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06 February 2010, 10:18 PM
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For the purpose of this thread though, I live in a bought ex-council house. I wouldn't consider myself poor when you think how bad some people have it in life but I'm far from well off.
Anyway, your gathering of facts is pointless if you are only going to ask people who still smoke what social standing they have. There are plenty of ex-smokers out there, and I bet they come from various walks of life. The real difference between them and me is they have managed to quit, and thus far, I haven't.
07 February 2010, 12:27 AM
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07 February 2010, 01:15 AM
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At the risk of being a sanctimonious little pr1ck (whats new) then if you really want to quit, then you will be able to - it's all too easy to say "oh, I'll just have one more...."
If you want it, you will do it.
Cold turkey 16 years ago on 30+ a day - just need to sort out the same on the beer...
If you want it, you will do it.
Cold turkey 16 years ago on 30+ a day - just need to sort out the same on the beer...
07 February 2010, 01:23 AM
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At the risk of being a sanctimonious little pr1ck (whats new) then if you really want to quit, then you will be able to - it's all too easy to say "oh, I'll just have one more...."
If you want it, you will do it.
Cold turkey 16 years ago on 30+ a day - just need to sort out the same on the beer...
If you want it, you will do it.
Cold turkey 16 years ago on 30+ a day - just need to sort out the same on the beer...
I don't really want to, it's my choice. If I REALLY wanted to, I'd have managed no matter how hard I thought it would be/was. Same for you with the beer.
It's not about how dangerous something is, how smelly it is, how stupid it is or any other negative, it's about wanting to do it as I said earlier. What makes a person do it varies.
07 February 2010, 09:08 AM
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I used to smoke 20 a day until my first son was born and then I stopped.
I tried cold turkey and it didn't work so I used the patches and they worked great.
I slipped back onto them for a few months a couple of years later but soon knocked it on the head again.
When people are talking about the revenue being down from smokers, I agree it's probably down to a lot of people quitting smoking but I would suspect it's also down to the availability of cheap european ciggies.
As an ex-smoker I do find the smell horrible when someone has just had a ciggie but I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone for doing it, yes it's bad for your health but so is drinking, just like I wouldn't dream of walking into a pub and lecturing someone on the dangers of alchohol I wouldn't lecture someone who enjoys a cigarette.
At the end of the day we're all human beings and we're all different, we make our own decisions and judgements, some are right and some are wrong, but this is still a free society where you are entitled to make our own mistakes.
As long as you don't blow the smoke in mine or my childrens face then I say good luck to you.
Stop if you can, but if you can't or don't want to then this is your decision so fill yer boots.
Day in day out we see society trying to erode any liberties we have, you can't do this and you can't do that, it's still legal and it always will be IMO so if you want to enjoy a cigarette somewhere it doesn't directly affect me then who am I to criticise you.
Also the comment about council housing is just bollox IMO. People from all walks of life are smokers.
I tried cold turkey and it didn't work so I used the patches and they worked great.
I slipped back onto them for a few months a couple of years later but soon knocked it on the head again.
When people are talking about the revenue being down from smokers, I agree it's probably down to a lot of people quitting smoking but I would suspect it's also down to the availability of cheap european ciggies.
As an ex-smoker I do find the smell horrible when someone has just had a ciggie but I certainly wouldn't criticise anyone for doing it, yes it's bad for your health but so is drinking, just like I wouldn't dream of walking into a pub and lecturing someone on the dangers of alchohol I wouldn't lecture someone who enjoys a cigarette.
At the end of the day we're all human beings and we're all different, we make our own decisions and judgements, some are right and some are wrong, but this is still a free society where you are entitled to make our own mistakes.
As long as you don't blow the smoke in mine or my childrens face then I say good luck to you.
Stop if you can, but if you can't or don't want to then this is your decision so fill yer boots.
Day in day out we see society trying to erode any liberties we have, you can't do this and you can't do that, it's still legal and it always will be IMO so if you want to enjoy a cigarette somewhere it doesn't directly affect me then who am I to criticise you.
Also the comment about council housing is just bollox IMO. People from all walks of life are smokers.
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07 February 2010, 09:26 AM
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I don't smoke now, and I haven't done for ten years. Having said that, I've spent half my life smoking, and about two thirds of my adult life addicted to the habit. My dad smoked about the same amount as I used to (30-40 a day) and he died of lung cancer at 63.
I still wish I dared to occasionally smoke a pipe though, as the few times I've done that were the only times I found smoking a pleasurable experience.
I still wish I dared to occasionally smoke a pipe though, as the few times I've done that were the only times I found smoking a pleasurable experience.
07 February 2010, 10:36 AM
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I smoked for 18 years packed up for 3 years and my new years resolution was to start smoking again. 
. I also drink i also gamble .So which ones going to get me first lung cancer or Cirrhosis of the liver .
. I also drink i also gamble .So which ones going to get me first lung cancer or Cirrhosis of the liver .
07 February 2010, 10:57 AM
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SSup is quite right. I used to smoke and started because I was bored going from one side of Canada to the other with only fields of grain to look at. No one knew how bad it is for you then or I would have resisted.
It was very hard to give up but was able to do so thank goodness during and after a spell in hospital.
The way to look at it is that it is pretty upsetting to be sitting in front of a specialist when he is telling you that you have cancer. I should know, it happened to me, but mine was operable.
Lung cancer very rarely is and having seen a close friend die from cancer-I can't recommend it.
You also have to accept that there is unlikely to be anything special about you to stop you from getting it!
That alone should be enough to stop people from starting up or to give it up somehow. It just isn't worth the candle.
Les
It was very hard to give up but was able to do so thank goodness during and after a spell in hospital.
The way to look at it is that it is pretty upsetting to be sitting in front of a specialist when he is telling you that you have cancer. I should know, it happened to me, but mine was operable.
Lung cancer very rarely is and having seen a close friend die from cancer-I can't recommend it.
You also have to accept that there is unlikely to be anything special about you to stop you from getting it!
That alone should be enough to stop people from starting up or to give it up somehow. It just isn't worth the candle.
Les
07 February 2010, 04:36 PM
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SSup is quite right. I used to smoke and started because I was bored going from one side of Canada to the other with only fields of grain to look at. No one knew how bad it is for you then or I would have resisted.
It was very hard to give up but was able to do so thank goodness during and after a spell in hospital.
The way to look at it is that it is pretty upsetting to be sitting in front of a specialist when he is telling you that you have cancer. I should know, it happened to me, but mine was operable.
Lung cancer very rarely is and having seen a close friend die from cancer-I can't recommend it.
your monitor is blinding you .remember this when the public health warning comes out in 50 years sheep
You also have to accept that there is unlikely to be anything special about you to stop you from getting it!
That alone should be enough to stop people from starting up or to give it up somehow. It just isn't worth the candle.
Les
It was very hard to give up but was able to do so thank goodness during and after a spell in hospital.
The way to look at it is that it is pretty upsetting to be sitting in front of a specialist when he is telling you that you have cancer. I should know, it happened to me, but mine was operable.
Lung cancer very rarely is and having seen a close friend die from cancer-I can't recommend it.
your monitor is blinding you .remember this when the public health warning comes out in 50 years sheep
You also have to accept that there is unlikely to be anything special about you to stop you from getting it!
That alone should be enough to stop people from starting up or to give it up somehow. It just isn't worth the candle.
Les
. your monitor is blinding you will be the next public warning sheep
07 February 2010, 04:52 PM
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07 February 2010, 05:03 PM
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Yeah - very few of my friends and colleagues smoke by now - we've all see the light! Those that still do are even a bit sheepish and covert about it - it is one of the dumbest things you can do isnt it?
One thing is true though only the smoker will know when the time is right for them them pack it all in. Probably took 6 go's for me, and no I haven't got any will power either, but I did do it and anyone CAN do it. In fact I remember once smoking two JPS at once cos someone was moaning at me to pack it up! Nagging is counter productive!
They are about £6 a pack now too aren't they? That is an AWFUL lot of money over 12 months! Get a posh watch or BUPA cover instead >the bling and irony<
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One thing is true though only the smoker will know when the time is right for them them pack it all in. Probably took 6 go's for me, and no I haven't got any will power either, but I did do it and anyone CAN do it. In fact I remember once smoking two JPS at once cos someone was moaning at me to pack it up! Nagging is counter productive!
They are about £6 a pack now too aren't they? That is an AWFUL lot of money over 12 months! Get a posh watch or BUPA cover instead >the bling and irony<
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07 February 2010, 05:09 PM
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The cost is something that saggers me.
£2200 a year for 20 a day habit!
...and yet on the next drag say how they can't afford to take their kids on holiday this year.
£2200 a year for 20 a day habit!
...and yet on the next drag say how they can't afford to take their kids on holiday this year.
07 February 2010, 05:28 PM
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I don't smoke but had no problem with smoking areas in pubs etc,and some of my mates back at home still smoking from when we were teenagers..The way i look at is people will smoke,drink,take drugs and so on it's just part of life and some will do it and some won't.But i think anyone who wants to give up smoking will do it if they want too for themselves..Think the reason i never smoked and some of my mates did was because i was always into sports at school and stuff so it kept me away from the temptation.Never really got hooked on drugs either seen enough lads in the park who would sniff gas and glue sniff,and seen how much it fooked them up and saw one lad die from taking drugs,was thinking people/monsters was chasing him he ran into the lake screaming went to far out into the water and drowned.Something that always stayed in my mind everytime i was offered drugs,slighty of topic but thought would just say it anyhow..
07 February 2010, 05:44 PM
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I wish they would allow people to smoke in pubs/clubs again. I don't mind my clothes smelling of smoke after a night out, I would be washing them anyway regardless. I do mind the smell of ****, vomit, **** and stale beer thou. I prefer the smell of smoke over it any day of the week!
07 February 2010, 07:53 PM
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Hmmmmmmmmmmmm interesting. I have an appointment with the smoking quack this month. Currently 32 and have smoked since i was 18. Over the last year, i have smoked more than ever - mostly due to moving a fair old drive from work. Driving the car lends itself well to smoking.
I actually woke up a couple of weeks back and had the first cig of the day (usually the best one) and got half way down it then flicked it cos i figured it doesn't have a whole lot of appeal. Anyways.... took the bull by the horn and phoned the quack straight away and got myself booked in. Don't fancy cold turkey..... we'll see 
I actually woke up a couple of weeks back and had the first cig of the day (usually the best one
) and got half way down it then flicked it cos i figured it doesn't have a whole lot of appeal. Anyways.... took the bull by the horn and phoned the quack straight away and got myself booked in. Don't fancy cold turkey..... we'll see
07 February 2010, 07:53 PM
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Nothing wrong with copping it at a relatively young age.
tbh I DON'T want to die at 87 pi$$ing and $hitting in a nappy, being slapped around by various 'care' workers as their plaything/and/or being a huge burden on my children and grand children.
I'd be thinking yes! this is the dogs ****** as I dribbled profusely. so glad I gave up the snouts for this!
Old age is essentially the worst part of anyone's life judging by how miserable people get as they get older... why would you want it extended to the max?
tbh I DON'T want to die at 87 pi$$ing and $hitting in a nappy, being slapped around by various 'care' workers as their plaything/and/or being a huge burden on my children and grand children.
I'd be thinking yes! this is the dogs ****** as I dribbled profusely. so glad I gave up the snouts for this!
Old age is essentially the worst part of anyone's life judging by how miserable people get as they get older... why would you want it extended to the max?
07 February 2010, 09:56 PM
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Ahh yes - a cancerous lung removal followed by chemo for the secondariness, and all this after being able to walk 5 steps before you have to take a break for the past 6 months.
Jumping over a bridge sounds a less painful option mate - Silk Cut Ultra Low Tar in hand!!!
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Jumping over a bridge sounds a less painful option mate - Silk Cut Ultra Low Tar in hand!!!
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08 February 2010, 02:43 AM
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08 February 2010, 09:34 AM
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I've never ever tried it. I've never even so much as held one.
The health warnings are very real. My mother died as a direct result of her smoking addiction. I had to watch her die slowly and painfully because she just couldn't give it up, despite the warnings from her doctor. She died at very young age, when I was a teenager.
Statistically, it's mainly kids who start smoking. They see it as a grown up thing to do. They don't realise that the adults they see smoking, probably started when they were kids too. Only a small percentage of smokers start when they become adults.
I remember being pressured to do it when i was at school. I was supposedly weak because I wouldn't do it, and got beaten up as a result. In my opinion, they were the weak ones for giving in. Knowing I'd get beaten up for not trying it, I believe I was the strong one.
The health warnings are very real. My mother died as a direct result of her smoking addiction. I had to watch her die slowly and painfully because she just couldn't give it up, despite the warnings from her doctor. She died at very young age, when I was a teenager.
Statistically, it's mainly kids who start smoking. They see it as a grown up thing to do. They don't realise that the adults they see smoking, probably started when they were kids too. Only a small percentage of smokers start when they become adults.
I remember being pressured to do it when i was at school. I was supposedly weak because I wouldn't do it, and got beaten up as a result. In my opinion, they were the weak ones for giving in. Knowing I'd get beaten up for not trying it, I believe I was the strong one.
08 February 2010, 09:35 AM
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same as my missus! Wants to give up but has no willpower what-so-ever. Does my head in as my back garden is full of feg-butts, naturally they aren't hers and somehow the pixies leave them there. If its too cold she turns the extractor for the oven on and smokes whilst sitting under it. Disgusting little ****** she is!
Or wack your bags down and tell her "Here - smoke this"
08 February 2010, 10:30 AM
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08 February 2010, 10:50 AM
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I am 27 and have been smoking on and off since I was 14. (herbal too) 
Not proud of it and I do try to hide it as much as possible. I also don't smoke at work which helps. I would say I smoke 2-3 ciggys a day. I do a fair bit of running so I never wake up with the coughing fits that a '60 a day' smoker gets.
Although I am not proud of it, I don't want to quit yet. Seeing my Dad suffer 2 major strokes at 65 after NOT drinking or smoking for his whole life has done nothing to dissuade me either. My 93 year old Nan smoked all her life up until a few years back when the dementia made her forget what a ciggy actually is!
At least I'm honest.
Not proud of it and I do try to hide it as much as possible. I also don't smoke at work which helps. I would say I smoke 2-3 ciggys a day. I do a fair bit of running so I never wake up with the coughing fits that a '60 a day' smoker gets.
Although I am not proud of it, I don't want to quit yet. Seeing my Dad suffer 2 major strokes at 65 after NOT drinking or smoking for his whole life has done nothing to dissuade me either.
My 93 year old Nan smoked all her life up until a few years back when the dementia made her forget what a ciggy actually is! At least I'm honest.
08 February 2010, 10:51 AM
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Nothing wrong with copping it at a relatively young age.
tbh I DON'T want to die at 87 pi$$ing and $hitting in a nappy, being slapped around by various 'care' workers as their plaything/and/or being a huge burden on my children and grand children.
I'd be thinking yes! this is the dogs ****** as I dribbled profusely. so glad I gave up the snouts for this!
Old age is essentially the worst part of anyone's life judging by how miserable people get as they get older... why would you want it extended to the max?
tbh I DON'T want to die at 87 pi$$ing and $hitting in a nappy, being slapped around by various 'care' workers as their plaything/and/or being a huge burden on my children and grand children.
I'd be thinking yes! this is the dogs ****** as I dribbled profusely. so glad I gave up the snouts for this!
Old age is essentially the worst part of anyone's life judging by how miserable people get as they get older... why would you want it extended to the max?
Lets all smoke, snort drink and inject all the addictive cancer causing liver wrecking and brain rotting crap we can get our hands on just so we can live it up as a youth.
Don't get me wrong, I have taken part in such things, but not because I didn't want to live to be old and miserable (as I don't intend to be). I did it as it 'seemed' fun.
08 February 2010, 10:59 AM
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I'm a regular smoker, and suprisingly enough I've never lived on a council estate, I am 37 and have smoked since the age of 14, I smoke about 10 a day, yesterday I had 3 today none yet but may have 15 who knows, I do enjoy the ones I smoke that's why I do it, is it dangerous? Yeah maybe but I also ride my bike at let's say slightly over the speed limits, is that dangerous too probably, but I enjoy it that's why I do it, if I ever stop enjoying either then I'll stop
08 February 2010, 11:32 AM
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I quit 3 years ago, and thankfully my entire family has now followed suit and I couldn't be happier for them all, hopefully I kick started the craze for my family.
It's easy enough to give up, and a lot healthier, and less smelly.
It's easy enough to give up, and a lot healthier, and less smelly.