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Old 03 February 2010, 09:26 AM
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Originally Posted by bmposer
My concern is the outlet pipe from the cooler, (where it goes in between the rad and the cambelt cover on its way to the throttle body) as its quite tight there and the aluminium rad is thicker than the standard one.
I'll be ordering a couple later today and I happen to have a Hybrid HDI FMIC on my own classic so I'll trial fit it when it arrives if you like?

I have no engine in at the minute though, but the FMIC and pipework are still in place I will bold the rad in and see how the clearance looks.
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Any pics of one fitted yet ?
Old 08 February 2010, 05:05 PM
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I have a couple heading my way so I will get some pics up when they arrive.

As always a pleasure to deal with Apex!!!
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Old 08 February 2010, 05:10 PM
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Iv got one due here tomorrow
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Just wanted to say a big thanks to Ann and Bren at Apex.
First time buyer from them and all I can say is very pleasant people to deal with, superb communication and spot on delivery times!

Will definitely be using your service again
Old 08 February 2010, 09:18 PM
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Collected mine today, pleasure doing business guys

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Originally Posted by duncatr
I'll be ordering a couple later today and I happen to have a Hybrid HDI FMIC on my own classic so I'll trial fit it when it arrives if you like?

I have no engine in at the minute though, but the FMIC and pipework are still in place I will bold the rad in and see how the clearance looks.
Hi there, that would be great if you could
Old 09 February 2010, 10:33 PM
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I'd imagine they should be here tomorow so will fit one when I have a chance.
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Rads are here!!!!

I've taken 1 out of the box and it looks very good quality so far.
I'll try and pop out to the garage tonight and trial fit it if I have time and will post up a pic. No engine mind so wont see how close it is to the engine etc.
Old 11 February 2010, 11:19 PM
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Well all I can say is that the build quality looks really good but the fit is not as good.

Its a bit too tall and a bit too wide.

I placed the rad into the bottom 2 locating dowels and right away I could see there was going to be a bit of fouling on the bottom of the front pannel

The rad was leaning into the centre of the engine bay. due to the end tanks fouling on the bottom of the chassis.

I gently offered the rad up to the front pannel at the top and could see that it was also too tall. I managed to fit the bracket on the drivers side but it is a fair bit off and only just clamps on the front pannel. I'll fix that with a longer bolt and some washers later when I come to fit it properly.

The pax side bracket was further off. bolt would not even start.

When I removed it I had belt the bottom locating dowels, not big deal again but shows that its a fair bit off and not a diret fit. As my car is a track toy I dont find cutting and bashing but for a pride and joy road car I would not be considering this item.

No idea on function yet and probably wont know for a few months Sorry.

Some pics that may explain a little better:-








I'll get some side by side pics with the oe rad and with the FMIC pipe in place at the weekend for those that want to see it.

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Old 12 February 2010, 10:56 AM
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I cant see the pics at work, but it doesn't bode well. The whole reason I bought this was on the assurance that it was a direct fit. If it isn't, then it wont be fit for purpose.
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Pop round and have a look if you wish, before taking your car apart. Mine is in lots of pieces anyway LOL.

I plan to put the FMIC pipe in at the weekend to show how tight thats going to be for the others. Not an issue for me as I will be running my FMIC upsides down with a front entry inlet.
Old 12 February 2010, 11:12 AM
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Forgot to say, I'll also have a look to see if there is a quick fix. I was thinking today - If the rubber gromets on the bottom were chopped down that would lower it. Or cut and re-fit the tabs the lower dowels lotate into. although I dont want the bottom exposed too much.

Also thought about having the lower locating dowels moved further forward to stop fouling on the chassis. That obvously means the rad sits deeper and closer to the timing belt covers. Not such a big deal for me as I plan to have the fans between the rad and the FMIC, but not so good for the majority looking for a drop in solution.
Old 12 February 2010, 12:39 PM
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Bren- need an answer on this subject. After all, these were bought as "direct drop-in".

Any advice to offer?
Old 12 February 2010, 02:01 PM
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Sorry for the late reply, I didnt realise there were multiple replies on here.

First and foremost, you guys dont need to worry, Apex will not leave you high and dry, have no concerns on that front

The design of our rad is based on the design of a tried and tested big brand item. And should therfore pose no issues. However Im not happy with that so went to some pains to test fit, test fit and test fit for a third time to double check there would be no issues.

We test fitted one in a car with no engine and it dropped straight in, no problems. However I wasnt happy with that with it not having an engine so we also sent one to another customer to fit to a running vehicle again again, he reported back that it dropped straight in, no issues.

I wanted another source of feedback so asked Richard Henry Autos, our local Impreza sepcialist, to try one when he had a suitbable car in. He reported that the rad touched the aircon rad. However the car had also been involved in an impact earlier in its life which could easily have bent the aircon rad hence causing the issues. The other possibility is that the second customer didnt have aircon fitted.

I went back to him to the second customer double check that he did have aircon and to get some pictures. He confirmed that his car did indeed have aircon and that, although close, the rad didnt foul at any point. I asked him for pictures to verify which he kindly supplied.

The second customer only had a phone camera to hand but here, this is his install all done and dusted:



This is the feedback we recieved from the second customer, posted in reverse order as per the emails bounced back and forth:

"Not a problem at all. It’s a shame you’re so far away as I would have happily popped in to let you have a look over for yourself / take measurements / pictures etc

I hope that shows all you need, it’s a good job you said don’t worry about sexy shots lol

One good turn deserves another and you were good enough to sort me out at short notice so I’m happy to help in return. If you do get the group buy up and running feel free to either use the shots I have sent or I can get some more after a good clean if you wish.

Thanks again

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From: Bren [mailto:Bren@apexperformance.co.uk]
Sent: 25 January 2010 10:28
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

Thats perfect, thankyou very much.

Regards, Bren

Apex Performance Parts Ltd
Europes leading Nissan 200SX performance parts specialist

3500sq/ft warehouse holding over half a million pounds worth of go faster bits!

Tel: +44 (0)1274 683633
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Unit 4D
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Sent: 25 January 2010 08:46
To: Bren
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

Hi Bren

Please find attached the best of a bad bunch of photo’s trying to show what you’re after. You can just about see that the rad and the aircon rad sit very close but not quite touching.

If you need anything more please let me know and if I can help I will.

Kind regards

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Sent: 22 January 2010 14:04
To: 'Bren'
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

Okey dokey – I’ll do my best!

I’ve copied my home email in so I can reply from home over the weekend

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From: Bren [mailto:Bren@apexperformance.co.uk]
Sent: 22 January 2010 13:35
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

Dont worry about removing the bumper, I could just do with any shot you can get from the engine bay side that shows the relationship between the air con rad and our rad. Its just for my piece of mind, it doesnt have to be a sexy shot.

Thanks.

Regards, Bren

Apex Performance Parts Ltd
Europes leading Nissan 200SX performance parts specialist

3500sq/ft warehouse holding over half a million pounds worth of go faster bits!

Tel: +44 (0)1274 683633
Fax: +44 (0)1274 683636

Unit 4D
Wharfedale Road
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Bradford
BD4 6SG
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Sent: 22 January 2010 13:31
To: Bren
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

I won’t be able to get one today but I will certainly have a look at the weekend. The only problem I have is I’m not very hands on and it would require the bumper to be removed if I’m not mistaken. I have a 22b replica bumper so don’t think you would be able to see the radiators with it in situe. I can’t promise I can get the exact shot you are after but I will certainly try to. If I can’t get a picture I should be able to get some measurements for you if that would help at all?

I take it you would need a picture from the top looking down to see how the two sit together?

Another point to note is that my car has had a slight knock (before my ownership I might add!) on the front passenger side. It pushed back the front left of the car (ie the car ran into a raised verge type of accident) but most of this superficial damage was corrected by the garage before the fitting of the radiator.

Kind regards

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From: Bren [mailto:Bren@apexperformance.co.uk]
Sent: 22 January 2010 12:29
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

If you could get a pic showing how the rad sits in relation to the air con rad then that would be great.

Its just that we have multiple test fits of the product and Ive had feedback from the other tester that the rad fouls on the air con rad. However theres a chance that the car the other guy is using has been involved in an impact which has moved the position of the air con rad cauing the issue.

Regards, Bren

Apex Performance Parts Ltd
Europes leading Nissan 200SX performance parts specialist

3500sq/ft warehouse holding over half a million pounds worth of go faster bits!

Tel: +44 (0)1274 683633
Fax: +44 (0)1274 683636

Unit 4D
Wharfedale Road
Euroway Industrial Estate
Bradford
BD4 6SG
UK

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Sent: 22 January 2010 12:16
To: Bren
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

Hi Bren

In a word – yes!

Do you need any further pictures or anything as I’m happy to help if I can

Kind regards

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From: Bren [mailto:Bren@apexperformance.co.uk]
Sent: 22 January 2010 11:57
Subject: RE: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

Hi,

Is your car fitted with air conditioning?

Regards, Bren

Apex Performance Parts Ltd
Europes leading Nissan 200SX performance parts specialist

3500sq/ft warehouse holding over half a million pounds worth of go faster bits!

Tel: +44 (0)1274 683633
Fax: +44 (0)1274 683636

Unit 4D
Wharfedale Road
Euroway Industrial Estate
Bradford
BD4 6SG
UK

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Sent: 18 January 2010 09:16
To: Bren
Subject: GC8 impreza ali radiator feedback

Morning Bren.

First of all I would like to say thank you for sending the aluminium radiator to me at such short notice and with the group buy discount. I appreciate the help in getting me back on the road asap.

Please find attached a small amount of feed back that I have managed to collate so far having received the car back from my friendly garage on Friday. The only observation I have about the car following the fitting of the aluminium radiator is that it now runs a few degrees cooler. The water temp gauge states normal running of around 72-76 degrees depending on the how long, how fast, ambient temp as you will already know. The car used to run at about 80 degrees with the standard radiator.

The radiator is a lot larger than the standard radiator and as such there were two small areas of modification needed to get it in and correctly situated. Neither of these areas are major headaches and can basically be done with a decent pair of scissors and 10 minutes hard graft.

The first area of modification needed in to the hoses that take the water to and from the radiator. Due to the aluminium radiator being much deeper than a standard radiator these needed shortening by taking a small amount off each end of the hoses. Hand in hand with this goes the breather pipe that runs across the top of the standard radiator. This had to be relocated to behind the aluminium radiator and as such to make the best job of it two brackets needed to be made, this is not necessary but will make things look a little nicer.

The second area of modification is, as you mentioned, the radiator sits very close to the slam panel. All that was needed to address this situation was a small length of rubber hose cut open and placed in-between the radiator and the slam panel.

I have enclosed three pictures that I hope help explain visually what I have said above. Please feel free to contact me if you have any further questions or you would like some more pictures etc etc

Again, I am very grateful for your assistance so if you need anything further from me to repay the favour please let me know.

Kind regards"

Has another else installed their rad yet?

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Old 12 February 2010, 02:47 PM
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Haven't fitted mine yet, however it is exactly the same size (and fitment) as another alloy rad i had from another company, and that one fitted fine, so i'm confident it'll fit.

(the other rad had issues with the pipes, but they seem fine on the Apex one)

Am hoping to fit it this weekend, so will let you know
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My car has never been smashed so that should not be causing an issue.
My car was a UK turbo with air con - now removed.
And as you can see from the pics there is no engine in the car so I am very much working with as much room to move around as possible!! My oe rad fits stright in there no issues and its acually the second oe rad I've had, so I know that any oe rad fits in there.

I'm going to see if I can get it to sit lower by reducing the size of the rubber locating gromets. But the biggest issue is seen in my second picture. The rad fouls on the chasis meaning it wont come far enough forward for an oe fit. Sorry but thats how it sits in the car and I aint no stranger to fitting the odd car part.
Like I say I'm happy to bash away and make mine fit, but just wanted to point this out to the guys looking for a straight drop in solution.
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Dremel the hole a smidge backward shouldn't foul the chassis, had the same with my JP ebay one, 5 min job.
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Well just my two cents worth. I'm just in the process of stripping my engine bay but I thought i'd quickly check the situation with fit. The radiator dropped in snuggly just missing my headers but located fine into the mounting holes at the bottom.

It does though seem to sit taller than the OE radiator. I measured the radiator height from and the OE one comes in at 428mm and the Alloy one is 434mm. As you'll see in the pictures this cause a small issue when trying to use the standard brackets to secure the top of the radiator.
I'm sure this can be solved by just cutting the rubber bung on the bottom down which will help to lover the radiator.

My biggest concern in the the position on the holes on the top of the radiator for which the rubber bungs fit into. On mine the holes do no not line up they are about 20mm to far to the right. Again I'm thinking a quick redrill of some holes in the fixing bar and this should solve that.

























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I will spend a little more time looking at it tomorrow and see whats what.
I was maybe a little too quick to pass comment. If there are 3 or 4 out there working fine then its possible I've done something silly (again!! )

Will see what tomorrow says.
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Fitted mine today and the car has a HDI fmic, it is defo not a direct fit and needs a bit of fiddling about to get it sitting snugly and not catching on anything. Also you are better running just one fan as the passenger side one, unless trimmed will foul the intercooler pipe.

Performance wise it is about the same as a standard radiator, not a job to do on a drive unless you can jack the front of the car and have help.

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Cheers Banny. Thought I was just missing something or doing something silly for a minute there. LOL
As said above I'm happy to fiddle with mine and know I will make it fit, my car wont be going together for a while yet.... was just trying to give feedback for those looking for a straight forward drop in solution.

You can run fans on the other side between the FMIC and the rad and have them "blow" instead of "suck" (ooh er MRS!!) LOL

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As they are supposed to be oe fit what's being done?
I was about to order one but it appears that some people are saying that they are not oe fit. I've air con, two fans and a front mount so it's stacking up against me here. Sounds silly I know but why can't they they they be made to exact sizes as they should be , sounds like the quality control is not as good as everyone hoped but the odd one here and there is ok.
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Ok guys, if these are direct fit then I can only apologise. I thought Id been thorough with my testing but if there are issues then evidently not. If anyones bought one and wants to send it back for a full refund then you are of course more than welcome to do so, just give us a ring on 01274 683633 to arrange.

I will endevour to have one fitted to a local car so I can check them out for myself.

We did buy our own STi6 so we could test these products on our own vehcile but someone pulled out in front of it last year and wrote it off. We bought an 1993 RA some years ago with the same intention but someone nicked that within three months of buying it

As such we reply on feedback from independent customers and everything seemed 100% ok, evidently somethings amiss somewhere.

I can only apologise.
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No worries Bren. Its good to see aftersales like that!!

Anyone can have issues with their product, but good sevice is measured by what people do about the issues.

As stated, I'm happy to keep mine and will make it fit when I need it.

Thanks

Duncan
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Thansk for that

Its embarrasing, frustrating and confusing as to whats gone wrong. Not to mention dissapointing for you guys. I wouldnt mind so much if I had an answer, even if it meant I could hold my hands up and say "ah, yeah, bollocks, my fault" as Ive not a clue as to why they appeared to drop in exactly as specced with one car and then not another.

More digging required, Ill get on it
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Originally Posted by duncatr
No worries Bren. Its good to see aftersales like that!!

Anyone can have issues with their product, but good sevice is measured by what people do about the issues.

As stated, I'm happy to keep mine and will make it fit when I need it.

Thanks

Duncan
Duncan, you got a ball park idea of how long it'd take to get it to fit? I'll be paying WUZ to fit it and if its going to take 3 hours and some obvious bodging in the engine bay, then its a no-go for me.

Cheers.
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Mine is fitted but would not want to return it anyway as im sick of changing the standard ones, had mine fitted in around a couple of hours on a drive. Hardest part was to get the rad to sit correctly in its mounting place.

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Originally Posted by bren@apex
Thansk for that

Its embarrasing, frustrating and confusing as to whats gone wrong. Not to mention dissapointing for you guys. I wouldnt mind so much if I had an answer, even if it meant I could hold my hands up and say "ah, yeah, bollocks, my fault" as Ive not a clue as to why they appeared to drop in exactly as specced with one car and then not another.

More digging required, Ill get on it
I'd very much like to order one but I'm not in a position to start hacking either the car or the new rad just to make it fit. I was very close to placing an order on the last GB but again fitting issues prevented me from going ahead
Can it be that difficult to make a direct replacement?
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Originally Posted by rossyboy
Duncan, you got a ball park idea of how long it'd take to get it to fit? I'll be paying WUZ to fit it and if its going to take 3 hours and some obvious bodging in the engine bay, then its a no-go for me.

Cheers.

Ross - Wuz is home on Thursday and he's helping me move house on Friday (Or at least he was last I heard) We will have a look at mine then or over the weekend and work out what is required to make it fit properly. That way all the background work is done and we will know exactly what to do when it comes to your car.

Banny said 3 hours but once you do the first one and know the fit required the time will come down considerably. Plus with my engine out we will have lots of room to move it about and see whats needed.

Besides at Wuz's rates it will cost very little.
I think the quality of the rad is very good and worth the effort but at the end of the day its up to you.

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