Leslie

My commiserations, and yes I remember when I had to bury my own dad. It does make you think.

Les

The Zohan

Fundamentalist athiest - isn't this an oyxmoron?

Les,

Chill!

Monty Python took one at Jesus with Life of Brian which ridiculed christianity, God and his alleged son. does this make them Fundamental athiests, the python team (or some of them) may even believe in God

Having a sense of humour, taking one at religion does not make on a fundamentalist unless you have a play with and end up with fundamentalist maybe?!?

Nothing wrong with believing as long as it does not impose or even hurt others, same rules apply to those who choose not to believe. I believe 'turn the other cheek' is an often used phrase from God's book.

taking the mick is a very British thing to do, we have great senses of humour and should be able to give and take.

DCI Gene Hunt

Should you (as a Christian) show tolerance?

Les, you can't criticise me for my beliefs - as I'm not the one of us that believes in an imaginary all powerful being that controls every thing we do....

If you really believe that my "cheap and clever" statements are for popularity then I'd welcome some contrary evidence to demonstrate how wrong I am...... but we both know that ain't going to happen anytime soon! Maybe your God will take offence and strike me down? ....... *30 seconds passes* nope, still here

And allow me - a "Martyr" is someone that faces (or imagines they do) persecution for refusing to renounce their belief..... that's you Les, by telling me to stop this thread, wind my neck in, stop attacking you, etc., etc., etc. - I have nothing against you personally so why assume this is even about you? It's about Bible Bashers Les, those in religious organisations that spread the "ideology" - not the people that follow it.....

So sit down and have a nice cup of tea

DCI Gene Hunt

.... someones spat their Werthers Originals out - we're about two replies off a call to arms "It's a Holy war against the DCI - BURN HIM!!"

Seriously, wtf are you smoking? this proves my point on just how 'strange' people that believe in God are.... you can't say anything about their imaginary God without them kicking off, causing a scene and trying to get the whole thing closed down....

The Zohan

^^^^You'll burn in hell that That!

Not to sure how ripping the pee out of someone who believes helps or is constructive, why not agree to disagree.

You started this thread with the intention of sparking a lively debate about religion, now't wrong with that at all.

Les has hardly run around to your house, beaten the door down and f*cked you anally with a bible so why get personal and derogatory or something you do not actually believe in anyway.

Les calling someone a athiest fundamentalist & Martyr, both easily interpeted asreligious expressions is obviously not helping is it either


Come on play nice

DCI Gene Hunt

You a Catholic? ............

For the record I like Les; if anything I bet his bloods pumping this morning he's probably off getting a jar of Vaseline and a fresh bag of Werthers as we speak

The Zohan

I'll type it slowly for you A-G-N-O-S-T-I-C, OR AGNOSTIC OR agnostic which ever you prefer.

Stop fecking trolling your own thread then.

Oh and i see the pope is offering a apology to al the boys and girls abused by 'his' priests over the years, shame the guilty priests are not the one's doing this just before handing themselves into the police.


I guess if there was a god he would have stopped his own clergy from committing these acts on children but what do i know?!?

Punishing 'them' priests by sending them to hell after the fact is not really a proactive approach thus allowing more kids to be abused does not seem right - for God to allow that is even so i guess the priests can repent and go to confession and get if off of their chests and it is all ok - hardly seems right really...

DCI Gene Hunt

So then Mr Habgood who's the real deal? - by definition you're sitting totally on the fence awaiting evidence before committing either way. Have you already dismissed any of our religious groups/organisations?... Catholic's, Christian's, Islamic, Judaism, Scientologist's, Hinduism, Buddhism, Sikhism, Jainism, Sufism, Paganism, Pentecostal, etc. or are you still open to all of them..... pending that proof?

Will

That's something you'd enjoy Paul

DCI Gene Hunt

without the lube

The Zohan

You really do not get it do you, some might consider you to be a troll with your antics me i just think you are playing at silly b*ggers (and i am pretty sure you arn't a catholic priest).
I do not believe in God in whatever form.

But and this is a bit but However and i am happy to be proved wrong!



"Who's the real deal"
well when one of the aforementioned comes to earth, ideally my house and performs a miracle, cures cancer, world hunger, abolished the buggery of choirboys or such like then i might well believe.

To be convinced i would really need to see it for myself, not on youtube.

It is hardly sitting on the fence is it

On a more serious note for a moment.
Some close friends of mine lost their little girl to meningitis, she was only just over a year old. I am not too sure what she had done wrong or what letting her die would benefit anyone or why God would let this happen. I am sure that the same or similar story is repeated all over the world. This is why i do not believe!

The Zohan

It's a trick i learned from yo momma

Jamz3k

My old neighbours were part of the Brethren. Wouldn't want anything to do with religion after meeting their "friends".

They themselves were very nice people but plagued with bad luck. Imagine being in a religion that didn't believe in insurance which isn't a legal requirement and your house being the only house in the street to flood during bad weather?

For that matter imagine being in a religion that made your wife feel bad because she had lost her hair during cancer treatment?

DCI Gene Hunt

An agnostic is a fence sitter - that doesn't believe or deny in the possible existence of a deity..... you seem more atheist with a "I do not believe in God in whatever form" type quote.....

Do you know even what you are?

DCI Gene Hunt

Same here, albeit a different set of events......... I now dislike all religions, equally.

The Zohan

Having an open mind which could be changed given proof of existence does not make me a fence sitter, you know it I know it.

Are you really saying that if God in whatever form came to you and performed a miracle(s) changed the world you would still not believe - i think that would make you a closed-minded idiot, unable to accept or deal with change then. Does that sound like you? However, The same could be said of those who blindly believe without proof i suppose, if i could prove beyond doubt that god didn't exist and people still chose to believe that is.

Enough of your trolling and toying for me DCI, next!

Myles

iTrader: (40)

Im not religious at all, but it would be nice to have it proven that a God exists, whoever he/she/it may be. Then I would be able to have someone to blame for Gordon Brown.

DCI Gene Hunt

The point is that's as likely to happen as me suddenly acquiring the powers of Superman and flying around the world saving women from burning buildings - or do you think that's also a possibility? as being agnostic you would seem unable to discount anything....

I like the "troll" comment.....

DCI Gene Hunt

You already do - Tony Blair

The Zohan

If you don your red pants over your tights (and i guess not for the first time either) and fly around infront of me without aid or assistance then yes, you could be superman or at least super human - or of course it could be a miracle perfomed by god and that could lead nicely onto if there is a god, which one is his/her religion...

markr1963

My commiserations. It happened to me just shy of 10 years ago and the only thing I understand is that he died of a massive heart attack and the stubborn old bastid could have prevented it.

Will

DCI Gene Hunt

FPMSL....

Quasi Modo

Not anymore. I can accept people need to mourn lost loved ones etc, but religion isn't the answer. The problem seems to be that some so called religious people have no idea at all just how insulting their ways and beliefs can be to anyone else. Just a small example, anyone remember a certain Mr G. Hoddle? an ex footballer that decided to voice his religious beliefs, and according to some people that's perfectly fine, well i'm sorry but it's not just perfectly fine when your beliefs crap all over everybody else. From my own and others experiences of so called religious people who don't practice what they preach themselves anyway is that in small numbers they like to give the impression of being harmless enough, but in larger numbers they go doolally. The last one to knock on my door wanted me to listen to his new member of his flock about her new pre learnt speach on how God was this and Jesus was that, all of which i didn't ask for, but as soon as i asked a few basic questions about their religion the older guy quickly dragged the poor woman away and almost ran from my house, he didn't want me corrupting his new member, (that job was already taken) i felt really sorry for her as she was obviously vulnerable for some reason and he was making sure i didn't make her think twice about the whole thing. All i did was ask for a few answers to her stories. Anyway, if you don't want my opinion fine, but don't just take it for granted that i have to hear yours either that's all.

As for talking it over with a priest? i think they've got enough problems of their own to deal with don't you? I must have 616 on me somewhere i suppose, but there must be alot of us about is that's true.

Anyone know where i can get a Rottweiler? (or six).

btw, Norman D Landings, i'm sorry for your loss mate, as i'm sure all at SN are. Peace.

Leslie

Coffee more like!

I wrote a detailed answer to you, it was beautifully written, I was proud of it, and then the flaming computer locked up! It's ever so lucky that I am so holy or I might have said a rude word! Anyway, I went and watched the rugby!

Briefly, M&S Buttermints are far superior to Werthers, let me give you a tip by the way, if you are a radio ham, Vaseline is without parallel when it comes to protecting outdoor aerial connections from the rain! Professional Aerial riggers use it!

I was not criticising you for your beliefs, you don't read my posts properly, I keep saying that I do not expect anyone to do anything more than to follow their own conscience. Anything else is dishonest when you think about it. Did you not notice what I said to Paul H.?

Your personal beliefs don't concern me, and if they are different to mine, I never believe that is a reason to dislike anyone, unless you are going to do something really unpleasant or anti social because of them.

I used "fundamentalist" advisedly, it is applied to those who believe in a religion absolutely, and I consider your atheistic following to be pretty religious in the basic meaning of the word. Good to see you announcing it to the net

Discussions about religion always turn heated and unpleasant. It was never allowed to be mentioned "in the mess old boy!" There is never any real point anyway because each person involved will have his own view and won't change for love nor money. I would never attempt to delve into proofs one way or the other-there is no point. My own beliefs will be very different to what you might imagine in fact, but that is my own business and it will stay like that.

The proof is before your eyes however, if you start a thread on a subject like this, the insults and unpleasant remarks come thick and fast. That can be upsetting to people who don't deserve that and therefore I say it is a subject which is best left alone. Well meaning people don't deserve to be called "demented" when they have done no wrong to others, just as an example.

When people resort to running others down and insultiing them and their beliefs, I think it demonstrates a complete lack of a convincing argument let alone their own less than pleasant traits.

Les

Leslie

More like rocket powered megafarts!

Les

Quasi Modo

Rocket powered megafarts, is that the new version of WMDs?
Our new defence strategy.

DCI Gene Hunt

I like you Les, you seem in a better mood today

But at the end of the day you've just posted a massive post that doesn't actually say anything about anything

I would have liked a debate on religious beliefs and deity's and the like, but that ain't going to happen as it's a load of old cods-wallop.... it was just a light hearted look at how some people believe anything there told, without question, and then refuse to admit that, like in the Kings New Clothes, they're actually stood there naked

I watched a TV programme this morning on BBC1 about the Devil and did he exist, the show rolled out a series of greasy haired priests who one after the other said "Yes, and I've seen this, and that, and this...." and when asked why they didn't photograph this evidence their response was "well you wouldn't have believed it anyway".

For me this is a light hearted romp into the fantasy world of religion and I was looking for someone to man up and have a debate over it, but all I got was a few "stop picking on religious types" and a general attempt at slating me.... which I'm used to, being a fundamentalist and all.

At the end of the day it's only the internet.

DCI

Leslie

Well its a subject that cannot be proved one way or another. I would not enter a futile debate about it-it has been tried on here in the past and as you might expect-it got nowhere. Every reasonable point is likely to be met with an insult or similar. It always happens like that. I could not be bothered to watch that programme anyway.

I quite like light hearted, but it would never stay that way. As you say though-its just the Internet, whatever that means!

I quite like the sound of the "Fundamental DCI", it has a ring to it.

Les

Leslie

Just watch him go, but bring a gas mask!

Les