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Anyone any news on this or has it been knocked on the head as a good idea,but...

 

march 31st the figures come out, subaru uk have been testing it for the last couple of weeks to make sure there are no problems.

 

Cheers

 

So it is deff happening? been very quite about it!

 

Yes it's happening.

Just got My STI back from the Northampton boys with all the Cosworth mods, 400bhp. Its an absolute beast now, handling is like a gocart.
Well worth the £8k upgrade.

I work for Zoom motoring channel, hence I get the advanced toys.

 

Just 400?

For £8k?

Doesn't really sound GVFM... For 3k I can get forged internals and a reliable 385.. for another £1.5k I can get 420-480 with Iain's hybred turbos, that leaves £3.5k on suspension mods...

 

but you don't get a full manufacturers warranty

 

ha ha ha

oooh ok LOL because IM's warranty is so good lmao...

Any idea how much these are going to retail at? Are we talking 330s price plus £8k, or UK STI price plus £8k

(either way iain would still get my money)

 

Chassis mods as well by the sound of it. We'll see.

Everything you say is correct. However, assuming that the figures and price above are accurate, there are two reasons for this car. The first is that it gives the car magazines a reason to talk about Subaru in a positive and attention-grabbing light.

The second is that there's still a significant market out there for people who want something that goes like the above but comes with a full manufacturer warranty and franchised dealer serviceability.

 

I would check your maths on that.

Where is the cost of fitting?
Where is the cost of a remap?
Where is the cost of the gaskets/consumables?
Where is the cost of a fuel system upgrade?
Where are the wheels?
Where are the uprated brakes?
Where is the 100,000 mile testing?
Where is the warranty?!

 

Steady on Paul, this is IM we're talking about.

 

I've been quoted £1800 to remove engine, strip, replace gaskets, cambelt kit, seals, oil, filter, new shells, rings, replace pistons (with cosworth forged,) re-fit engine.
I've been told the STI rods are fine (certainly up to 400 anyway), but that'll cost another £600 to include?
Fuel system again, I'm not sure I need to replace it for 400bhp?
Wheels.. I already have 18" BBS alloys so no need
Re-map..well Duncan's already mapped mine once so £150? maybe less if he's passing.
Brakes..we will see what goes on the cosworth car..but fair point
testing... can hardly argue that point... but the new car hasn't really been "tested" yet has it?
Warranty..well as I said..I'd go to Litchfield... and I'd be dealing with a human not a corperation...

 

stock response for a stock argument...either way you pays your money and takes your choice.

volume manufacturers will always charge a premium for builds like this, it's the only way they can make it commercially viable.

I'd never buy a new car...waste of money from anyone

 

Much as I love the idea of a collaboration between Subaru and Cossie, this whole thing is gonna leave a sour taste in the mouth IMHO.

Subaru are supposed to sell a car that delivers a 50k car's punch at half the price. The idea being that you can get out there in a relatively cheap rice rocket and give much more expensive cars a bloody nose. What is the point when the underdog starts to cost the same kind of money as the exotica?

There is simply no way I would spend 50k (not that I have that much to spend lol) on a Subaru. Love them though I do!

Subaru need to give the UK an STi that can deliver circa 400bhp for less than 30k! It's perfectly do-able (they certainly can in Japan) and would put them back on the map as the performance car for the people!

 

You're trying to argue the point with a second hand car modded on the cheap with no warranty? How do you know the car hasn't been tested? How do you know the car is "just" 400hp?

 

Probably right there


Great Idea but unfortunately with the current YEN/£ exchange rates, you'd be lucky to a new JDM Justy on the road for under £28K let alone a Scoob

Tony

 

i'm with zen on this one, i bet 35 months down the road when the cheapo mods let go and you go and see your tuner he says "no warranty mate it's modified" where as the one with full manufacturer gets rebuilt free of charge, as someone said you pays your money and you takes your choice but i know what choice i'll be making and thats one that means i get 3 yrs worry free

 

Dude, what you're saying might have been correct 10 years ago but times have changed a bit. Most of the "exotica" you're talking about now costs considerably more than £50K.

I know a couple of well-heeled car nuts who are already poking around about these things. One of them has a Ferrari as a daily driver. You'd think he'd be the sort who'd have a 22B in his garage, but he wants one of these Cosworth hatches because over and above everything else he likes his ownership to be trouble-free and dealer pampered.

They're sold in yen in Japan.

 

Why would you need a warranty when tunning a car Zen surely if this was the premis for most people you wouldn't have a business.
With 8k at a respectable tunner you don't need a warranty as they would be more then happy to warranty there work if it's at a reasonable state of tune. plus you'd probs end up with a better spec car.

I say go Jap me anyway. Look at paul north he's been running 450bhp on a standard JDM spec sti engine for the past 3 years and hasn't had any issues.

Immy

 

Ok, let me put it another way.....50k is pretty much Porsche Carerra 2 territory isn't it...... I'd probably take that if I'm honest. It'd get you a BMW M3 with some change, or an Audi RS4, again, I'd probably take them if I'm honest.

Or, look at it this way: what does a new Ford Focus RS cost? under 25k. Is the Subaru gonna be twice the car for double the price....I somehow suspect not.

You summed it up perfectly: things have moved on.... There was a time when an Impreza was untouched in terms of bang for buck. You paid 20k and got a car that could give pretty much anything a run for their money. Hot hatches? Forget it; they simply weren't in the same league performance wise. Nowdays. An STi is pretty much in the same league as offerings from all of the major marques. To add insult to injury essentially if we now want anything from Subaru that can show the current breed of hot hatches a clean pair of heels or give a supercar a bloody nose, we're being asked to pay the kind of money that could buy prestige marques that offer the same performance OR we have to mod em ourselves.

Why can't Subaru pull of the same trick they did with the classic 10 years ago: Lightweight Spec C body, 2.5 engine with rods and pistons capable of taking some decent boost, suspension and brakes and drive train are already up for significant power hikes. 7.5k service intervals (we accept short service intervals with these cars) 3 year warranty circa 30k.

Supercar worrying pace, or at least demonstrably quicker than the hot hatch upstarts everyday practicality at a sensible price.


Awwwww soooooo!

I'm too tired to do the Math!

 

Subaru aren't the least bit interested in after market tuning, why should they be? Whatever else, this new offering promises to be the most competent and very likely the fastest car they have sold so far. The hatch isn't intended to be the car they started out with, they have moved on if you hadn't noticed.

 

I guess >90% of Imprezas sold are then modified - some only with exhaust mods, but most with suspension, brakes and engine mods. So most are no longer warrantied anyway. When you modify, you know from others who have done the mods before if they work and how long they are likely to last, and although you don't expect manufacturers type warranty, you expect the modifying garage's work to be up to standard. Very few people who buy an Impreza are going to be satisfied with the standard set up as its built with geometry weaknesses to make it understeer, as well as easy to improve suspension weaknesses. You know that when you buy one. Its nice to have warranty, but the Cos Imp is going to be the same - not the "perfect" car and its going to need tweeks - so bang goes the warranty.

 

I understand the frustration of the modding brigade (I'm one of them), but we're still getting away from the point, which is why aren't Subaru offering something more competitive? Why is it left to Litchfield/Cosworth etc.... to give us the car with the performance credibility that Subaru used to enjoy with the classic?

 

But the Cosworth car comes with engine, brakes and suspension mods AND a Subaru backed warranty. It's being made to be as complete as possible within the price and warranty restrictions.

I think you would be surprised at the number of cars that are/were purchased new and not modified through ownership by the first owner. Obviously Subaru are not targeting the second owner!

This kind of arguement was always going to happen, like it did with the EVO8 FQ400 and the EVOX FQ400, but CCC had no problems selling them!

 

I reckon its because they have to make a car that has as broad an appeal as possible + knowing that the more serious enthusiasts will mod them anyway - so why bother producing one - so they bring out a "performance" version (say the Cosworth version) with a warranty (probably more limited), but knowing that it too will probably be modded, but still (in std form) will suit people who want a "superior" Impreza with warranty.


But the Cosworth car comes with engine, brakes and suspension mods AND a Subaru backed warranty. It's being made to be as complete as possible within the price and warranty restrictions.
Exactly - "within price and warranty" which may well not be the "ideal" spec for the modder even tho to all intents and purposes, the brakes and suspension may perform virtually as well as potential upgrades - but the modder needs his 6 or 8 pot brakes and all singing & dancing suspension (cos the marketing + "pressure" from forums tells him he needs it !!)
Which is great for the modding companies - eh Paul !

 

Still loads of speculation here and mostly guess work.

I will add to the speculation and say that Subaru released there statement re the Cosworth mid Feb. From what i recall they indicated some further news in March. We are just about out of March and nothing.

Either there marketing team have dropped a clanger or whatever is being developed has issues.

Love the cars but Subaru UK need a good shake up IMHO

 

2-6 for the classics (these are the only "versions" they stopped after this)
7-8 for the bug (theoretically if they carried on the numbering but too many different markets so they stopped).
9-11 blob
12-13 hawk


Anyway, when Prodrive said "400bhp scoob, 40k" everyone said "too expensive", so what has changed now?

Tony

 

If you price up the following, all brand new, all including fitting and setting up.

New hatch STI
Front brake kit
18" Wheels and tyres
Injectors
Fuel pump
Garret hybrid turbo
Full exhaust (possibly manifold too)
Full suspension tweaking (spec un released)
Cosworth short engine
Ecutek map to suit
Cosmetic "stuff"
Uprated clutch
Full manufacturer warranty

I think you be hard pressed to beat the cosworth price.

 

Subaru's web site says March, guess with the economic climte their not rushing!