Gordon has gone
11 May 2010, 09:49 PM
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Yes, but don't forget this is SN where the Tories were going to get 11 times the vote of Labour. It is not even remotely representative of the real world and I shall leave it there before I sound unkind.
11 May 2010, 09:51 PM
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Paul, WTF has that got to do with someone who said 'if New Labour get reelected in 2005 I am emigrating'?
However seeing as you asked.
Outside the exclusion zone, heading away, poorly armed, barely seaworthy and in an agreed lull in the proceedings between both sides to consider a Peruvian backed peace plan.
A plan that would have seen an end to hostilities and of course no election victory for Thatch
Even someone as blinkered as you can see that was morally a war crime surely?
Just because Argentina and the captain of the ship later said it wasn't makes no difference when you see the motivation for them saying that some 14 years later. Ask the average Argentinian what they think. Oh sorry, they are all Johnny Foreigners to you and hence their opinion is worthless of course
However seeing as you asked.
Outside the exclusion zone, heading away, poorly armed, barely seaworthy and in an agreed lull in the proceedings between both sides to consider a Peruvian backed peace plan.
A plan that would have seen an end to hostilities and of course no election victory for Thatch
Even someone as blinkered as you can see that was morally a war crime surely?
Just because Argentina and the captain of the ship later said it wasn't makes no difference when you see the motivation for them saying that some 14 years later. Ask the average Argentinian what they think. Oh sorry, they are all Johnny Foreigners to you and hence their opinion is worthless of course
11 May 2010, 10:06 PM
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Paul, WTF has that got to do with someone who said 'if New Labour get reelected in 2005 I am emigrating'?
However seeing as you asked.
Outside the exclusion zone, heading away, poorly armed, barely seaworthy and in an agreed lull in the proceedings between both sides to consider a Peruvian backed peace plan.
A plan that would have seen an end to hostilities and of course no election victory for Thatch
Even someone as blinkered as you can see that was morally a war crime surely?
Just because Argentina and the captain of the ship later said it wasn't makes no difference when you see the motivation for them saying that some 14 years later. Ask the average Argentinian what they think. Oh sorry, they are all Johnny Foreigners to you and hence their opinion is worthless of course
However seeing as you asked.
Outside the exclusion zone, heading away, poorly armed, barely seaworthy and in an agreed lull in the proceedings between both sides to consider a Peruvian backed peace plan.
A plan that would have seen an end to hostilities and of course no election victory for Thatch
Even someone as blinkered as you can see that was morally a war crime surely?
Just because Argentina and the captain of the ship later said it wasn't makes no difference when you see the motivation for them saying that some 14 years later. Ask the average Argentinian what they think. Oh sorry, they are all Johnny Foreigners to you and hence their opinion is worthless of course
Ah, at last, so what you are saying is that it is a War Crime in your mind and your mind only
, no one was prosectued and no one was found guilty of a War Crime by sinking an enemy battleship during a war.I mentioned this as it seems only fair, you seem keen to have a dig at Robin re not emigrating so i thought i would bring up you lack of backing up your statements too, people in glass houses and all that eh
11 May 2010, 10:25 PM
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Whereas UB made a statement of fact and intent to show how strongly he felt about New Labour and then faield to carry it through despite lots of vitriolic rhetoric. Like so many on SN, all words, no action.
11 May 2010, 10:40 PM
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Brown is childish to the end....
What an **** - petulantly going to resign once he knew he'd lost - not waiting for the 'best interests of the country' to ensure that there was someone to follow him. what a self serving pillock - good riddance!
11 May 2010, 10:42 PM
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Well, there it is.... the real world. Looks all blue to me http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/news...tical-map.html
11 May 2010, 10:48 PM
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YOU ARE THE CHILDISH ONE!
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11 May 2010, 10:51 PM
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Gordo,
You weren't one of THE voters that were refused a vote on Thursday were you?!? You do seem a tad aggressive and personal. 100yrs ago (probably under tory) you would of been shot!!
You weren't one of THE voters that were refused a vote on Thursday were you?!?
You do seem a tad aggressive and personal. 100yrs ago (probably under tory) you would of been shot!!
11 May 2010, 10:51 PM
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I think he left with a good bit of dignity, infact his final speech to the people he worked with very, very good and showed his real passion for the labour party. I'd say if he was able to show a bit of that passion before hand he may have been able to cling onto power.
11 May 2010, 11:12 PM
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Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
11 May 2010, 11:22 PM
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You should be shot for your appalling grammar. Educated under Labour, were you?
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
You obviously have some deep issues... I would book an appointment with your NHS doctor, whilst you still have one.
11 May 2010, 11:23 PM
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You should be shot for your appalling grammar. Educated under Labour, were you?
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
Whilst I am front of the queue shouting for Brown's incompetence, particularly on the public stage, I do think that he genuinely believes that he was doing his best and was extremely passionate about doing the best for his country. He just wasn't very good at some key parts of it.
The timing tonight was odd - but he could not have done it without a nod from Cameron that he was able to take charge.
11 May 2010, 11:34 PM
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Whenever Brown resigned or whatever he said, you'd of had a sly dig, so don't give me all this it's my opinion BS, it's not your opinion it's your one-sided and completely transparent dogma
11 May 2010, 11:42 PM
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You should be shot for your appalling grammar. Educated under Labour, were you?
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
11 May 2010, 11:42 PM
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I think it was the most astute,timely & decisive move of Gordon Browns career:
Namely, "Get the f*ck out of Dodge,there's one hell of a sh*t storm coming!!!"
Namely, "Get the f*ck out of Dodge,there's one hell of a sh*t storm coming!!!"
11 May 2010, 11:42 PM
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I think it was the most astute,timely & decisive move of Gordon Browns career:
Namely, "Get the f*ck out of Dodge,there's one hell of a sh*t storm coming!!!"
Namely, "Get the f*ck out of Dodge,there's one hell of a sh*t storm coming!!!"
11 May 2010, 11:43 PM
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Hi Martin - we don't know each other at all, but welcome to the discussion.
Unlike others on here, I do not claim to be unbiased - yes, I'm bloody glad the Tories have got into Downing Street again - but only because I understand all too well the parlous state of the nation's balance sheet and p&l, and we need a change of government to maintain at least a semblance of honesty and politicians working in our interests rather than for their own power-hungry ends. I was glad when Major went because he'd lost the initiative, and thought Blair brought a fresh sense of optimism to the country. Unfortunately that's all now disappeared.
I geuninely feel Brown behaved badly this evening; not in the interests of the country but rather because he'd lost and had no other cards to play. He had Campbell and Mandelson pulling the strings in the background, and it was their parting shot, having failed to win the initiative with his announcement last night. It felt cheap and distasteful to me, and I am glad to see the back of him (as is, I'm sure, that poor 'bigoted' woman he encountered last week).
Good night.
Gordo
Unlike others on here, I do not claim to be unbiased - yes, I'm bloody glad the Tories have got into Downing Street again - but only because I understand all too well the parlous state of the nation's balance sheet and p&l, and we need a change of government to maintain at least a semblance of honesty and politicians working in our interests rather than for their own power-hungry ends. I was glad when Major went because he'd lost the initiative, and thought Blair brought a fresh sense of optimism to the country. Unfortunately that's all now disappeared.
I geuninely feel Brown behaved badly this evening; not in the interests of the country but rather because he'd lost and had no other cards to play. He had Campbell and Mandelson pulling the strings in the background, and it was their parting shot, having failed to win the initiative with his announcement last night. It felt cheap and distasteful to me, and I am glad to see the back of him (as is, I'm sure, that poor 'bigoted' woman he encountered last week).
Good night.
Gordo
12 May 2010, 12:04 AM
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Hi Martin - we don't know each other at all, but welcome to the discussion.
Unlike others on here, I do not claim to be unbiased - yes, I'm bloody glad the Tories have got into Downing Street again - but only because I understand all too well the parlous state of the nation's balance sheet and p&l, and we need a change of government to maintain at least a semblance of honesty and politicians working in our interests rather than for their own power-hungry ends. I was glad when Major went because he'd lost the initiative, and thought Blair brought a fresh sense of optimism to the country. Unfortunately that's all now disappeared.
I geuninely feel Brown behaved badly this evening; not in the interests of the country but rather because he'd lost and had no other cards to play. He had Campbell and Mandelson pulling the strings in the background, and it was their parting shot, having failed to win the initiative with his announcement last night. It felt cheap and distasteful to me, and I am glad to see the back of him (as is, I'm sure, that poor 'bigoted' woman he encountered last week).
Good night.
Gordo
Unlike others on here, I do not claim to be unbiased - yes, I'm bloody glad the Tories have got into Downing Street again - but only because I understand all too well the parlous state of the nation's balance sheet and p&l, and we need a change of government to maintain at least a semblance of honesty and politicians working in our interests rather than for their own power-hungry ends. I was glad when Major went because he'd lost the initiative, and thought Blair brought a fresh sense of optimism to the country. Unfortunately that's all now disappeared.
I geuninely feel Brown behaved badly this evening; not in the interests of the country but rather because he'd lost and had no other cards to play. He had Campbell and Mandelson pulling the strings in the background, and it was their parting shot, having failed to win the initiative with his announcement last night. It felt cheap and distasteful to me, and I am glad to see the back of him (as is, I'm sure, that poor 'bigoted' woman he encountered last week).
Good night.
Gordo
There is no absolute right and wrong here, and there really aint that much difference between New Labour and the Tories anyway, I mean just look at the policies they are virtually identical.
What annoys me is the tragic train of thought that leads to people posting comments that are anti absolutley everything one party does.
The main reason I'm a big fan of David Cameron (and you'll hate this sorry
) is because he reminds me of Tony Blair, now if he can avoid making some of the mistakes Blair made he has every chance of being a great PM
12 May 2010, 12:09 AM
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The problem with New Liebour was that they ran out of other peoples money to spend.
I'll have to face the repercussions along with the rest of the taxpayers for the next few years with more tax (no doubt) and reduced services (perhaps) but I welcome this with open arms if it means the freeloaders / cheats have a rude awakening in the coming weeks and months. Bring it ON!!!!!!
I'll have to face the repercussions along with the rest of the taxpayers for the next few years with more tax (no doubt) and reduced services (perhaps) but I welcome this with open arms if it means the freeloaders / cheats have a rude awakening in the coming weeks and months. Bring it ON!!!!!!
12 May 2010, 04:45 AM
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Cant believe the way some of you have treated Gordo, you may need to grow up yourselves.
Christ how many people make worse comments on a variety of subjects in here and dont get treated like that !
Labour are long gone Brown was a liar and Blair was a slimeball, the parties over get used to it.
Thankfully Labour are gone, we can rejoice and try and get this country back on it's feet both Socially and Financially. I'm with jods on this one, cant wait to see the benefit scroungers struggling, no more take take take, get off your Labour fed fat ***** and get a job, you only have to look at the political map of the country, the Red areas being benefit central.
Christ how many people make worse comments on a variety of subjects in here and dont get treated like that !
Labour are long gone Brown was a liar and Blair was a slimeball, the parties over get used to it.
Thankfully Labour are gone, we can rejoice and try and get this country back on it's feet both Socially and Financially. I'm with jods on this one, cant wait to see the benefit scroungers struggling, no more take take take, get off your Labour fed fat ***** and get a job, you only have to look at the political map of the country, the Red areas being benefit central.
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