The Falklands
26 February 2010, 12:11 PM
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Oh, and unless I've misunderstood, Argentina's claim is totally spurious anyway. Britain occupied and colonised the islands before Argentian existed as a country. We left for a bit, they moved in. Then they left and w emoved back. Not through force, either - they just left. So I'd say the Falklands are British. The Falkland Islanders certainly are, so we should defend them.
Britain formerly claimed the islands in the late 17th century, unaware that there was already a French colony on it, so a bit dubious!
The islands certainly weren't discovered by the British.
But, whatever, I can't see Argentina going to war over it again, it's just the UK press that stir it up, IMO. Argentina have stated they would like to enter into a dialogue.
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26 February 2010, 12:27 PM
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Argentina's claim could be quite valid. We ejected them from the Islands in 1833 whilst they were in residence, it was not abandoned.
Britain formerly claimed the islands in the late 17th century, unaware that there was already a French colony on it, so a bit dubious!
The islands certainly weren't discovered by the British.
But, whatever, I can't see Argentina going to war over it again, it's just the UK press that stir it up, IMO. Argentina have stated they would like to enter into a dialogue.
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Britain formerly claimed the islands in the late 17th century, unaware that there was already a French colony on it, so a bit dubious!
The islands certainly weren't discovered by the British.
But, whatever, I can't see Argentina going to war over it again, it's just the UK press that stir it up, IMO. Argentina have stated they would like to enter into a dialogue.
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26 February 2010, 01:14 PM
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No, because Argentina declared independence from Spain, claiming the associated territories, which included the Falklands. You could argue that Spain has a claim on all of Argentina and it's islands...... 
I'm not advocating that we give them up, just that Argentina do in fact have a good claim, much better than ours!
However, as they say, posession is 9/10s of the law
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I'm not advocating that we give them up, just that Argentina do in fact have a good claim, much better than ours!
However, as they say, posession is 9/10s of the law
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26 February 2010, 01:29 PM
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Geezer, how you think that Argentina have a better claim to the Falklands than Britain I just can't get my head around. There's certainly nothing to suggest that in your first post above.
You say we ejected them in 1833? Surely after our claim in the 17th century we were still, in principal, there before them?
You say we ejected them in 1833? Surely after our claim in the 17th century we were still, in principal, there before them?
26 February 2010, 01:39 PM
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French got it before us 1826 Luis Vernet approached the British Consulate in Buenos Aires seeking permission to form a settlement on the Falkland Islands; 1833 was ours HtH
26 February 2010, 01:41 PM
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And that 15 mile zone needs to be 50 miles shoot any Argentinan ship.
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26 February 2010, 01:44 PM
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Geezer, how you think that Argentina have a better claim to the Falklands than Britain I just can't get my head around. There's certainly nothing to suggest that in your first post above.
You say we ejected them in 1833? Surely after our claim in the 17th century we were still, in principal, there before them?
You say we ejected them in 1833? Surely after our claim in the 17th century we were still, in principal, there before them?
The British did not establish a colony at that point either, the ship in question had simply been blown off course, didn't know what the islands were and claimed them!
That's hardly a good basis for a claim is it?
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26 February 2010, 01:49 PM
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I think the Argentinians just want a percentage of the oil. I cannot believe they have any other interest in the islands. Even back in the Falklands Wars it was known that there were likely to be considerable oil reserves, hence their invasion - or so I have been led to believe.
26 February 2010, 01:56 PM
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Anyway, all I'm trying to point out that our claim is as weak/strong as you wish to interpret it.
A chequered history if ever there was one.
I can't honestly see it going back into the hands of the Argentinians now regardless of validity of any claims, even if the UN ruled in their favour.
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26 February 2010, 02:00 PM
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Well, it does not look that good for us. Just about all of South America is supporting their claim, who is supporting ours? I'm not aware of any other country who has looked at the evidence who has said they see things the same way as us.
Since we managed to **** off the Americans over the Lockerbie bomber, and revealing their secret CIA intelligence to the press who are we left with to be on our side?
Since we managed to **** off the Americans over the Lockerbie bomber, and revealing their secret CIA intelligence to the press who are we left with to be on our side?
26 February 2010, 02:08 PM
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I don't see why we NEED anyone on our side. I'm not that fussed if the opinions of a bunch of left wing, borderline communist South American NARCO states don't like us very much. Sorry to sound a little like an American - but who cares? What are they going to do? Limit Soya exports to the UK? Oh no, the Vegetarians will be rioting in the streets
26 February 2010, 02:16 PM
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Not forgetting that Britain decided to officially abandon them in 1774, physically leaving in 1776 (and this was a garrison, not a colony).
Anyway, all I'm trying to point out that our claim is as weak/strong as you wish to interpret it.
A chequered history if ever there was one.
I can't honestly see it going back into the hands of the Argentinians now regardless of validity of any claims, even if the UN ruled in their favour.
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Anyway, all I'm trying to point out that our claim is as weak/strong as you wish to interpret it.
A chequered history if ever there was one.
I can't honestly see it going back into the hands of the Argentinians now regardless of validity of any claims, even if the UN ruled in their favour.
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As for the UN crap they have no chance the land oil is ours simple as that!
26 February 2010, 03:19 PM
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Q!
tbh I trust scoobynet judgement in this
let’s face it their appreciation of British and world history stretches back weeks!!!
let’s face it their appreciation of British and world history stretches back weeks!!!
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26 February 2010, 03:56 PM
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26 February 2010, 04:12 PM
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Article last sunday i think MOS chap said his parents were born in the Falklands mid 1800s and he is still living there.Some argy **** said yes but you all still speak spanish.
Foofing TOOL.
Foofing TOOL.
26 February 2010, 09:53 PM
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No, not at all. If you read the post, I said there was a French colony there, so already settled by another nation, even if not Spanish/Argentinian.
The British did not establish a colony at that point either, the ship in question had simply been blown off course, didn't know what the islands were and claimed them!
That's hardly a good basis for a claim is it?
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The British did not establish a colony at that point either, the ship in question had simply been blown off course, didn't know what the islands were and claimed them!
That's hardly a good basis for a claim is it?
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It was this attitude that led the country to become so wealthy in the first place.But yes, I do feel it's good basis for a claim. Keeping France out of the equation, we were there before any Argentines and we kicked them out after that to lead us to the point we're at just now.
28 February 2010, 06:18 PM
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Having been to the Falklands and tabbed accross most of it, it can only be described as a god forsaken **** hole but it is our god forsaken **** hole and we need to keep it for the simple reason it is a farkin massive fuel depot for our warships on the other side of the planet. It is also a soverign land mass where we can stage thousands of troops and aircraft if ever we need to without having to ask permission from another country.
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