madscoob

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THERE IS TAX RELIEF ON IT become a muslim and convert one room of your house to prayer and recieve a 25% discount on your council tax . thats what i was told by someone i know who lives in and around bristol dont know how true this is but with councils these days its believeable

Maz

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Get your head out of your ****!
http://www.thisismoney.co.uk/ask-an-...&in_page_id=92

DCI Gene Hunt

That's the basis of Scoobynet

wayne9t9

Derka derka http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YOo06...eature=related

Maz

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GeneHope you're well.

StickyMicky

Mwahhaa haaaaa


Usual same old mentalist spack-crap.

urban

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**** them all out of the country

RA Dunk

Do you have much of them in your country?

Leslie

Thanks for the replies.

Nothing wrong with discussing all these matters, more a good thing in many respects as long as it is done in a civilised fashion.

You can say I don't believe in such and such with reasons even, and that is fair enough, but its the way it is done that is significant.

Accusing those who have a different outlook of being loonies is an unpleasant and in my opinion innaccurate way of going about it. I note what John Banks was saying in that connection also. I was disappointed in his inferences.

Do you really think that the average Christian is mad and should even be considered should be locked away? Like with most peoples or tribes in the world, there is a belief that there just could be an all powerful being who is responsible for it all. Just how that being is revered is down to the peoples concerned, but those kinds of beliefs have been present since time began, it is a natural progression for things that cannot be explained. Does not make them into loonies.

The more modern way of thinking is based on scientific discoveries which is hardly surprising, but there is a distinct lack of answers to it all there too. Scientists love to take a whole lot of facts, put them all together and think of a name for the bits that are missing to prove their theories. So many are prepared to accept what they say may be the case at face value even though it has not been proved. That of course also applies to the Christian religion, so you have to make your own choices. I did mention conscience didn't I? It a very powerful part of our thinking and should not be ignored if you are going to be honest with yourself.

There are many mysteries which we do not have the answers for. I don't disbelieve the Big Bang theory, but where did that singularity come from? Matter cannot be created nor destroyed they say! We have scientific laws, is it possible that they could be different in other parts of the Universe? Where did life come from. We can mix up a load of amino acids, but can we turn it into something which is alive? We can only work with things that are alive in the first place! Some might even call life a "miracle" I also cannot believe that there is no other life in the Universe.

People sometimes try to attack by bringing up Evolution saying it disproves religion entirely. Of course it doesn't, it happens and cannot be denied, but it is a pretty amazing thing too when you think about it.

It is a lot to consider and I have not scratched the surface. I personally try to keep things as simple as possible. I have my own beliefs and accept that we all are in the same boat and that we have our own way of thinking too.

I think that religion is always a bad subject to discuss too deeply because of the disagreements that will arise and nothing of value is likely to come out of the ensuing arguments. Neither am I going to to get into the nitty gritty of what is written in the bible since I neither wrote nor translated it!

All I ask is that since I will respect other people's beliefs that I get the same treatment in return since I don't really enjoy being called a madman etc. because my thoughts are different to some others'. That is no basis for the truth.

Les

GC8WRX

Judging by your spelling id say Iraq or some other godforsaken hell hole!

Maz

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That was the IRA mantra was it not? Here's me thinking Northern Ireland had moved on.

RA Dunk

ehh WTF, where does the IRA fit into this I thought we were talking about immigrants?

Maz

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The IRA had a similar philosophy towards the soldiers risking their lives to keep peace in NI, ie **** them all out of the country.

RA Dunk

Were talking about immigrants here not soldiers

Maz

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Are you being delibrately obtuse?

RA Dunk

I just fail to see where (and why?) we have gone from immigrants to soldiers, where is the connection, the thread has run for 8 pages relating to islam/immigrants then you throw soldiers and IRA into it?

urban

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Einstein RA - with respect, I doubt a Yorkshire man would actually understand what went on in Northern Ireland and things were a wee bit more complicated than what you say.

Regardless though, your post has nothing to do with immigrants and I also fail to see what you're at?

urban

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We do
And we have substancially more that folks actually like to admit.

RA Dunk

Seems the ******* are all ovr then, there own countries must be bloody empty!

urban

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Like locusts.
Could they be renamed from immigrants

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

I do hope this happens...

http://rawstory.com/rs/2010/0424/sea...-mohammed-day/

Maz

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I know what went on NI, we had blanket coverage for years. I can surmise the situation, one lot didn't like the other lot and tried to effect change through terror and violence. I was using that situation as parallel to your comments on this thread. '**** them all out' you said, tarring all with the same brush. Yes get rid of the trouble causers but what about the innocent law abiding people? By that reasoning if we had dropped a great big bomb on NI we would have got rid of all the problems there.
Also what has immigration got to do with Islam? With many muslims being second and third generation British citizens and many from the indiginous population, where does immigration figure? I fail to see your point.

RA Dunk

Oops thats right, the UK's primary religion is Muslim by default lol

Immigrants came and with them came Islam, cant believe you honestly asked that TBH, are you an immigrant by any chance?

Many, but not all Muslim's in this country are into there second and third generation, they are still arriving today which would sort of cover immigration would it not?

urban

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You had whatever coverage the journalists deemed most "watchable" or would "feed" most fuel

However - not more please as your post is not in the slightest bit relevant to this thread.


Immigration/Islam/Whatever.

This is primarily an English speaking country.
OK - there's a few exception/oddities.

However none the less our English schools should not need to be able to communicate in 10 or 20 different ******* languages.

Maybe you agree with that too?

Lets say an English family wish to move to a different country (Might not be suich a bad idea soon
What do you think will happen with regards to communication
Will the school ensure that they communicate in "English" - I don't think so.

Maz

iTrader: (34)

Ah okay it was propoganda hmmm....Anyhow let's move on.


You're quite right I agree() this is an English speaking nation and that should be the primary language. Schools should teach in English and not attempt to diversify and detract from delivering a good education.
Speaking from a personal point of view I think any individual moving in to another culture/language, should do their level best to integrate and learn the values and languages of their host nation. I will not defend those that refuse to toe the line.

bigsinky

is this ****** still going. just kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out.

Maz

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Is it? I think you'll find Christianity is the primary religion and rightly so. 72% againts 3% in the last census.
Yes I am, came in to this country at the age of five. Love the people, the lifestyle and priviledges it has given me.

bigsinky

I find that very hard to believe that Islam only accounts for 3% of the UK population, but then again you know what they say? "There are lies, damned lies and statistics"

RA Dunk

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I was being facetious when i said Muslim was the primary religion lol

but, are you telling me in the UK 72% of the population are Christian and 3% Muslim, I would struggle to believe this if thats what you mean

warrenm2

I have to stop you there, what we are talking about is not "a different outlook", it is a delusion, a long held, rooted in history delusion I grant you, but nevertheless a delusion. It is no more valid than fairies, pixes, leprachauns, trolls or elves. How would you describe someone who is absolutely convinced that fairies sprinkle fairy dust on their vegetables to make them grow? Mentally ill is actually a non-prejorative term.

Disappointed that we refuse to enter into a delusion and demand evidence for our beliefs?

Delusional or mentally ill, yes. And psychiatry would be on my side in that arguement. As I mentioned before, seeing imaginary friends is delusional.

It makes them ill-educated and the refusal to acknowledge new information and facts as science discovers them and to hold onto irrational beliefs is still a form of mental illness of being unable to comprehend reality. Once again, there IS NO EVIDENCE for omnipotent superbeings.

Science is a process, we are learning all the time, theories get propsed and tested, those that fail are discarded, those the match reality aare retained and built upon. I agree, we do not know everything yet, we learn more each day. This is normal and to claim otherwise is a misrepresentation of the scientific process

More important than facts and evidence Les? My conscience says I serve myself best by basing my decisions and behaviour on reality not fantasy.

Sure, all good questions, and scientists are working on them. That is what discovery is about. They dont require and invention of an imaginary being to explain them though. Look at plate techtonics for exmple. Up to 100 years ago, people claim it was the Gods being angry, now we know its a part of the planets geology.


Keeping things simple is great until you swerve off the reality path into fantasyland. Then its a bad thing.

True, I think it unlikely that a religious person will be swayed by my rational arguements as by their very nature they are rejecting rational thought. I live in hope though!

I repeat, that this is not directed at you Les. However to say that a delusional, irrational, non-evidence based belief system deserves my respect, well, words fail me. Why does it deserve respect? Out of politeness? Or because its true? Do you not see the hypocracy of rational arguing on behalf of an irrational idea? Im sorry, but respect is earned not given, and people who are so disjointed from reality need help. They might well be functioning adults but they are delusional, its as simple as that really.