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Yes as stated a standard pug 306 gti in good mechanical condition v a standard UK turbo or wrx will give it a very good run for its money, people forget alot of things, gearing being one of them, the gti-6 is geared 20mph lower than a uk car, they also normally push out a little bit more than the quoted figure (most are 175-180bhp), the engines were detuned from the factory, they were going to be 200bhp but peugeot decided that was too much for a fwd hatch (probably after seeing Seat's attempt )
Dont underestimate alot of the hot hatches out there, most are deceptively quick (turbo's mean jack, its just a way of getting power cheaply).
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Dont underestimate alot of the hot hatches out there, most are deceptively quick (turbo's mean jack, its just a way of getting power cheaply).
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Totally agree, I was blown away by the 205 GTi when I was given a 'demonstration' as an 18 year old. My mate has one in work, and he is off to Cyprus for three years. He is on about leaving it in his mums back garden . I am gradually bringing him over to my way of thinking, ie. selling it to me for not much! Id look after it!
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Totally agree, I was blown away by the 205 GTi when I was given a 'demonstration' as an 18 year old. My mate has one in work, and he is off to Cyprus for three years. He is on about leaving it in his mums back garden . I am gradually bringing him over to my way of thinking, ie. selling it to me for not much! Id look after it!
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Tony, I dont disagree with you, but having driven a couple of GTi-6s and numerous other hot hatches of tbat era, I find they were pretty gutless. I would imagine the extra engineering of chassis to cope with 200bhp would have been financially prohibitive, and they couldnt cost cut on the interior and overall build quality any more, could they?
The chassis would be able to cope with 200bhp, as proven on a few occasions, along with the clutch and gearbox (plus the brakes were better than anything subaru put on a classic ), they were an awesome car when they came out, costing 18.5k new and even now they are a good hot hatch, though the electrical "niggles" that all pugs suffer from (mainly the wonderful design of the inter door/car looms ) make them quite a bargain (just watch the cambelts are changed at 36k as they had a tendancy to snap )
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Not sure how you can describe them as "gutless" as they still have more torque than several of todays modern hot hatches, they are far from gutless, their 0-100 is still pretty impressive, sub 20's for a hatch that came out 14 years ago... only about 2 secs off a similar aged subaru impreza turbo of the same era.
The chassis would be able to cope with 200bhp, as proven on a few occasions, along with the clutch and gearbox (plus the brakes were better than anything subaru put on a classic ), they were an awesome car when they came out, costing 18.5k new and even now they are a good hot hatch, though the electrical "niggles" that all pugs suffer from (mainly the wonderful design of the inter door/car looms ) make them quite a bargain (just watch the cambelts are changed at 36k as they had a tendancy to snap )
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The chassis would be able to cope with 200bhp, as proven on a few occasions, along with the clutch and gearbox (plus the brakes were better than anything subaru put on a classic ), they were an awesome car when they came out, costing 18.5k new and even now they are a good hot hatch, though the electrical "niggles" that all pugs suffer from (mainly the wonderful design of the inter door/car looms ) make them quite a bargain (just watch the cambelts are changed at 36k as they had a tendancy to snap )
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Im not looking to criticize another marque to massage the rep of my car, as it is a Bugeye WRX with a relatively small list of things done, and I cant defend the indefensible.
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Tony, Im not looking for an argument about this so I will explain that my experience of gutless is driving experience. Also, as we all know, numbers dont make the car, the driving experience does, and as my experience was with different cars, I have no reason to think I was driving a dud.
Im not looking to criticize another marque to massage the rep of my car, as it is a Bugeye WRX with a relatively small list of things done, and I cant defend the indefensible.
Im not looking to criticize another marque to massage the rep of my car, as it is a Bugeye WRX with a relatively small list of things done, and I cant defend the indefensible.
Owned 3 GTI-6's, last one quite happily kept up with a blob wrx (03 plate standard car) in and through the gears, and yes he was trying, trying that much that he did some really stupid manouvres to show me how much of a good driver he was nearly killing a few people in the process but saying that, my spec c didnt feel that quick but outpaced E46 M3's (and yes they were trying also )
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You had a dud
Owened 3 GTI-6's, last one quite happily kept up with a blob wrx (03 plate standard car) in and through the gears, and yes he was trying, trying that much that he did some really stupid manouvres to show me how much of a good driver he was nearly killing a few people in the process but saying that, my spec c didnt feel that quick but outpaced E46 M3's (and yes they were trying also )
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Owened 3 GTI-6's, last one quite happily kept up with a blob wrx (03 plate standard car) in and through the gears, and yes he was trying, trying that much that he did some really stupid manouvres to show me how much of a good driver he was nearly killing a few people in the process but saying that, my spec c didnt feel that quick but outpaced E46 M3's (and yes they were trying also )
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As for the 'dud' comment, they must have all been duds, ......but....... as you have had long term ownership of the vehicle in question, I shall bow to your better knowledge.
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I had 2 Impreza's and thought i wanted something more civilized but still quick but(hard to explain) to get the best out of a M3 you got to rag it all the time to get that feeling the away an Impreza feels(maybe due to the M3 being N/A and Impreza being a Turbo)and it was that feeling that i miss.
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Thats because too many Scoobs fall into the "lexus light" brigade Saying that, it's not battered old classics the chavs seem to have, plenty of newage owners seem to hoon it everywhere now, especially round my area.
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I dont think its necessarily that the classics prices have dropped into the chavs wage bracket, it is the chavs wages can now cover the price of a newage. Ive seen some Bugeyes, already ugly, treated to another few rounds with the ugly sparring partner by someone with more money than taste.
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My old jdm bug gave an m3 plenty of grief. He chased me down a long bypass one damp evening. To be fair he was catching me until we hit a long sweeping bend where he must have had some rear end issues and just couldnt close the gap.. He initially went to overtake just off a round about on a short straight didint have the legs though. At the next roundabout he pulled along side and the rotten git called me wnaker. I laughed and went left he cursed and set off like a loonatic straight on to the next bypass to pick on a ctr
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The ones that spring to mind (apart from the obligatory 93 silver WRX with lexus lights ) are a 52 plate Red Bull stickered up Bugeye (which is actually driven by my Mrs friends boyfriend ), a 54 plate black Blobeye WRX and a 51 playe Bugeye GX driven by some chavvy looking lass
Do you drive a silver Blob STi by any chance
Do you drive a silver Blob STi by any chance
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Noooo thats not me, but ive seen him driving like a tit quite often, ha know what you mean re the lexus lights WRX, dont think ive seen the bugeye that wishes it had wings, and cudos to the GX for trying
The ones that spring to mind (apart from the obligatory 93 silver WRX with lexus lights ) are a 52 plate Red Bull stickered up Bugeye (which is actually driven by my Mrs friends boyfriend ), a 54 plate black Blobeye WRX and a 51 playe Bugeye GX driven by some chavvy looking lass
Do you drive a silver Blob STi by any chance
Do you drive a silver Blob STi by any chance
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Sorry to get this back to the top again BUT, can we just compare like for like for a minute (just humour me), the modded gti-6 that all this fuss was originally about was i beleive a modded top spec pug hot hatch and also a tuners car running approx 2 1/2 times its factory output and comparing it to a scoob in an unknown state of tune, so the only fair thing to do would be to compare it to a 750bhp spec-c tuners car, i wonder what the outcome would be........................................ ....
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I've been wondering about the gti6 for a couple of weeks now, as I had a bit of a run-in with one down the motorway goin to brighton on new years. He came bombing down lane 3, so I let him past. He waited for me to pull back out behind him, then he floored it. So I did the same, thinking i'd go bumper-to-bumper in a couple of seconds.
It was strange because he wasn't getting away from me, but nor was I catching up with him? I was very suprised to say the least.
I have a completely standard my99 turbo btw.
It was strange because he wasn't getting away from me, but nor was I catching up with him? I was very suprised to say the least.
I have a completely standard my99 turbo btw.