but paid nothing all covered under warranty)
a few weeks ago i got some hesitation and freaked out (car is stock)
so i did some data logs and i was getting some roughness in cyl 2
took the car in to the dealership and they were cluesless at what i was talking about.... they changed MAF sensor, MAP sensor and some other fuel pump parts then after 4 days of changing parts and me telling them everyday to change the damn coils they did and problem was fixed
from my experience and what i have see here in israel
most 2,5 engines have ringlands cracking due to two things
1. stock pistons r just **** (from 2007 + they just blow up 2006 cars were ok)
2. stock tune is horrible!
if u look at the stock tune it stays in closed loop while in boost!!
the stock tune is just for emissions and in my opinion very dangerous
anyways good luck
if i were u i would buy some cosworth pistons and get the mechanic to install them in a brand new shortblock (maybe give him something on the side ...)
my euro 09 sti blew up after 5 months of ownership with 6000km on the clock
2 piston rings were totally cracked
anyways this was in may 2009 and i got a new short block (they have new ones now with improved rod bearings and nitrided crank) i also installed wiseco drop in pistons instead of the oem pistons at the dealership (i supplied the pistons but paid nothing all covered under warranty)
a few weeks ago i got some hesitation and freaked out (car is stock)
so i did some data logs and i was getting some roughness in cyl 2
took the car in to the dealership and they were cluesless at what i was talking about.... they changed MAF sensor, MAP sensor and some other fuel pump parts then after 4 days of changing parts and me telling them everyday to change the damn coils they did and problem was fixed
from my experience and what i have see here in israel
most 2,5 engines have ringlands cracking due to two things
1. stock pistons r just **** (from 2007 + they just blow up 2006 cars were ok)
2. stock tune is horrible!
if u look at the stock tune it stays in closed loop while in boost!!
the stock tune is just for emissions and in my opinion very dangerous
anyways good luck
if i were u i would buy some cosworth pistons and get the mechanic to install them in a brand new shortblock (maybe give him something on the side ...)
13 January 2010, 01:35 PM
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The 330's was not available when the car was launched but I believe the prodrive upgrade to 330 bhp was. I'd be interested to know how many cars that failed had the upgrade compared to standard. Obviously if the standard car was failing the problem may be with the Subaru map or vice versa.
I'm gutted about this - just put a deposit down on a 330S and gonna be scared to drive the bloody thing!
13 January 2010, 01:37 PM
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Yes.
It would probably need remapping to suit it. I don't know how robust the 330 map is tbh but from reading the horror stories on here I would say it would be very worthwhile getting it at least checked by a specialist to make sure it was running safe if you werent that bothered about the warranty.
It would probably need remapping to suit it. I don't know how robust the 330 map is tbh but from reading the horror stories on here I would say it would be very worthwhile getting it at least checked by a specialist to make sure it was running safe if you werent that bothered about the warranty.
Are you saying getting it checked out before or after the cat replacement/remap?
Is it possible to get the standard Prodrive map checked out to see if it's running safely?
Cheers
13 January 2010, 02:56 PM
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Hello John, did you hear about Chris's accident at Oulton a couple of months ago (broken arm, broken ribs, punctured lung & concussion)? It was my father that he crashed into too. He is a lot better now but Im not sure whether Christmas cards were exchanged
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13 January 2010, 06:32 PM
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I would suggest that it will overboost a fair amount if you removed the cat so would definitely need remapping both for safety and to improve the power (which I assume is the objective behind decating).
13 January 2010, 10:34 PM
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It really terrifys me reading this
last year nearly bought a 330s or Sti euro import but went the diesel wrxd route which i love and sold my Octavia every day car so i could kee p my classic as well ,love the car but am saving up for my next modle and thinking now after reading these horror stories of going the litchfield route STi or t25 or a yellow Spec -c rather then the uk route
They are a brillliant car despite these engine problems and so easy to live with day to day
hope everything goes well for you and get s sorted although confidence is a worry in the future for you after such a short time and mileage
when you bought a subaru they were designed for long life and absolute reliability
last year nearly bought a 330s or Sti euro import but went the diesel wrxd route which i love and sold my Octavia every day car so i could kee p my classic as well ,love the car but am saving up for my next modle and thinking now after reading these horror stories of going the litchfield route STi or t25 or a yellow Spec -c rather then the uk route
They are a brillliant car despite these engine problems and so easy to live with day to day
hope everything goes well for you and get s sorted although confidence is a worry in the future for you after such a short time and mileage
when you bought a subaru they were designed for long life and absolute reliability
13 January 2010, 11:17 PM
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It would be interesting to know:-
1. How many STi's have been sold in the UK - New Version
2. How many have actually failed
3. Under what conditions have they failed
and
4. Were they used on track or modified in any way
We could be seeing the tip of an iceburg - or, simply, a storm in a tea cup.
1. How many STi's have been sold in the UK - New Version
2. How many have actually failed
3. Under what conditions have they failed
and
4. Were they used on track or modified in any way
We could be seeing the tip of an iceburg - or, simply, a storm in a tea cup.
13 January 2010, 11:26 PM
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It would be interesting to know:-
1. How many STi's have been sold in the UK - New Version
2. How many have actually failed
3. Under what conditions have they failed
and
4. Were they used on track or modified in any way
We could be seeing the tip of an iceburg - or, simply, a storm in a tea cup.
1. How many STi's have been sold in the UK - New Version
2. How many have actually failed
3. Under what conditions have they failed
and
4. Were they used on track or modified in any way
We could be seeing the tip of an iceburg - or, simply, a storm in a tea cup.
13 January 2010, 11:58 PM
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It would be interesting to know:-
1. How many STi's have been sold in the UK - New Version
2. How many have actually failed
3. Under what conditions have they failed
and
4. Were they used on track or modified in any way
We could be seeing the tip of an iceburg - or, simply, a storm in a tea cup.
1. How many STi's have been sold in the UK - New Version
2. How many have actually failed
3. Under what conditions have they failed
and
4. Were they used on track or modified in any way
We could be seeing the tip of an iceburg - or, simply, a storm in a tea cup.
Could be very interesting reading!
14 January 2010, 12:00 AM
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Yes. Easy enough to log what is going on, get some det cans on it, wideband in the exhaust to make sure... before changing the cat or after.
I would suggest that it will overboost a fair amount if you removed the cat so would definitely need remapping both for safety and to improve the power (which I assume is the objective behind decating).
I would suggest that it will overboost a fair amount if you removed the cat so would definitely need remapping both for safety and to improve the power (which I assume is the objective behind decating).
What type of company/person would do this for me and what sort of cost are we looking at?
Thanks again.
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Quick update.
Lets just say I am getting pissed off
VERY pissed OFF
Dealer called me again last night and has confirmed LAN damage basically the all mentioned faults.
HOWEVER is STILL trying to say that it has run out of oil.
Apparantly someone from Subaru has read this post and is adamant that it has run out of oil and not sure if under warranty?
WTF!!!
The dealer is filing a report Mon/Tue to IM and I have to wait.
I will be am contacting IM on MONDAY SO>>>If anyone from anywhere is reading this please feel free to read on.
IF my car doesnt get fixed under warranty as it is less than a year old and broken through NO FAULT OF MINE other than the fact that I drive it you can have it back and get me another one!!
PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT IT IS MT 5th Subaru!!!!
Lets just say I am getting pissed off
VERY pissed OFF
Dealer called me again last night and has confirmed LAN damage basically the all mentioned faults.
HOWEVER is STILL trying to say that it has run out of oil.
Apparantly someone from Subaru has read this post and is adamant that it has run out of oil and not sure if under warranty?
WTF!!!
The dealer is filing a report Mon/Tue to IM and I have to wait.
I will be am contacting IM on MONDAY SO>>>If anyone from anywhere is reading this please feel free to read on.
IF my car doesnt get fixed under warranty as it is less than a year old and broken through NO FAULT OF MINE other than the fact that I drive it you can have it back and get me another one!!
PLEASE ALSO NOTE THAT IT IS MT 5th Subaru!!!!