Bram

Christine Pratt will be looking for a new job, another on the dole count by Wednesday.

The issue as far as her involvement in this affair was she put her self up for it in approaching the media. Her clients wanted advice not to be used as a political toy. It must have done anti-bullying a great problem for the future and who would approach them now or sorry this orginisation.

On a bright note Christine only has to move two doors up to the local Tory party HQ they may have a vacancy for talents as long as you do not want to keep her mouth shut or keep confidentiality.

Saying that the size of her keeping her mouth shut would be a problem.

The Zohan

As it has been said it is not about her breaching confidences more to do with Brown and how he acts

Trout

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For balance the charity is also endorsed by the Dark Lord.

Jay m A

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The 12 hour bit

Trout

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To you maybe...

...there are two important stories here. Let's not forgive one transgression because it's your thread and you want to take the ball away

MJW

I think her approaching the media didn't quite have the effect she'd anticipated. This article in the Daily Fascist portrays the National Bullying Helpline as some sort of scam for her husband's consultancy firm.

Leslie

I seem to remember that before Flash got the shoo-in for this job that there were those who were saying he was psycologically unsuited for it, the slimy Prince of Darkness was part of that.

Why are you assuming that the people he was berating were actually in the wrong. How do you know he did not just lose it and took it out on them?

A man in his position of power should never have to make an exhibition of himself in front of his subordinates. As was said, with professional people it should never be better to shout and scream at them if you want to correct them but a reasoned and civilised argument would go much further to achieve the aim.

Use of gutter language and threatening behaviour shows an inability to express oneself and in fact weakens the argument. Tucker's law and to an extent your posts are perfect examples of that!

Les

Leslie

Can you explain all that hodgy. I cannot remember anything like that happening in this country.

Yes , he and the recession have got us into this mess in the first place!

Les

MJW

I'm not assuming, I read up on some of the instances of the alleged bullying. In one particular instance Brown dispensed an almighty bollocking to the subordinate who managed to lose the personal details of 2m people on a carelessly discarded USB drive. Now to me, that is worthy of an epic dressing down.

As I previously stated, it depends on the circumstances. If someone accidentally put an extra sugar in Brown's coffee, then that would not deserve being hit over the head with a stapler. But someone who makes a cataclysmic ****-up which makes the government look an even bigger set of **** than they already are should be prepared for the same treatment Alex Ferguson dishes out to unruly players. I don't condone actual bullying, far from it, there are definitely lines that shouldn't be crossed. But by the same token over-sensitive Oxbridge-educated types should not go running to mummy every time they get a telling off.


Well you must have been able to decipher my posts despite the swearing so it in no way impedes mine or anyone else's ability to express themselves. In the real world, people swear !

Leslie

Oh I was able to decipher your post alright, but the language did not enhance it in any way.

Yes we all swear I imagine, having spent all that time in the Service I could probably leave you for dead in a match, but I try to do it where no one is likely to be offended and where the circumstances deserve it. I would not like to feel that there was a brown mist coming out of my mouth when I was trying to underline a point in normal conversation.

Les

hodgy0_2

it was the weekend in October 2008 when the UK banking industry would have collapsed -- the Exposed banks, like RBS would have taken down all the UK banks had they not been bailed out (immediate cash inflows running into the tens of billions and the underwriting of loans running into the trillions)

whatever the rights and wrongs and who's fault it was i'm not arguing over

what is undeniable - and any senior banker will tell you this, is that had not something been done then we faced a catastrophe -- by that I mean a very real potential that no banking would take place - cashpoint withdrawals, BACS, card payments etc etc the whole shebang could have shut down

it would not matter whether you had cash in the bank -- you would not have been able to access it

a very real case of the "computer says nooo"

Devildog

No,

That is worthy of instant dismisal on the grounds of gross professional negligence, a dismissal which could have been communicated professionally, yet delivered in such a manner as to have made the reason abundantly clear, to the guilty party and anyone else concerned with the event.

To lose ones's temper and "dispense an almighty bollocking" is unprofessional and more often than not counter productive. It is a sign of weakness, not a sign of strength.

There are far better ways of getting the message across than ranting like a lunatic. You certainly don't need to be loud to be hard.

MJW

Tell that to Bill Gates, Steve Jobs, Larry Ellison, etc. etc. etc.

hodgy0_2

you are forgetting our very own bully tsar -- whoops business tsar

the meek and mild Sir Alan Sugar

and having done some work in his private office I can tell you he his worse in private than on TV

and it runs in the familly too

Devildog

Would you care to provide any evidence that the parties mentioned have a history of dispensing verbal (and or physical) "bollockings" to staff ?

There is a significant difference between ruthlessness in terms of running a business and the bullying of staff.

Ruthlessness and desire to succeed does not necessarily mean that you're a complete **** face to face with the people upon whom your success depends.

Devildog

And lets be honest, Gates, Jobs, Ellison and even Sugar have performed at a level of success that Brown can only dream about..

hodgy0_2

I have to say Christine Platt is a highly attractive women

I love that "slightly bald on top look" on a female

MJW

Well here's one on Bill and one on Steve but there are more if you search on the internet.

You would think so wouldn't you ?

Yes in terms of business. But they don't have to run entire countries. Would you want any of those guys as PM, despite their bullying records ?

urban

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No you don't need to be loud.

But I find that sometimes a bollocking makes an individual focus more on the task at hand, especially if they've already been talked to nicely.

Devildog

Then I'd say you've got the wrong person in the job

Devildog

Your links don't work mate, but then, lets be honest, you can't believe everything you read on the internet.

But yes, I would probably want someone with *****, some serious commercial accumen and demonstrable financial success running a country, rather than an arrogant yet clearly out of touch ****.

urban

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We'll I know that

However I find that the younger employees fanny about quite a lot in comparison to those a bit older and need "refocused" every now and then

Depends on the background etc

urban

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Well said.
Those that fanny about ******* things up need to be given a kick up the **** and refocused

And it does work.

Leslie

Thanks Hodgy, never realised all that was happening for some reason. I imagine that must have been when Darling forecast that the economy was in its worst state for 60 years and he was hammered severely by No10 for saying it.

That will be what Darling was on about just recently, ie being attacked by Flash's minions.

Les

The Zohan

Alistair Darling: Number 10 Unleashed The Forces Of Hell On Me, As Gordon Brown Denies Involvement | Politics | Sky News

Poor old Gogs, i wonder how long it is before he starts accusing the media of bullying him

Devildog

Agreed, but my point is that you can refocus them without losing control of your emotions, which is what Brown is being accused of.

Its possible to put the fear of death into someone, without being a bully about it

The Zohan

It gets worse

Here are some reconstructions of Gordon leading from the front (with a right hook)
Gordon Brown: Animation In Hong Kong Of PM Apparently Abusing And Hitting Staff | Politics | Sky News


True colours - Brown arm raised about to slap down a small child in his way



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5XTiI...eature=related - Gordon slugger Brown in fancy dress as John Prescott spots one of his staff in the crowd

hodgy0_2

i think for people in the know -- senior bankers etc it was what we call a "brown trouser weekend"

in more ways than one

ahar

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From what I've heard GB is a complete nightmare to work with. Aggressive, arrogant, throws things around...

... however that's not changed since he was in the Treasury so its surprising its only come out now!

If you believe the civil service gossip he's not the most difficult member of the govt to work with - there are some worse characters around, just with less power!