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22 April 2010, 01:43 PM
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Just another pointless manipulated statistic IMHO designed to get attention.
What it does not say is how many people don’t bother reporting crime now due to the complete fob off get from the police these days - unless happen to be doing 31 mph in a 30 zone !
Richard
What it does not say is how many people don’t bother reporting crime now due to the complete fob off get from the police these days - unless happen to be doing 31 mph in a 30 zone !
Richard
22 April 2010, 01:43 PM
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Labour Supporter swaps Sides!!
A life long supporter of the labour party was lying on his death bed when he suddenly decided to join the Tory party.
"But why?" asked his puzzled friend, "You're labour through and through … Why change now?"
The man leaned forward and explained: "Well, I'd rather it was one of them that died and not one of us."
"But why?" asked his puzzled friend, "You're labour through and through … Why change now?"
The man leaned forward and explained: "Well, I'd rather it was one of them that died and not one of us."
22 April 2010, 01:48 PM
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1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
2. Low mortgage rates
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
9. Employment is at its highest level ever
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
11. 85,000 more nurses
12. 32,000 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
19. Restored city-wide government to London
20. Record number of students in higher education
21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
35. Banned fox hunting
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
37. Free TV licences for over-75s
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
39. Waiting times for operations halved
40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
43. Free eye test for over 60s
44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
22 April 2010, 01:49 PM
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How are the figures worked out? Based on the population, or based on the offences reported etc
Face facts, you know for a fact that crime is up. Please see picture above, its all spin. But feel free to carry on spouting
Face facts, you know for a fact that crime is up. Please see picture above, its all spin. But feel free to carry on spouting
22 April 2010, 01:49 PM
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22 April 2010, 01:53 PM
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People gave up reporting crime years ago when the courts went soft, and society went mad.
Either way, people feel LESS safe on the streets than they did 10 years ago.
22 April 2010, 01:53 PM
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22 April 2010, 01:59 PM
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If I didnt know better, and that you were, as usual, trolling, I would bother to explain how they have spun the figures for your viewing pleasure. However I know you know better, so wont waste my time 
22% chance of being a victim of a crime, lower than 10 years ago. Which was prob 24%. But 24% of a population of 5,000,000 is LESS than 22% of a population of 8,000,000
22% chance of being a victim of a crime, lower than 10 years ago. Which was prob 24%. But 24% of a population of 5,000,000 is LESS than 22% of a population of 8,000,000
22 April 2010, 02:00 PM
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Pete have you been filling your pipe with something other than tobacco?
22 April 2010, 02:08 PM
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Try 50 for starters .................................................. .......................
1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
2. Low mortgage rates
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
9. Employment is at its highest level ever
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
11. 85,000 more nurses
12. 32,000 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
19. Restored city-wide government to London
20. Record number of students in higher education
21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
35. Banned fox hunting
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
37. Free TV licences for over-75s
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
39. Waiting times for operations halved
40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
43. Free eye test for over 60s
44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
1. Longest period of sustained low inflation since the 60s
2. Low mortgage rates
3. Introduced the National Minimum Wage and raised it to £5.35
4. Record police numbers in England, Scotland and Wales
5. Cut overall crime by 35 per cent
6. Record levels of literacy and numeracy in schools
7. Best-ever primary school results
8. Funding for every pupil in England to double by 2008
9. Employment is at its highest level ever
10. Written off up to 100 per cent of debt owed by poorest countries
11. 85,000 more nurses
12. 32,000 more doctors
13. Brought back matrons to hospital wards
14. Devolved power to the Scottish Parliament
15. Devolved power to Welsh Assembly
16. Dads now get paternity leave of 2 weeks for the first time
17. NHS Direct offering free convenient patient advice
18. Gift aid was worth £625 million to charities last year
19. Restored city-wide government to London
20. Record number of students in higher education
21. Child benefit up 25 per cent since 1997
22. Created Sure Start to help children from low income households
23. Introduced the Disability Rights Commission
24. £200 winter fuel payment to pensioners & extra £100 for over-80s
25. On course to exceed the Kyoto target to reduce greenhouse gas emissions by 2010
26. Negotiated the historic Good Friday Agreement in Northern Ireland
27. Over 30,000 more teachers in England schools
28. All workers now have a right to 4 weeks’ paid holiday
29. A million pensioners lifted out of relative poverty
30. 800,000 children lifted out of relative poverty
31. Introduced child tax credit giving more money to parents
32. Scrapped Section 28 and introduced Civil Partnerships
33. Brought over 1 million social homes up to standard
34. Free school milk for five, six and seven-year-olds in Wales
35. Banned fox hunting
36. Cleanest rivers, beaches, drinking water and air since the industrial revolution
37. Free TV licences for over-75s
38. Banned fur farming and the testing of cosmetics on animals
39. Waiting times for operations halved
40. Free local bus travel for over-60s
41. New Deal - helped over a million people into work
42. Over 1.5 million child trust funds have been started
43. Free eye test for over 60s
44. Five, six and seven year olds in class sizes of 30 or less
45. Free entry to national museums and galleries
46. Overseas aid budget more than doubled
47. Cancer death rates down by 12 per cent, saving 43,000 lives
48. Cut long-term youth unemployment by 75 per cent
49. Free nursery places for three and four-year-olds in England, Scotland and Wales
50. Free fruit for all four to six-year-olds at school
22 April 2010, 02:14 PM
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My point being, the courts have gone soft, and people are less likely to bother reporting crimes based on the punishment and retaliations expected.
22 April 2010, 02:19 PM
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Correct me if I am wrong but crimes such as muggings are no longer taken into consideraton when these figures are compiled, if you manipulate enough the facts of course the figures are down. More spin
22 April 2010, 02:26 PM
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If only we could get Darling to talk about debt not defecit, etc. Now im just being stupid !
22 April 2010, 02:27 PM
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The easy way to reduce crime figures is not to record crime in the first place.
I was a victim of Credit card fraud a few years back. The Police registered it as an enquiry !!!!! No crime here, move along.
So how many other Crime's get booked down as something completely different.
GP waiting list are down under Labour. How did they manage that? Stopped people making appointments in advance. Bingo.
I was a victim of Credit card fraud a few years back. The Police registered it as an enquiry !!!!! No crime here, move along.
So how many other Crime's get booked down as something completely different.
GP waiting list are down under Labour. How did they manage that? Stopped people making appointments in advance. Bingo.
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22 April 2010, 02:30 PM
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People waiting for operations of down to by some clever workings, and so on. People out of work is down, but not counting certain groups....
Spin spin and more spin. None of them ever tell the truth but I pay little attention to any number spoken by politicians these days.
Spin spin and more spin. None of them ever tell the truth but I pay little attention to any number spoken by politicians these days.
22 April 2010, 04:16 PM
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I would say research groups like Cancer UK have had more to do with the survival rates than a government.
Low morgages were one of the things that collapsed the markets which collapsed the economy, thats something for the CV for sure!
Pupil funding doubled compared to what year. Fuel prices have doubled over their time in power too, is that a positive too?
I can see some "really" important spends there for the tax payer to pay for.
Low morgages were one of the things that collapsed the markets which collapsed the economy, thats something for the CV for sure!
Pupil funding doubled compared to what year. Fuel prices have doubled over their time in power too, is that a positive too?
I can see some "really" important spends there for the tax payer to pay for.
22 April 2010, 04:46 PM
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It's much better now than in 1997 at the end of the disaster which was the Tories .... a blind man on a galloping horse can see that!!
Anyway ... tonight we shall witness the final nail in Camerons posh coffin!
Then it's a straight 2 way fight between NL and LibDems ......
Anyway ... tonight we shall witness the final nail in Camerons posh coffin!
Then it's a straight 2 way fight between NL and LibDems ......
22 April 2010, 04:50 PM
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You can call it spin all you like .... the intelligent know the facts, and that's why Cameron and the Tories are getting a right royal kicking .... don't get me wrong, I'm no Labour supporter - just a supporter of facts. And Labour have done outstandingly well over the last 13 years, although it pains me to say it. But it's true!