HTC phones, which is the best one to get ?
16 February 2010, 10:59 PM
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Subaru 18, you seem very young.
Anyhow, have you been telling customers that iPhones don't do push email. If so you need to do some homework. Google mail was not an option on the HTC phone I set up today. Other providers were. That's a clear win for the iPhone.
As for Google holding up development, shame on them if they pull such stunts. Innovation should be their aim. Quite honestly I think they'd be shying away right now if you represented them with statements like that.
Anyhow, have you been telling customers that iPhones don't do push email. If so you need to do some homework. Google mail was not an option on the HTC phone I set up today. Other providers were. That's a clear win for the iPhone.
As for Google holding up development, shame on them if they pull such stunts. Innovation should be their aim. Quite honestly I think they'd be shying away right now if you represented them with statements like that.
16 February 2010, 11:08 PM
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Yes Subaru 18, VERY young and badly informed indeed, shame on you.
OK, serious question here, honest.
I have an upgrade available, I can get a 3GS on a £30 contract.
Can you positivly say it has advantages over the BB I currently have, usable features, not gimmicks, that would make it the worthy second handset of choice for me?
I am looking at the MotoDEXT at the mo, as the second handset.
I keep looking thinking, why would I want/need one. And other than games and media that i dont use anyway, I cant think of one reason/advantage.
OK, serious question here, honest.
I have an upgrade available, I can get a 3GS on a £30 contract.
Can you positivly say it has advantages over the BB I currently have, usable features, not gimmicks, that would make it the worthy second handset of choice for me?
I am looking at the MotoDEXT at the mo, as the second handset.
I keep looking thinking, why would I want/need one. And other than games and media that i dont use anyway, I cant think of one reason/advantage.
16 February 2010, 11:09 PM
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Snazy, of course there are other phones. Just none as ground breaking nor game changing as the iPhone. Even Steve Ballmer And Bill Gates agree. Your beloved RIM are still trying to find a sliver of innovation, without much success I have to say. Palm had a fair go, must have been costly. HTC and Google are my second choice, things might be closer if Google grew some ***** and bought HTC.
When people stop attacking the iPhone I'll be able to stop defending it. Until then it's no great effort and quite good fun.
When people stop attacking the iPhone I'll be able to stop defending it. Until then it's no great effort and quite good fun.
16 February 2010, 11:15 PM
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lol I dont love RIM for a second, they just happen to produce my current phone of choice.
With regards to innovation, if it suddenly changed too much I would probably drop it like a hot stone. I like them just the way they are
lol I certainly noticed the fun factor there. As for attacking the iPhone. I would say I critique it, and its passionate followers, rather than attack it.
In fairness though, you do seem to have issues giving any other device credit, other than the recent HTC lol.
I think its more about opinion, and choice. For me, thats RIM and the 9700. Maybe I will have my eyes opened some time in the future.
With regards to innovation, if it suddenly changed too much I would probably drop it like a hot stone. I like them just the way they are
lol I certainly noticed the fun factor there. As for attacking the iPhone. I would say I critique it, and its passionate followers, rather than attack it.
In fairness though, you do seem to have issues giving any other device credit, other than the recent HTC lol.
I think its more about opinion, and choice. For me, thats RIM and the 9700. Maybe I will have my eyes opened some time in the future.
16 February 2010, 11:17 PM
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I only take the **** when comments like "reinvented MMS" and redeveloped cut and paste are batted about.
lol@ not getting past my own spite.... Jeez, anyone have a mirror here? lol
16 February 2010, 11:17 PM
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The iphone was ground breaking the stopped you being able to send MMS, copy and paste text and use bluetooth to transfer stuff. 
Apple do what they do very very well but they also send you down a one way street they want you to go to extract as much money from you as possible. If that's the way you want to go then I think you'll be very happy.
end of the day they're just phones chaps...... did I just say that?!
Apple do what they do very very well but they also send you down a one way street they want you to go to extract as much money from you as possible. If that's the way you want to go then I think you'll be very happy.
end of the day they're just phones chaps...... did I just say that?!
16 February 2010, 11:19 PM
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The iphone was ground breaking the stopped you being able to send MMS, copy and paste text and use bluetooth to transfer stuff.
Apple do what they do very very well but they also send you down a one way street they want you to go to extract as much money from you as possible. If that's the way you want to go then I think you'll be very happy.
end of the day they're just phones chaps...... did I just say that?!
Apple do what they do very very well but they also send you down a one way street they want you to go to extract as much money from you as possible. If that's the way you want to go then I think you'll be very happy.
end of the day they're just phones chaps...... did I just say that?!
16 February 2010, 11:27 PM
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lol, rubbish. No company/organisation would EVER have a use for a piece of crap like a Blackberry! Or should I say a "berry of no specific ethnic origin"
I did however just read a line of wisdom on a mobile phone site....
I did however just read a line of wisdom on a mobile phone site....
one size doesn't fit all. there will never be any device that can satisfy all the users
16 February 2010, 11:32 PM
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i will just add a little
i repair phones and have been for over 8 years, i found that any phones running windows mobile should be used for door wedges as they are too slow and crash.
i mainly use nokia's (6303 at moment) because i only make calls and send the odd text but i have an iphone which i did a few tests on. i found that its great for surfing the web and emails including exchange etc but thats about it. dont get me wrong its a good bit of kit and the touch screen is mint compared to the HTC but the iphone just seems to be lacking freedom ie iTunes etc. The ipod side is rubish just like the ipods & ipod touch its all messing about. i like to drag and drop my mp3 and play it but the itunes dont like that you have to set it all up in CD order and Track order its just to much messing around. Also the battery life on the iphones are crap but dont this put you off it really is a good but of kit.
now as for the HTC stuff im not 100% with it, i have had a few in for screen repairs including the HTC Touch 3G and the HD and i did find that both was poorly made and the software on the handsets was very slow also the screen responce was very poor as the for the iphone would blow it out of the water but you do get more flexability with the HTC so its swings and round abouts. I did have a dabble with Google G1 and that seems to be spot on.
at the end of the day its what you need it for! if you need a normal phone ie calls and text get something simple and dont waste your cash.
i did have a 5800 and it was mint for tunes and films but i think nokia forgot about using it as a normal phone and also whats with the plastic screen cover lol
you cant beat a nokia 6230i :-)
i repair phones and have been for over 8 years, i found that any phones running windows mobile should be used for door wedges as they are too slow and crash.
i mainly use nokia's (6303 at moment) because i only make calls and send the odd text but i have an iphone which i did a few tests on. i found that its great for surfing the web and emails including exchange etc but thats about it. dont get me wrong its a good bit of kit and the touch screen is mint compared to the HTC but the iphone just seems to be lacking freedom ie iTunes etc. The ipod side is rubish just like the ipods & ipod touch its all messing about. i like to drag and drop my mp3 and play it but the itunes dont like that you have to set it all up in CD order and Track order its just to much messing around. Also the battery life on the iphones are crap but dont this put you off it really is a good but of kit.
now as for the HTC stuff im not 100% with it, i have had a few in for screen repairs including the HTC Touch 3G and the HD and i did find that both was poorly made and the software on the handsets was very slow also the screen responce was very poor as the for the iphone would blow it out of the water but you do get more flexability with the HTC so its swings and round abouts. I did have a dabble with Google G1 and that seems to be spot on.
at the end of the day its what you need it for! if you need a normal phone ie calls and text get something simple and dont waste your cash.
i did have a 5800 and it was mint for tunes and films but i think nokia forgot about using it as a normal phone and also whats with the plastic screen cover lol
you cant beat a nokia 6230i :-)
16 February 2010, 11:40 PM
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Agreed ! 6230 and the i, were the best phones ever made I reckon 
For what they were, and not the stigma attached to them.
Even on GSM Arena, which is of course heavily biased, they are still one of the highest average rating phones to date.
After that, it all went wrong imo
For what they were, and not the stigma attached to them.
Even on GSM Arena, which is of course heavily biased, they are still one of the highest average rating phones to date.
After that, it all went wrong imo
16 February 2010, 11:50 PM
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6230i was a fine phone.
Please do more research though, the iPhone battery is far from crap. We could all use a longer life, but two days should be enough for most with all the charging options available.
Please do more research though, the iPhone battery is far from crap. We could all use a longer life, but two days should be enough for most with all the charging options available.
17 February 2010, 12:00 AM
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2 day battery life with charging options? That's not a 2 day battery life then is it?
I am the same though, hard to say what my battery life is, with plugging in here and there for different reasons.
I am the same though, hard to say what my battery life is, with plugging in here and there for different reasons.
17 February 2010, 12:07 AM
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I'm surprised you didn't add a snide comment to the thread where we monitored battery life Snazy, it was only last week. I didn't plug mine into a charger for two days and took screenshots of the usage. others reported the same or less, I think two days is normal. The reference to charging options relates to the ubiquitous iPod charger, found everywhere. Other phone companies have had to fall in line and decide on a standard socket now, good work Apple.
17 February 2010, 08:00 AM
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I run over 100 BlackBerrys & BES server and users only get RIM devices. Period.
Why? hands down simply the best business phone, excellent message capability, excellent reliability, excellent product backup, excellent battery life for type of phone, excellent user control through policies (did I mention excellent?
)That said, I have an iPhone connected to exchange
17 February 2010, 08:25 AM
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Actually Jack, i have just had another thought, i had never used a touch screen before so assumed that this is how they are supposed to be, i had a bit of a nightmare with the hero keys when first using it, but you are supposed to run the text input trainer type tool in the settings department. i think this adjusts the key presses to your actual fingers, or something like that, anyway, maybe i should have RTFM but it made a pretty significant difference to the touchscreen input when texting.
I must have used mine for a good 7 days before i read online about it
Another hot tip for your mate, if he has already done this, then maybe your fingers are a different shape or maybe its just crap after all
Whats interesting is the google mail part, as mine was setup for google mail from the beginning, and even asked for my login details before the phone was setup!
I have 2 mail widget thingys on the home screen, one for Gmail, one for my other 3 email addresses (hotmail, yahoo and my website mail server)
but it made a pretty significant difference to the touchscreen input when texting.I must have used mine for a good 7 days before i read online about it
Another hot tip for your mate, if he has already done this, then maybe your fingers are a different shape
or maybe its just crap after all Whats interesting is the google mail part, as mine was setup for google mail from the beginning, and even asked for my login details before the phone was setup!
I have 2 mail widget thingys on the home screen, one for Gmail, one for my other 3 email addresses (hotmail, yahoo and my website mail server)
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17 February 2010, 08:39 AM
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I'm surprised you didn't add a snide comment to the thread where we monitored battery life Snazy, it was only last week. I didn't plug mine into a charger for two days and took screenshots of the usage. others reported the same or less, I think two days is normal. The reference to charging options relates to the ubiquitous iPod charger, found everywhere. Other phone companies have had to fall in line and decide on a standard socket now, good work Apple.
Regards the experiment, was the iPhone not used in car over that period at all either then?
Not having one, I have no problem with the iPhone's battery life, but many I know who have them and LOVE them, do say the battery is crap for a full day of use. Used for constant email and chat, as well as browsing, will the iPhone honestly last 2 days? In which case I would say those who say it wont see a day out are either power users or over dramatic.
lol @ "snide comments" you just dont get it do you lol.
Just one more thing.. "The reference to charging options relates to the ubiquitous iPod charger, found everywhere. Other phone companies have had to fall in line and decide on a standard socket now, good work Apple"
Where is "everywhere" Are we talking public charging points here, or just that iPod/iPhone connections are so popular (like micro USB's are uniform for most now) that if you ask a group of 5 people, 1 can lend you one?
If its the latter, its really not a groundbreaker is it. Nokia have done this for years, and I would say the odds of finding a Nokia charger is equal or better.
Most devices use a mini/micro USB now, either via usb on a PC or via a wall socket. So I would say 90% of devices have good "charging options" Good work, Nokia/SE/RIM/HTC/Samsung.......
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17 February 2010, 08:52 AM
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I love USB charging.
In the office at work? (like right now) plug it into the laptop.
Sitting at home on the xbox? plug it into the xbox.
Sitting in the car? plug it into the USB charging point.
Sitting in the office at home? plug it into the home desktop.
I have a "backup" phone that i keep in my laptop bag for emergences, it is an old Motorola V3, that one is USB as well, love it!
The stupid N93 nokia i had needed some PITA standalone charger and had to be plugged into a wall socket = gay
In the office at work? (like right now) plug it into the laptop.
Sitting at home on the xbox? plug it into the xbox.
Sitting in the car? plug it into the USB charging point.
Sitting in the office at home? plug it into the home desktop.
I have a "backup" phone that i keep in my laptop bag for emergences, it is an old Motorola V3, that one is USB as well, love it!
The stupid N93 nokia i had needed some PITA standalone charger and had to be plugged into a wall socket = gay
17 February 2010, 09:13 AM
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lol Nokia did stray a little from the comfort zone they built up over the years re charging. Even making some of their phones non USB chargable, but with usb for data lol.
I love it too. A camera lead, a webcam lead, loads of other manufacturers data/charging cables etc, all fit one
I got another serious question, although im sure its just me being snide! I was just watching a webcast with something about BB, and it made me wonder.
The whole "multi-tasking" thing...
The suggestion was that you could not browse/email and listen to music at the same time on an iPhone, is that actually right? You can listen to music and IM or email at the same time though right? YES im actually being serious here.
I love it too. A camera lead, a webcam lead, loads of other manufacturers data/charging cables etc, all fit one
I got another serious question, although im sure its just me being snide! I was just watching a webcast with something about BB, and it made me wonder.
The whole "multi-tasking" thing...
The suggestion was that you could not browse/email and listen to music at the same time on an iPhone, is that actually right? You can listen to music and IM or email at the same time though right? YES im actually being serious here.
17 February 2010, 09:16 AM
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Micky, the touchscreen was good on the HTC. I didn't have to backspace once, just looked like my fingers were floating above the keys, looked a bit funny that's all. I'm guessing Orange have doctored the operating system, I was taken aback when Gmail was not a choice in mail setup but Hotmail was!
No I did not plug my phone in, it will last two days easily, but it's so good most people can't put it down, use it for 24hours in a 24hour period then wonder why the battery can't cope.
I don't think I have to go into chargers and the mobile phone market. Yes steps have been made with the latest phones but a lot of us have a drawer full of different chargers from only a few years ago. And yes Snazy you do find iPhone chargers in public places.
Jay, you get what you pay for that's for sure, but it's a heavy cost. RIM did a great job.
No I did not plug my phone in, it will last two days easily, but it's so good most people can't put it down, use it for 24hours in a 24hour period then wonder why the battery can't cope.
I don't think I have to go into chargers and the mobile phone market. Yes steps have been made with the latest phones but a lot of us have a drawer full of different chargers from only a few years ago. And yes Snazy you do find iPhone chargers in public places.
Jay, you get what you pay for that's for sure, but it's a heavy cost. RIM did a great job.
17 February 2010, 09:18 AM
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It's not right Snazy, Mail, Safari, Calendar, Contacts, iPod and other Apple applications will run in the background along with an application of your choice. Multitasking is mute, it takes seconds to swap applications and they'll remember where you left off, it's a target for the competition that have nothing else to aim for.
17 February 2010, 09:24 AM
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It's not right Snazy, Mail, Safari, Calendar, Contacts, iPod and other Apple applications will run in the background along with an application of your choice. Multitasking is mute, it takes seconds to swap applications and they'll remember where you left off, it's a target for the competition that have nothing else to aim for.
lol now was that a snide comment at the end there Jack, shame on you!
Can you just define "public place" for me. Are we talking Starbucks, McDonalds etc, or something else.
17 February 2010, 09:44 AM
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I've been living with a T-mobile Pulse (although Huawei not HTC) for a few months now and I think it is great (once a software update was applied and it was unlocked) and a few free apps added from the Android Market. Total price for me over 2 years will be £192 (including my airtime). Total price for an IPhone 3G (not even 3GS) was £720.
The phone has similar tech specs to an IPhone, but as stated, usability is more important. For me it does everything I want, and for mainly mobile email/browsing, texts and incoming calls I have an incredibly cheap deal. The internet browsing gets very near to the IPhone (latest PC Pro has a test showing page rendering at 11s vs 8s for 3GS, but the 3G I was going to get was 28s), the camera isn't perfect, but few on phones are, the capacitative touch screen is almost as responsive although doesn't do multitouch until a forthcoming update. A £10 topup every 90 days gives free voicemail, enough free internet despite having push email on, more texts than I need and still enough credit for more calls than I make.
I'm delighted with it as a cheap compromise (that still has the toys like GPS/compass/camera/3G/Bluetooth/Wifi). I prefer it to my previous Blackberry (8800) as the 3G or Edge make it much snappier, and push gmail works great, screen is better, although I give the keyboard on the Blackberry the edge and the battery life was much better.
So as a price : performance phone I don't have to worry about, it is great for me. Money is never no object, and I could simply not justify the price of the old Iphone 3G never mind 3GS (the upgrade from one to the other on the same tarrif was about the price of my phone). Proper multitasking is nice too.
The phone has similar tech specs to an IPhone, but as stated, usability is more important. For me it does everything I want, and for mainly mobile email/browsing, texts and incoming calls I have an incredibly cheap deal. The internet browsing gets very near to the IPhone (latest PC Pro has a test showing page rendering at 11s vs 8s for 3GS, but the 3G I was going to get was 28s), the camera isn't perfect, but few on phones are, the capacitative touch screen is almost as responsive although doesn't do multitouch until a forthcoming update. A £10 topup every 90 days gives free voicemail, enough free internet despite having push email on, more texts than I need and still enough credit for more calls than I make.
I'm delighted with it as a cheap compromise (that still has the toys like GPS/compass/camera/3G/Bluetooth/Wifi). I prefer it to my previous Blackberry (8800) as the 3G or Edge make it much snappier, and push gmail works great, screen is better, although I give the keyboard on the Blackberry the edge and the battery life was much better.
So as a price : performance phone I don't have to worry about, it is great for me. Money is never no object, and I could simply not justify the price of the old Iphone 3G never mind 3GS (the upgrade from one to the other on the same tarrif was about the price of my phone). Proper multitasking is nice too.
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17 February 2010, 10:13 AM
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I think Jack clark cares just a little bit too much about the iphone... certainly more than is healthy for any grown man.
One thing I've noticed with the iphone is it has a similar effect on the users to those who drive BMW's. For some reason they have this misplaced superiority complex while most people just think they're *****
One thing I've noticed with the iphone is it has a similar effect on the users to those who drive BMW's. For some reason they have this misplaced superiority complex while most people just think they're *****
17 February 2010, 10:27 AM
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I don't give that much of a monkeys, it's just amusing rebutting the attempts at criticism.
I won't bother with yours and it's way too childish.
I won't bother with yours and it's way too childish.
17 February 2010, 10:40 AM
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But you appreciate there is a difference between opinions and blatent criticism?
Like I said before, can you actually accept that some people really just have no need or desire for an iPhone and are happy with their own choice.
As all I ever see is "nice phone but it will never be an iPhone" Which is fine, as some of us dont want iPhone's lol. And if the truth be known, enjoy the fanboy bashing lol
Like I said before, can you actually accept that some people really just have no need or desire for an iPhone and are happy with their own choice.
As all I ever see is "nice phone but it will never be an iPhone" Which is fine, as some of us dont want iPhone's lol. And if the truth be known, enjoy the fanboy bashing lol
17 February 2010, 11:09 AM
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Absolutely Snazy, I could have given my 3G iPhone to my mother but it would be a waste. She'll never use the power of the iPhone or any smartphone.
But please read through this thread. The OP asked about HTC phones, I recommended the Nexus One. After that the iPhone bashing started, something I'm fully prepared to defend. At this point I'm called an obsessive Fanboy. Bit odd. What name do you call people who can't help but slate the iPhone at every chance?
But please read through this thread. The OP asked about HTC phones, I recommended the Nexus One. After that the iPhone bashing started, something I'm fully prepared to defend. At this point I'm called an obsessive Fanboy. Bit odd. What name do you call people who can't help but slate the iPhone at every chance?