Should Teachers be docked 3 days pay?
08 January 2010, 09:34 PM
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Teachers, in my opinion, should present themselves to the HeadTeacher of the nearest open school to where they live.
That Head will give them duties to carry out - a great chance to get to know other pupils and schools
To just lay about at home is a disgraceful waste of Teaching talent.
That Head will give them duties to carry out - a great chance to get to know other pupils and schools
To just lay about at home is a disgraceful waste of Teaching talent.
08 January 2010, 10:23 PM
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Despite the fact I agree that they should be paid if the school is closed, as it could be for a variety of reasons, the attitude above actually annoys me.
There will be alot of people out there at the moment, dragging themselves into work to be turned away without pay (and I'd imagine just from some people on this board that they aren't all in crap jobs) that would be happy to do alternative work in order to still be paid.
On top of that, if only I could take the attitude of 'it's not my job to sort out'. Granted, I have what you would call a rubbish job (shop), but we have had to go in despite the weather, relying in my case on (bad) public transport. Only due to some being less willing we have had to do jobs that aren't our jobs. We have our own workload to begin with, yet on top of that, we are having to do other people's as well. It's not our job, but you get on with it.
The carpark isn't our responsibility, nor our job to maintain, yet we are going out there helping people that have got stuck, helping clear it as best as possible (as we have no grit left).
It doesn't annoy me that teachers aren't going in if the school is closed (as they can work from home), but the attitude of 'it's not my job' does. It's exactly this sort of attitude that is grinding this country down.
There will be alot of people out there at the moment, dragging themselves into work to be turned away without pay (and I'd imagine just from some people on this board that they aren't all in crap jobs) that would be happy to do alternative work in order to still be paid.
On top of that, if only I could take the attitude of 'it's not my job to sort out'. Granted, I have what you would call a rubbish job (shop), but we have had to go in despite the weather, relying in my case on (bad) public transport. Only due to some being less willing we have had to do jobs that aren't our jobs. We have our own workload to begin with, yet on top of that, we are having to do other people's as well. It's not our job, but you get on with it.
The carpark isn't our responsibility, nor our job to maintain, yet we are going out there helping people that have got stuck, helping clear it as best as possible (as we have no grit left).
It doesn't annoy me that teachers aren't going in if the school is closed (as they can work from home), but the attitude of 'it's not my job' does. It's exactly this sort of attitude that is grinding this country down.
Hmm you missed the bit that the care takers couldnt sort it so what can the teacher do to sort the problem i know they are clever but common lets be realistic
08 January 2010, 10:28 PM
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And that's just the point, you see? Kiddies these days think the world owes them a living - and Teachers are no different!!
They SHOULD dig the school out - what's wrong with the lazy so-so's??
08 January 2010, 10:39 PM
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I am being general, about the attitude you have to things not being other people's jobs.
Just the same about your toilet cleaning comment. I'm not a cleaner, but have been asked to do that job amongst others, when needed, and have done.
I am not speaking about a specific situation, but you seem to think if something isn't written in a job role, then you should never do it. That's certainly coming across in your tone.
Oh, and it is possible to have a point of view, and voice it, without having to be insulting.
09 January 2010, 09:21 AM
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OK, the majority say pay them - I say they should be in clearing the site ..... not sat at home laughing at all those in the real world fight through the snow to do a days work (the people who only get 28 days holiday - not 70!!!!)
I still propose the best idea is for the Teachers to come in Half Term, end of May, - yes. maybe they have booked a week in the Bahamas - but though.
I still propose the best idea is for the Teachers to come in Half Term, end of May, - yes. maybe they have booked a week in the Bahamas - but though.
09 January 2010, 01:04 PM
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hypothetical situation.....
the school opens fully in the morning.
The 15-20cm of snow predicted for the day by the met office turns up causing carnage on the roads, bus & train cancellations etc...
how do the kids get home safely?
(I am not a teacher, and in '81 the only year I can remember it being like this I still walked to school like normal days, just left earlier, and school was open)
the school opens fully in the morning.
The 15-20cm of snow predicted for the day by the met office turns up causing carnage on the roads, bus & train cancellations etc...
how do the kids get home safely?
(I am not a teacher, and in '81 the only year I can remember it being like this I still walked to school like normal days, just left earlier, and school was open)
09 January 2010, 01:25 PM
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Groan,
You open "your" school and 20% of the kids turn up, so 80% are marked as unauthorised abscence... explain that to Ofsted.
The web is full of revision sites for kids, and asking nurses to clear hospital car-parks would be considered insane, despite many having lower qualifications than teachers...
You must be really bored stuck at home in the snow.
We opened all week but the single access road to work was so bad that I couldn't get "my" mini-bus back up the hill, and dumped it in a side street.
Less than 60% of the kids turned up, and 95% live within 2 miles.
100% of the staff turned up and had little to do except marking.
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You open "your" school and 20% of the kids turn up, so 80% are marked as unauthorised abscence... explain that to Ofsted.
The web is full of revision sites for kids, and asking nurses to clear hospital car-parks would be considered insane, despite many having lower qualifications than teachers...
You must be really bored stuck at home in the snow.
We opened all week but the single access road to work was so bad that I couldn't get "my" mini-bus back up the hill, and dumped it in a side street.
Less than 60% of the kids turned up, and 95% live within 2 miles.
100% of the staff turned up and had little to do except marking.
dunx
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09 January 2010, 01:47 PM
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you are a bunch of dopey basterds arent you. I remember the last teacher bashing thread. The reason they are closed is the schools have a responsibility to protect the kids from harm so if the school feels it isnt safe for the kids to walk in or the bus firms arent running like they haven't been here then there is no school.Its not for any other reason my wife teaches in a good school in liverpool and has been in for the last 2 days and only missed one day.
My work closed up and they didnt dock pay i suggest you look for better jobs and stop looking at ones with privilages , they actually get unlimited sick pay if you wanted to consider that in what you'd like to change about teaching perks.
Why do you all insist on writing such drivel in your spare time?
My work closed up and they didnt dock pay i suggest you look for better jobs and stop looking at ones with privilages , they actually get unlimited sick pay if you wanted to consider that in what you'd like to change about teaching perks.
Why do you all insist on writing such drivel in your spare time?
When I was at school we were expected to get in if possible and the school never closed up for the weather which was similar if not often worse than it is now.
We learned how to take care of ourselves and walked into school perfectly successfully without injury. If we slipped and fell over, we regarded it as a combination of carelessness and the adverse weather. No one went looking for the chance to sue someone.
H&S has gone beyond a joke now, everyone is frightened to ask others to do anything in case they get sued so the most ridiculous restrictions to normal life are being applied. I imagine the rest of the world is having a right laugh.
We will be ordered to eat with a spoon soon in case we injure ourselves with a knife and fork! And so it will go on. No one will venture outside the front door!
I do hope you don't work in H&S yourself. I would hate to risk offending you!
Les
09 January 2010, 02:18 PM
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Good grief, teachers shoveling snow and carrying out duties dished out by the head?! What a load of *****.
SSU, have you been into a school 'out of hours' ever? If you had I am sure that you would see that if the teachers did have to attend on days of closure, that they would have plenty more to do than the little jobs the head could find them.
You seem to be thinking in reverse about days when you had a supply teacher and you basically did sod all. It doesn't work like that when the children are not there.
It's pretty safe to say that the schools that have been closed for the last 3 days will be crapping themselves if they are FORCED to close again next week. They are probably quite concerned about playing catch up.
I understand your sentiments but I think that you have your priorities wrong when it comes to the actual reason why you are annoyed.
Do you care more about the fact the teachers are getting paid when the school is closed? Or the fact the 100's of children are missing out on their education?
SSU, have you been into a school 'out of hours' ever? If you had I am sure that you would see that if the teachers did have to attend on days of closure, that they would have plenty more to do than the little jobs the head could find them.
You seem to be thinking in reverse about days when you had a supply teacher and you basically did sod all. It doesn't work like that when the children are not there.
It's pretty safe to say that the schools that have been closed for the last 3 days will be crapping themselves if they are FORCED to close again next week. They are probably quite concerned about playing catch up.
I understand your sentiments but I think that you have your priorities wrong when it comes to the actual reason why you are annoyed.
Do you care more about the fact the teachers are getting paid when the school is closed? Or the fact the 100's of children are missing out on their education?
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09 January 2010, 03:13 PM
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So do 35% of the kids have no legs????
2 miles is only 45 minutes walk even in the snow (and probably only just over an hour including a few snowball fights, ice-sliding, snow angels, sledging etc) - and to think that we are hosting the next Olympics
What sort of children are we bringing up these days???
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2 miles is only 45 minutes walk even in the snow (and probably only just over an hour including a few snowball fights, ice-sliding, snow angels, sledging etc) - and to think that we are hosting the next Olympics
What sort of children are we bringing up these days???
mb
09 January 2010, 03:17 PM
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So do 35% of the kids have no legs????
2 miles is only 45 minutes walk even in the snow (and probably only just over an hour including a few snowball fights, ice-sliding, snow angels, sledging etc) - and to think that we are hosting the next Olympics
What sort of children are we bringing up these days???
mb
2 miles is only 45 minutes walk even in the snow (and probably only just over an hour including a few snowball fights, ice-sliding, snow angels, sledging etc) - and to think that we are hosting the next Olympics
What sort of children are we bringing up these days???
mb
09 January 2010, 03:51 PM
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The sad thing is that when i was a kid, if it snowed (and indeed it snowed a lot, not like the pathetic stuff over the last week), like all of my friends, we would get to school an hour early so that we could make the massivest ice-slide in the whole playground 
...and even getting in early, the school caretaker would have cleared paths in the snow from every gate to every doorway before we even got there!
mb
...and even getting in early, the school caretaker would have cleared paths in the snow from every gate to every doorway before we even got there!
mb
09 January 2010, 04:35 PM
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The sad thing is that when i was a kid, if it snowed (and indeed it snowed a lot, not like the pathetic stuff over the last week), like all of my friends, we would get to school an hour early so that we could make the massivest ice-slide in the whole playground
...and even getting in early, the school caretaker would have cleared paths in the snow from every gate to every doorway before we even got there!
mb
...and even getting in early, the school caretaker would have cleared paths in the snow from every gate to every doorway before we even got there!
mb
Not to make a slide or anything lol, but to get to dry out in the ladies before class! Also so that I could avoid the on mass snowball fights that would break out at the school gates just before 8.50!
I was never a huge fan of the snow, but there is a huge field behind my parent house, so it was always safe there. I remember making massive walls of snow on either side of the field and having massive snow ball fights with all the kids in the street. It seemed much more appealing when I had a nice warm house seconds away.
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09 January 2010, 05:24 PM
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You're not a Teacher in English, I hope? 
Not really - I'm out and about - working ...... like the bl00dy Teachers should be!!
Groan,
We opened all week but the single access road to work was so bad that I couldn't get "my" mini-bus back up the hill, and dumped it in a side street.
Less than 60% of the kids turned up, and 95% live within 2 miles.
100% of the staff turned up and had little to do except marking.
dunx
We opened all week but the single access road to work was so bad that I couldn't get "my" mini-bus back up the hill, and dumped it in a side street.
Less than 60% of the kids turned up, and 95% live within 2 miles.
100% of the staff turned up and had little to do except marking.
dunx
So? you want a medal just for doing what 99.9% of the population is doing - going to work? Typical Teacher! I monitor the bike sheds - gimme extra money ... I look after the noticeboard - gimme extra money ........ take, take, take, take .....
Any more Groans ... Teach?
09 January 2010, 05:29 PM
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I understand that you do not appreciate what goes on at the higher levels in 'your' school .... let me try to explain for you - the Head would 'Authorise' the absence (yes, that's how it's spelt) - OFSTED problem solved You're not a Teacher in English, I hope?
Nurses have patients to look after, in your analogy above most of the kids haven't turned up - so, Teachers can shovel the Car Park ..... It does you no favours whatsoever to rubbish Nurses like you have, their Qualifications are every bit as worthy as a Teachers!
Not really - I'm out and about - working ...... like the bl00dy Teachers should be!!
Well done!!!!
So? you want a medal just for doing what 99.9% of the population is doing - going to work? Typical Teacher! I monitor the bike sheds - gimme extra money ... I look after the noticeboard - gimme extra money ........ take, take, take, take .....
Any more Groans ... Teach?
You're not a Teacher in English, I hope? Nurses have patients to look after, in your analogy above most of the kids haven't turned up - so, Teachers can shovel the Car Park ..... It does you no favours whatsoever to rubbish Nurses like you have, their Qualifications are every bit as worthy as a Teachers!
Not really - I'm out and about - working ...... like the bl00dy Teachers should be!!
Well done!!!!
So? you want a medal just for doing what 99.9% of the population is doing - going to work? Typical Teacher! I monitor the bike sheds - gimme extra money ... I look after the noticeboard - gimme extra money ........ take, take, take, take .....
Any more Groans ... Teach?
09 January 2010, 06:04 PM
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no but dont you think if someone and in this case 7 people are employed to do the job and cant then really that says it all with no grit on the grounds spades are defeated
09 January 2010, 06:15 PM
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I'm not missing any point.
I am being general, about the attitude you have to things not being other people's jobs.
Just the same about your toilet cleaning comment. I'm not a cleaner, but have been asked to do that job amongst others, when needed, and have done.
I am not speaking about a specific situation, but you seem to think if something isn't written in a job role, then you should never do it. That's certainly coming across in your tone.
Oh, and it is possible to have a point of view, and voice it, without having to be insulting.
I am being general, about the attitude you have to things not being other people's jobs.
Just the same about your toilet cleaning comment. I'm not a cleaner, but have been asked to do that job amongst others, when needed, and have done.
I am not speaking about a specific situation, but you seem to think if something isn't written in a job role, then you should never do it. That's certainly coming across in your tone.
Oh, and it is possible to have a point of view, and voice it, without having to be insulting.
I think people are too quick to jump on the teacher bashing thread as there jobs dont have as many benefits ie holidays or flexibility to work and plan in your OWN time. It is not me who is a teacher it is my wife and she doesnt want to be off work like some people seem to think on here. I have taken her to and from work for the last 3 days on my days off/leui time to make sure she is safe and if it snows again on Sunday/ Monday she wont be going in payed or otherwise.I dont think it is the fact teachers are paid i think it is more the inconvenience it is to parents when they have to ring up there work to say they wont be in as they have to stay at home with the kids.
And for the 3 days of the year we have had snow is it really that important.
My company has paid over 80 hours for work that hasnt been undertaken due to the poor weather as contracts had to be paid if your employer doesnt pay this then the question you have to ask yourselves is what sort of a company are you working for?
09 January 2010, 06:19 PM
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Thank you for your impressively polite post!
When I was at school we were expected to get in if possible and the school never closed up for the weather which was similar if not often worse than it is now.
We learned how to take care of ourselves and walked into school perfectly successfully without injury. If we slipped and fell over, we regarded it as a combination of carelessness and the adverse weather. No one went looking for the chance to sue someone.
H&S has gone beyond a joke now, everyone is frightened to ask others to do anything in case they get sued so the most ridiculous restrictions to normal life are being applied. I imagine the rest of the world is having a right laugh.
We will be ordered to eat with a spoon soon in case we injure ourselves with a knife and fork! And so it will go on. No one will venture outside the front door!
I do hope you don't work in H&S yourself. I would hate to risk offending you!
Les
When I was at school we were expected to get in if possible and the school never closed up for the weather which was similar if not often worse than it is now.
We learned how to take care of ourselves and walked into school perfectly successfully without injury. If we slipped and fell over, we regarded it as a combination of carelessness and the adverse weather. No one went looking for the chance to sue someone.
H&S has gone beyond a joke now, everyone is frightened to ask others to do anything in case they get sued so the most ridiculous restrictions to normal life are being applied. I imagine the rest of the world is having a right laugh.
We will be ordered to eat with a spoon soon in case we injure ourselves with a knife and fork! And so it will go on. No one will venture outside the front door!
I do hope you don't work in H&S yourself. I would hate to risk offending you!
Les
I think health and saftey is mad and i do agree alot of businesses and schools could make more effort to continue and be more prepared for this bad weather but its not the teachers decision to cancel school for the day or week, just as its not the sales advisor that shuts the shop or the bus driver for the buses not running understand
09 January 2010, 06:49 PM
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My kids school has been shut since Wednesday.
The local play school which is virtually next door( where parents pay fees ) has been open.
Says it all to me.
The local play school which is virtually next door( where parents pay fees ) has been open.
Says it all to me.
09 January 2010, 07:08 PM
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Quite ......
I do think that there will be a parental backlash - maybe not right now, but wait until the Teachers DEMAND a high payrise this year and threaten strike action!!
Remember that Teachers get TWO payrises a year - yes, I know, staggering in this day and age .... but they do. An incremental rise and then the annual rise!!
I do think that there will be a parental backlash - maybe not right now, but wait until the Teachers DEMAND a high payrise this year and threaten strike action!!
Remember that Teachers get TWO payrises a year - yes, I know, staggering in this day and age .... but they do. An incremental rise and then the annual rise!!
09 January 2010, 07:10 PM
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Graeme, I only ever replied to the tone/attitude of your posts.
Go back and read my replies, as I never once said teachers should be shovelling snow (that was Pete). I just replied to the fact it seemed in two of your posts, that you feel people shouldn't be expected to do anything other than 'their' job.
As I have said in this thread, if the school is closed whatever the exact reason, teachers should be paid as it is not their choice that the school was closed. (I said that in both the posts I've made on this thread). And it would appear alot of people who have posted feel the same. So far from a teacher bashing thread.
Go back and read my replies, as I never once said teachers should be shovelling snow (that was Pete). I just replied to the fact it seemed in two of your posts, that you feel people shouldn't be expected to do anything other than 'their' job.
As I have said in this thread, if the school is closed whatever the exact reason, teachers should be paid as it is not their choice that the school was closed. (I said that in both the posts I've made on this thread). And it would appear alot of people who have posted feel the same. So far from a teacher bashing thread.
10 January 2010, 12:27 PM
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No problem Lesley
I think health and saftey is mad and i do agree alot of businesses and schools could make more effort to continue and be more prepared for this bad weather but its not the teachers decision to cancel school for the day or week, just as its not the sales advisor that shuts the shop or the bus driver for the buses not running understand
I think health and saftey is mad and i do agree alot of businesses and schools could make more effort to continue and be more prepared for this bad weather but its not the teachers decision to cancel school for the day or week, just as its not the sales advisor that shuts the shop or the bus driver for the buses not running understand
I have lost count of those who try to take the **** by mispelling my name deliberately. It is usually those who are a bit short when it comes to trying to display their sparkling wit. They always seem to wind up scraping the barrel!
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10 January 2010, 12:48 PM
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I work in a school as support staff. We have been closed since last wednesday and I for one can't wait to get back
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Wed - CLOSED - not enough teaching staff could get in
Thurs - the local council closed all schools
Fri - we couldn't open because the site was not safe, there was alot of ice, etc. The council made a great point of saying that the site must be safe in order to open.
On Friday - I believe the caretaker, TA and Deputy Head was clearing one entrance which was solid ice. Wish they had rang me because I would have gone along to help, was only sat at home doing nothing.
Today I (along with my hubby, the caretaker and another member of support staff) have just been up to school to clear safe pathways to get into the buildings, as well as clear fire exits, salt and gritted them. So hopefully we will be back to school tomorrow.
The Head rang me on the way back and said I hear you have been clearing the grounds, to which she was very grateful and can't wait to get back in herself.
I know our teachers want to get back as well, just hope they can all get there tomorrow.
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Wed - CLOSED - not enough teaching staff could get in
Thurs - the local council closed all schools
Fri - we couldn't open because the site was not safe, there was alot of ice, etc. The council made a great point of saying that the site must be safe in order to open.
On Friday - I believe the caretaker, TA and Deputy Head was clearing one entrance which was solid ice. Wish they had rang me because I would have gone along to help, was only sat at home doing nothing.
Today I (along with my hubby, the caretaker and another member of support staff) have just been up to school to clear safe pathways to get into the buildings, as well as clear fire exits, salt and gritted them. So hopefully we will be back to school tomorrow.
The Head rang me on the way back and said I hear you have been clearing the grounds, to which she was very grateful and can't wait to get back in herself.
I know our teachers want to get back as well, just hope they can all get there tomorrow.