Gordon has gone
12 May 2010, 08:28 AM
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Gogs resigning prior to this would serve little purpose.
And believe it or not i am not one of Browns' biggest supporters
12 May 2010, 09:08 AM
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12 May 2010, 09:13 AM
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LOL at the posters wanting "Freeloaders and Cheats" to get a hard time.......Not gonna happen, dude, trust me.
And as for the "Red areas" of the country being benefit central, (perhaps if the Lying Labour Party had done what it said and actually CARED about manufacturing, they wouldn't NEED benefits).........the reason they don't vote Tory is that the Tories took away their livelihoods: the mines, the steelworks, shipbuilding, manufacturing. Labour paid their beneifits and gave lip-service. The Tories gave nothing, and never will. Not to areas like those. Trust me again
And as for the "Red areas" of the country being benefit central, (perhaps if the Lying Labour Party had done what it said and actually CARED about manufacturing, they wouldn't NEED benefits).........the reason they don't vote Tory is that the Tories took away their livelihoods: the mines, the steelworks, shipbuilding, manufacturing. Labour paid their beneifits and gave lip-service. The Tories gave nothing, and never will. Not to areas like those. Trust me again
12 May 2010, 09:13 AM
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LOL at the posters wanting "Freeloaders and Cheats" to get a hard time.......Not gonna happen, dude, trust me.
And as for the "Red areas" of the country being benefit central, (perhaps if the Lying Labour Party had done what it said and actually CARED about manufacturing, they wouldn't NEED benefits).........the reason they don't vote Tory is that the Tories took away their livelihoods: the mines, the steelworks, shipbuilding, manufacturing. Labour paid their beneifits and gave lip-service. The Tories gave nothing, and never will. Not to areas like those. Trust me again
And as for the "Red areas" of the country being benefit central, (perhaps if the Lying Labour Party had done what it said and actually CARED about manufacturing, they wouldn't NEED benefits).........the reason they don't vote Tory is that the Tories took away their livelihoods: the mines, the steelworks, shipbuilding, manufacturing. Labour paid their beneifits and gave lip-service. The Tories gave nothing, and never will. Not to areas like those. Trust me again
12 May 2010, 09:17 AM
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You should be shot for your appalling grammar. Educated under Labour, were you?
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
Can't believe how much you lot (thought I suspect some, like Trout and F1 Fan are one and the same person) can't see what a pitiful thing Brown did tonight - couldn't win so he took his metaphorical ball home. No interest whatsoever in ensuring there was a safe handover - despite promising he'd do that several days ago. Utter chimp and redolent of the contempt he's had for the country throughout his premiership - he was never going to be anything other than greedy to keep power, as evidenced when he ignore the country's wishes for an election 18 months ago.
Thank goodness we can have some well-educated toffs in charge at last
In the cold light of day I am still puzzling over your comments.
Brown resigns and 30 minutes later there is a new Prime Minister. How is that not 'ensuring there was a safe handover'.
There seems to be a full and complete cabinet in place this morning.
12 May 2010, 10:02 AM
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Whatever we think of the way Flash did the job as either Chancellor or PM, and there is plenty of room to complain about that, I do not think he can be criticised for the manner in which he left the job as NL leader or with the dignified speech he made as he left.
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12 May 2010, 10:13 AM
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It's not like you to miss the point, but whilst Brown may not have formally resigned until the deal was done between Cameron and Clegg, he announced his standing down much earlier. A step which given negotaitions between the Lib Dems and both parties were still ongoing has been recognised by many respected political commentators as trying to throw a spanner in the works as a last ditch attempt to keep labour in power.
The move of someone with the countries best interest at heart? I don't think so.
Good bye any good riddence.
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12 May 2010, 10:34 AM
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I think that does sum it up quite nicely. He hung on for nearly as long as Maggie did. She was practically shoved out of the door before they managed to get her out.
12 May 2010, 10:40 AM
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12 May 2010, 10:53 AM
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It's not like you to miss the point, but whilst Brown may not have formally resigned until the deal was done between Cameron and Clegg, he announced his standing down much earlier. A step which given negotaitions between the Lib Dems and both parties were still ongoing has been recognised by many respected political commentators as trying to throw a spanner in the works as a last ditch attempt to keep labour in power.
The move of someone with the countries best interest at heart? I don't think so.
Good bye any good riddence.
It's not like you to miss the point, but whilst Brown may not have formally resigned until the deal was done between Cameron and Clegg, he announced his standing down much earlier. A step which given negotaitions between the Lib Dems and both parties were still ongoing has been recognised by many respected political commentators as trying to throw a spanner in the works as a last ditch attempt to keep labour in power.
The move of someone with the countries best interest at heart? I don't think so.
Good bye any good riddence.
I do think the OP was referring to last nights resignation as PM and I do not agree with his comments of petulant and childish behaviour or not ensuring safe handover as he had promised.
12 May 2010, 11:08 AM
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The difference is that my post like most on here was opinion and an opinion I believe in and I have backed up my statement very well (just because you choose to ignore any of the points I raised doesn't make them go away). You may rejoice at a load of foreigners getting killed in, at best, dubious circumstances, I choose not to. C'est la vie.
Whereas UB made a statement of fact and intent to show how strongly he felt about New Labour and then faield to carry it through despite lots of vitriolic rhetoric. Like so many on SN, all words, no action.
Whereas UB made a statement of fact and intent to show how strongly he felt about New Labour and then faield to carry it through despite lots of vitriolic rhetoric. Like so many on SN, all words, no action.
and as for ingoring points you raised - a leaf out of you book i'm afraid
12 May 2010, 11:23 AM
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Look, do not put words into my mouth, nowhere have i rejoiced at the loss of life on either side. It was war and we where at war with a (in some cases non conscript) tough, well armed enemy. As i have said it was the Argenties who chose to commit the Belgrano to protect the two aircraft carriers. An ancient ship, in it self not a problem but poorly maintained and poorly managed with zero anti-sub drill/proceedures.
and as for ingoring points you raised - a leaf out of you book i'm afraid
and as for ingoring points you raised - a leaf out of you book i'm afraid
I just think war is a nasty business and should be a last resort, something both Blair and Thatch could have done to think about. If that makes me a 'leftie' pacifist in your eyes then so be it. I can live with that.
12 May 2010, 11:31 AM
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As chancellor over saw one of the longest periods of growth in uk history.
Also freed the BoE from the state and handed over a chunk of monetary policy (interest rates etc) to people who actually know more about it that a bunch of civil servants.
Also, after decades of cuts got NHS spending back up to the same level as the rest of europe (failed to cut out a lot of waste though)
Pressed on with the credit crunch spending and was actually followed in the same policy by 12 other countries.
Kept Britain out of the Euro when Blair et al wanted to join - now looking like one hell of a move.
No statesman at all but to say he's done nothing makes this look like the Roman's bit from Life of Brian.
5t.
12 May 2010, 11:35 AM
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Sure about that?
As chancellor over saw one of the longest periods of growth in uk history.
Also freed the BoE from the state and handed over a chunk of monetary policy (interest rates etc) to people who actually know more about it that a bunch of civil servants.
Also, after decades of cuts got NHS spending back up to the same level as the rest of europe (failed to cut out a lot of waste though)
Pressed on with the credit crunch spending and was actually followed in the same policy by 12 other countries.
Kept Britain out of the Euro when Blair et al wanted to join - now looking like one hell of a move.
No statesman at all but to say he's done nothing makes this look like the Roman's bit from Life of Brian.
5t.
As chancellor over saw one of the longest periods of growth in uk history.
Also freed the BoE from the state and handed over a chunk of monetary policy (interest rates etc) to people who actually know more about it that a bunch of civil servants.
Also, after decades of cuts got NHS spending back up to the same level as the rest of europe (failed to cut out a lot of waste though)
Pressed on with the credit crunch spending and was actually followed in the same policy by 12 other countries.
Kept Britain out of the Euro when Blair et al wanted to join - now looking like one hell of a move.
No statesman at all but to say he's done nothing makes this look like the Roman's bit from Life of Brian.
5t.
Can't fault any of that and as much as I dislike the man, his party and many of their policies I don't wish him ill.
Great analogy 5t
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12 May 2010, 11:44 AM
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Sure about that?
As chancellor over saw one of the longest periods of growth in uk history.
Also freed the BoE from the state and handed over a chunk of monetary policy (interest rates etc) to people who actually know more about it that a bunch of civil servants.
Also, after decades of cuts got NHS spending back up to the same level as the rest of europe (failed to cut out a lot of waste though)
5t.
As chancellor over saw one of the longest periods of growth in uk history.
Also freed the BoE from the state and handed over a chunk of monetary policy (interest rates etc) to people who actually know more about it that a bunch of civil servants.
Also, after decades of cuts got NHS spending back up to the same level as the rest of europe (failed to cut out a lot of waste though)
5t.
All on borrowed money though unfortunately, and now we are paying back £1.2 billion a week just on the interest payments.
12 May 2010, 11:50 AM
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Video out already of his greatest moments ... http://grumpyoldtwat.blogspot.com/20...best-bits.html
Enjoy!
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Enjoy!
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12 May 2010, 12:09 PM
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Sure about that?
As chancellor over saw one of the longest periods of growth in uk history.
Also freed the BoE from the state and handed over a chunk of monetary policy (interest rates etc) to people who actually know more about it that a bunch of civil servants.
Also, after decades of cuts got NHS spending back up to the same level as the rest of europe (failed to cut out a lot of waste though)
Pressed on with the credit crunch spending and was actually followed in the same policy by 12 other countries.
Kept Britain out of the Euro when Blair et al wanted to join - now looking like one hell of a move.
No statesman at all but to say he's done nothing makes this look like the Roman's bit from Life of Brian.
5t.
As chancellor over saw one of the longest periods of growth in uk history.
Also freed the BoE from the state and handed over a chunk of monetary policy (interest rates etc) to people who actually know more about it that a bunch of civil servants.
Also, after decades of cuts got NHS spending back up to the same level as the rest of europe (failed to cut out a lot of waste though)
Pressed on with the credit crunch spending and was actually followed in the same policy by 12 other countries.
Kept Britain out of the Euro when Blair et al wanted to join - now looking like one hell of a move.
No statesman at all but to say he's done nothing makes this look like the Roman's bit from Life of Brian.
5t.
Woa hang on a minute, I don't claim to be a financial historian, but
Labour took over a good economy from the Tories in 97
BoE setting rates was a good move but woeful neglect of lending and investment regulations for banks and invesment houses contributed to toxic debt
So how much was the gold war chest Gordon sold?
The Euro, Gordon had no say on it, the only reason Labour didn't go in was due the the forced election promise of a referendum on the matter - which Labour knew the UK wouldn't vote for.
For someone who's strapline contained the word 'prudence' have you looked at the national debt he left us with. All his doing, no hiding from that.
12 May 2010, 12:50 PM
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Strange that Labour won in 97 what with the economy doign well etc...
hhmmmm. Financial deregulation didn't start with Labour either... they didn't tighten it but it was some free market party to the right that un did it all...
The debt - yes but that's just like the rest of europe and it looks like the best policy to keep us at least on life support. Not said it was a perfect job but for many people on here to say that he never did a thing is just plain wrong.
5t.
hhmmmm. Financial deregulation didn't start with Labour either... they didn't tighten it but it was some free market party to the right that un did it all...
The debt - yes but that's just like the rest of europe and it looks like the best policy to keep us at least on life support. Not said it was a perfect job but for many people on here to say that he never did a thing is just plain wrong.
5t.
12 May 2010, 01:00 PM
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12 May 2010, 01:05 PM
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Lets not forget his well-timed little raid on the pension funds either. That'll be at least three years added to most of our working lives...
12 May 2010, 01:39 PM
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I think everyone needs to accept that when these pillocks..(sorry politicians) start spouting "In the interest of a secure and stable government" they actually mean "In the interest of our party getting into power".
Life's much simpler then
Life's much simpler then
12 May 2010, 02:41 PM
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And the reality is that neither of us will ever know the truth. So it comes down to opinion.
