4 shot dead in Cumbria
02 June 2010, 05:02 PM
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I have mentioned before that I think that violent crime is getting worse as time goes by. There seems to be little value put on life any more by so many of the criminal classes. I get the impression that more of them are prepared to kill to try and avoid being identified if they are caught at it!
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02 June 2010, 05:14 PM
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It's been unreal here today. Work was locked down and everyone was trying to find out what was happening. Most folk know victims as it's such a close-knit community. He was driving round randomly shooting people at point blank range, usually in the face 
. Glad yours are all OK Steve.
. Glad yours are all OK Steve.
02 June 2010, 05:56 PM
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It has certainly been another sad day for us in West Cumbria today , it has been surreal since last November and the floods . The death toll is somewhere between 12 and 18 I believe and 25 injured , some critically. A rampage by a taxi driver with a shot gun and a sniper type rifle , to be fair in my experience 99% of taxi drivers are a sub-species anyway. RIP all those unfortunate souls who lost their lives , I knew at least one of them.
02 June 2010, 07:42 PM
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just watching this on the news now !! the bloke seemed very troubled indeed !!!RIP the poor innocents !!
02 June 2010, 08:36 PM
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Not great news today really. If someone is going to do that why not just shoot themselves?
No doubt the reasonable firearms owners will now be treated like second class citizens again thanks to this bozo.
No doubt the reasonable firearms owners will now be treated like second class citizens again thanks to this bozo.
02 June 2010, 08:58 PM
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I too am from Cumbria, just down the road from Whitehaven in Seaton. Moved away years ago. I just hope Whitehaven doesn't become one of those words you associate with murder and death, like Hungerford and Dunblane etc. It's been a very bad few weeks for Cumbria.
02 June 2010, 09:11 PM
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It's been unreal here today. Work was locked down and everyone was trying to find out what was happening. Most folk know victims as it's such a close-knit community. He was driving round randomly shooting people at point blank range, usually in the face . Glad yours are all OK Steve.
. Glad yours are all OK Steve.Steve
02 June 2010, 09:29 PM
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A sad day for West Cumbria it's just mind bogling. My thoughts are with the victims familys
Mark glad to hear your ok and your family too steve, not see either of you for some time now!
15 dead and 25 injured, 2 critical
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it's just mind bogling. My thoughts are with the victims familys Mark glad to hear your ok and your family too steve, not see either of you for some time now!
15 dead and 25 injured, 2 critical
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02 June 2010, 09:43 PM
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02 June 2010, 10:25 PM
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02 June 2010, 10:56 PM
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Yes good old Charlton and the NRA used to have the neck to show up after mass murders in the US extolling the virtues of the second ammendment and guns in general , classic trite comments like 'it aint the gun that kills it the person holding it' etc , I say tell that to the families of the dead.
btw I know people who own guns, and whilst they repulse me, I don't necessarily agree with banning everything. I think we need to avoid the usual knee-jerk reactions, and work out what could/should be done to help prevent this happening again. I suspect there is no simple answer to that!
People are talking about this guy using a snipers rifle, I don't know much about guns, but surely they canot be legal, anyone know?
02 June 2010, 11:05 PM
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Can't believe this has happened today in Cumbria
people just doing their everyday things then shot dead
with many injured
whitehaven will be remembered by everyone like dunblane and hungerforth
derek bird will be splashed over the papers and media and questions will be asked
what has happened to this world we live in ?
And what makes these guys do such evil deeds
people just doing their everyday things then shot dead
with many injured
whitehaven will be remembered by everyone like dunblane and hungerforth
derek bird will be splashed over the papers and media and questions will be asked
what has happened to this world we live in ?
And what makes these guys do such evil deeds
02 June 2010, 11:20 PM
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This was the first point on the 07:00 News bulletin this morning on the way to work here in Sydney, shocking absolutely shocking, thoughts go out to those who died and their loved ones
02 June 2010, 11:31 PM
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Can't believe this has happened today in Cumbria
people just doing their everyday things then shot dead
with many injured
whitehaven will be remembered by everyone like dunblane and hungerforth
derek bird will be splashed over the papers and media and questions will be asked
what has happened to this world we live in ?
And what makes these guys do such evil deeds
people just doing their everyday things then shot dead
with many injured
whitehaven will be remembered by everyone like dunblane and hungerforth
derek bird will be splashed over the papers and media and questions will be asked
what has happened to this world we live in ?
And what makes these guys do such evil deeds
Not taking anything away from todays events, but committing awful acts is nothing new, whether it be a gun, bomb or whatever. People do this, and the reasons will be different but I can't help thinking you must have a screw loose to go this far, no matter what may 'tip a person over the edge'. Plenty of people have bad things happen to them in life, but I'd say most don't go on to do such awful things.
Personally, I don't think we should use this thread to debate the banning of guns, as banning doesn't stop such acts, and it takes it away from focusing on how awful this was, and feeling for all involved.
I might not have known anyone involved, but my thoughts go out to those who have lost loved ones.
02 June 2010, 11:40 PM
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I don't think it's so shocking. Yes it's very unusual but it doesn't take much for the fabric of society to unravel. In today's times when people are under more and more pressures if they have the means there to act on some feelings then the potential for bad actions is there. Once you've crossed a line as this man did then he may have seen no going back and the mayhem ensues. It may come down to a planned spree or an opportune moment caused by a weapon to hand and an argument that got out of hand.
One thing I often consider as somebody who believes this life is final and there is no god or afterlife to face that if you were to do something like this then there are no real consequences to face if you are prepared to deal with yourself at the end of it. That final bit in itself goes against all normal animal instincts but it does mean that in the personal battle a person may face these acts carry less weight. I guess in a world with people waking up to the fact that there is no god we may see more acts like this...
One thing I often consider as somebody who believes this life is final and there is no god or afterlife to face that if you were to do something like this then there are no real consequences to face if you are prepared to deal with yourself at the end of it. That final bit in itself goes against all normal animal instincts but it does mean that in the personal battle a person may face these acts carry less weight. I guess in a world with people waking up to the fact that there is no god we may see more acts like this...
02 June 2010, 11:42 PM
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As for the banning guns thing... I bet this happens far more often in places where you can get guns easily. supply and demand, opportunity and desire. Both driving factors. It's the same argument as dangerous dogs almost.
03 June 2010, 09:06 AM
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Yes good old Charlton and the NRA used to have the neck to show up after mass murders in the US extolling the virtues of the second ammendment and guns in general , classic trite comments like 'it aint the gun that kills it the person holding it' etc , I say tell that to the families of the dead.
btw I know people who own guns, and whilst they repulse me, I don't necessarily agree with banning everything. I think we need to avoid the usual knee-jerk reactions, and work out what could/should be done to help prevent this happening again. I suspect there is no simple answer to that!
People are talking about this guy using a snipers rifle, I don't know much about guns, but surely they canot be legal, anyone know?
btw I know people who own guns, and whilst they repulse me, I don't necessarily agree with banning everything. I think we need to avoid the usual knee-jerk reactions, and work out what could/should be done to help prevent this happening again. I suspect there is no simple answer to that!
People are talking about this guy using a snipers rifle, I don't know much about guns, but surely they canot be legal, anyone know?
03 June 2010, 10:09 AM
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There is no answer to what can happen when someone falls out of their tree like this. How can the authorities possibly prevent such a thing without previous knowledge of a possible mental problem. Its a terrible tragedy and I feel very sorry for all those affected by what happened. I think it has to be regarded as part of life and just hope it does not happen too often.
I don't think guns laws would have any effect either.
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I don't think guns laws would have any effect either.
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03 June 2010, 10:24 AM
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Tried to hail a cab this morning. He shot straight past me...
In all serious tho, pretty shocking and the last place you'd expect something like that to happen really.
In all serious tho, pretty shocking and the last place you'd expect something like that to happen really.
03 June 2010, 10:29 AM
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The rain would drive me mad , but then thery havnt had any there this year apparently ....
Could happen absolutley anywhere ..!
its in the mind of the individual ..!
Could happen absolutley anywhere ..!
its in the mind of the individual ..!
03 June 2010, 11:08 AM
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One thing I often consider as somebody who believes this life is final and there is no god or afterlife to face that if you were to do something like this then there are no real consequences to face if you are prepared to deal with yourself at the end of it. That final bit in itself goes against all normal animal instincts but it does mean that in the personal battle a person may face these acts carry less weight. I guess in a world with people waking up to the fact that there is no god we may see more acts like this...
I had the same discussion with my missus a few weeks ago, and basically said the same, whatever you think when you are alive, IMO means nothing when you are dead, because it is all over.
We even discussed this point, (yeah its wrong and its full of the devil, blahh blahh blahh) If a chap REALLY gets off on killing people, spends his life fantasizing about it, and then goes on a rampage, killing himself at the end, he has probably had a much happier life than many "normal" folk.
03 June 2010, 11:22 AM
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EDIT: Without the killing himself at the end part obviously, but then I guess we may hear more on that .....
03 June 2010, 12:06 PM
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bbc are now saying he held a gun license for 20 years, The nutters are now calling for all guns to be banned. I even heard someone on the radio use the argument that suicide rates with farmers would be reduced if shotguns were banned.