PROBLEM???? car just went bang????
06 June 2010, 12:58 AM
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We all learn from misunderstandings. But this is the good thing about being part of a forum like Scoobynet, you can post a question and it is very likely someone on here will have been there and got the t-shirt so will be able to tell you what you need to do. It is always better to ask early and be told 'that is fine' rather wait till it has gone bang. Also never be afraid to get in touch with the person who maps your car and try to stick with the same person as they will have previous data and pick up problems early. My car was initially mapped in 2004, the only person that touches it is the same guy and prior to mod's he cvan get upto 20 e-mails checking that my plans are good and I take his advice. Each time it has been re-mapped we have hit the target spot on.
06 June 2010, 09:15 AM
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the restrictor pill goes in the hose from the turbo not the actuator
Sounds like boost control is needing work if the boost is jerky and as said it has overboosted and hit boost cut. The CEL will probably be code P0244.
I would certainly be recommending a walbro 255 fuel pump. For the sake of £70 why risk an engine ? Assuming the old fuel pump was fine you will not need to have the map checked or changed when fitting (but it needs sorting for the boost control)
Sounds like boost control is needing work if the boost is jerky and as said it has overboosted and hit boost cut. The CEL will probably be code P0244.
I would certainly be recommending a walbro 255 fuel pump. For the sake of £70 why risk an engine ? Assuming the old fuel pump was fine you will not need to have the map checked or changed when fitting (but it needs sorting for the boost control)
07 June 2010, 09:28 AM
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just recapping.. you had it mapped and you have now hit what sounds like the boost cut.. so the boost cut is either slightly too low or the boost slightly too high, or a pipe has a leak / come off.
Have you spoken to the mapper?
If the fuel pump was not mentioned as an issue when it was mapped then it is silly to change it without a tweak as it will run richer and lose you power.
Simon
Have you spoken to the mapper?
If the fuel pump was not mentioned as an issue when it was mapped then it is silly to change it without a tweak as it will run richer and lose you power.
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07 June 2010, 04:25 PM
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UPDATE.
Right took the car to the garage today. Put the launch computer on and got the code P0244 with the explination too.
Checked the position of the "pill" which does come from the turbo pipe and not the actuator. We also put the clips on the end of the pips from the actuator and the turbo as we had forgot to put them back on. There was also another pipe which had come loose, but can't remember the name of it. It is about 10mm internal diameter and comes from like a very small cylinder on the drivers side of the car near to the shock, but under the bonnet....something to do with the exhaust if i remember right.
The garage also spoke to the mapper and he said a upgraded fuel pump wouldn't go a miss and shouldn't need the map tweeking for this. He also suggested that if it did it again i could change the .7 pill to a .8 as a short term solution.
I have also checked the code on the turbo and it is a V23 and have checked another blobeye and it is a v35.
So i now know quite a bit more. I am going to see how the car goes now. Hopefully with all of the above done it should now be fine.
Just wanna say a big thanks to AVS for their assistance today and a big thanks to you guys!!!
Right took the car to the garage today. Put the launch computer on and got the code P0244 with the explination too.
Checked the position of the "pill" which does come from the turbo pipe and not the actuator. We also put the clips on the end of the pips from the actuator and the turbo as we had forgot to put them back on. There was also another pipe which had come loose, but can't remember the name of it. It is about 10mm internal diameter and comes from like a very small cylinder on the drivers side of the car near to the shock, but under the bonnet....something to do with the exhaust if i remember right.
The garage also spoke to the mapper and he said a upgraded fuel pump wouldn't go a miss and shouldn't need the map tweeking for this. He also suggested that if it did it again i could change the .7 pill to a .8 as a short term solution.
I have also checked the code on the turbo and it is a V23 and have checked another blobeye and it is a v35.
So i now know quite a bit more. I am going to see how the car goes now. Hopefully with all of the above done it should now be fine.
Just wanna say a big thanks to AVS for their assistance today and a big thanks to you guys!!!
07 June 2010, 04:45 PM
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looks like the pipe i am refering to above , which wasn't connected is to the selonoid. I have just read it on another thread. That should be problem solved hopefully.
07 June 2010, 05:18 PM
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I'm very surprised the mapper didn't advise, or even insist, that a higher flow pump was fitted!
When the PPP was first available on the Bugeye STi a number of engines were 'lost' due to starvation at high revs/load. Hence it's subsequent inclusion.
JohnD
When the PPP was first available on the Bugeye STi a number of engines were 'lost' due to starvation at high revs/load. Hence it's subsequent inclusion.
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07 June 2010, 09:47 PM
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Not yet.lol maybe should have been the first thing I should ask!!
Seams to be a genuine guy though and he will be doing a lot of work for the garage i went to so will be seeing him again soon anyways. TBH I am gonna get the walbro pump and probably get a decat pipe, upgrade sparks and get it mapped again anyway. I seam to have the bug now!!!! Will defo be taking all the advice I have had on here though!
Seams to be a genuine guy though and he will be doing a lot of work for the garage i went to so will be seeing him again soon anyways. TBH I am gonna get the walbro pump and probably get a decat pipe, upgrade sparks and get it mapped again anyway. I seam to have the bug now!!!! Will defo be taking all the advice I have had on here though!
07 June 2010, 11:38 PM
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the difference with a custom map is the car can be mapped to what ever pump is fitted, obviously it needs to be upto the job which the standard one is.. but for the sake of the cost of the walbro and the short time it takes to fit it is always worth it to make sure.
08 June 2010, 04:11 AM
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UPDATE.
Right took the car to the garage today. Put the launch computer on and got the code P0244 with the explination too.
Checked the position of the "pill" which does come from the turbo pipe and not the actuator. We also put the clips on the end of the pips from the actuator and the turbo as we had forgot to put them back on. There was also another pipe which had come loose, but can't remember the name of it. It is about 10mm internal diameter and comes from like a very small cylinder on the drivers side of the car near to the shock, but under the bonnet....something to do with the exhaust if i remember right.
The garage also spoke to the mapper and he said a upgraded fuel pump wouldn't go a miss and shouldn't need the map tweeking for this. He also suggested that if it did it again i could change the .7 pill to a .8 as a short term solution.
I have also checked the code on the turbo and it is a V23 and have checked another blobeye and it is a v35.
So i now know quite a bit more. I am going to see how the car goes now. Hopefully with all of the above done it should now be fine.
Just wanna say a big thanks to AVS for their assistance today and a big thanks to you guys!!!
Right took the car to the garage today. Put the launch computer on and got the code P0244 with the explination too.
Checked the position of the "pill" which does come from the turbo pipe and not the actuator. We also put the clips on the end of the pips from the actuator and the turbo as we had forgot to put them back on. There was also another pipe which had come loose, but can't remember the name of it. It is about 10mm internal diameter and comes from like a very small cylinder on the drivers side of the car near to the shock, but under the bonnet....something to do with the exhaust if i remember right.
The garage also spoke to the mapper and he said a upgraded fuel pump wouldn't go a miss and shouldn't need the map tweeking for this. He also suggested that if it did it again i could change the .7 pill to a .8 as a short term solution.
I have also checked the code on the turbo and it is a V23 and have checked another blobeye and it is a v35.
So i now know quite a bit more. I am going to see how the car goes now. Hopefully with all of the above done it should now be fine.
Just wanna say a big thanks to AVS for their assistance today and a big thanks to you guys!!!
08 June 2010, 09:50 AM
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the difference with a custom map is the car can be mapped to what ever pump is fitted, obviously it needs to be upto the job which the standard one is.. but for the sake of the cost of the walbro and the short time it takes to fit it is always worth it to make sure.
JohnD
08 June 2010, 06:36 PM
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Right further update.
Been out tonight for a short run. Then..... if i am right in 6th gear at about 4 thousand revs. I felt the car juder and the light the engine light came on. So the problem is still there!
I spoke to the garage and when he spoke to the technician yesterday he suggested possible putting a .8 pill in as apose to the .7 which he had put in. The best i could do for now, is put the pill in which was origiinally in the car prior to the tech touching it. I think it is a .9 pill. As soon as i turned on the car the engine management light went off. Went for a quick blat down the dual carriageway and all seams good, although the car does seam to be running a lot slower. Is this my imagination and have i done the right thing?
I have asked the garage to order me a Walbro 255 pump asap and to get it fitted asap!
Would it be worth fitting a manual boost adjuster???
Been out tonight for a short run. Then..... if i am right in 6th gear at about 4 thousand revs. I felt the car juder and the light the engine light came on. So the problem is still there!
I spoke to the garage and when he spoke to the technician yesterday he suggested possible putting a .8 pill in as apose to the .7 which he had put in. The best i could do for now, is put the pill in which was origiinally in the car prior to the tech touching it. I think it is a .9 pill. As soon as i turned on the car the engine management light went off. Went for a quick blat down the dual carriageway and all seams good, although the car does seam to be running a lot slower. Is this my imagination and have i done the right thing?
I have asked the garage to order me a Walbro 255 pump asap and to get it fitted asap!
Would it be worth fitting a manual boost adjuster???
Last edited by blue00; 08 June 2010 at 06:37 PM. Reason: Updated question
08 June 2010, 06:45 PM
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get a pump fitted check all pipes if turbo's been changed for stock vf35 to a vf 23 it might not have been plumed in properly swap it out for a 35 change pump and get it mapped properly !! btw who mapped it ? dont fit manual boost adjuster u will defo blow t up !!!!!!
08 June 2010, 07:02 PM
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cheers band wagon. However i just found this
Originally Posted by gazturbo1
hi there im having afew problems with the wrx at the moment ,its a lreg. Well whats happening is the moment it hits 4.5k it feels like its hiting fuel cut.. I have tried reading the ecu by connecting the green wires together and black wires but no fault codes have came up. I have vacumn tested all hoses to the boost solenoid and they are ok, every gear this fault hapens and its driving me mad! Any help appreciated cheers
i had the same problem mate, i got a manual boost controller fitted, cost me 27 pounds and then the labour on top, now its boosting better than ever... the fuel cuts to stop any harm to your engine. doesn't feel good tho, nearly throws you through the windscreen
also if you have an induction kit it can wreek havok with the maf sensors. but defo think about a manual boost valve.. hope you get it sorted
The fella who mapped it is ex prodrive and has done work for WRC too. His name is Terry Stamper.
He did another impreza on the same day which is a rally car. Totaly different spec and that seams to be running fine. Mine was ruuning a lot better too, but just have this problem and from reading other threads on here i am convinced it is "boost cut", but i aint no pro!!??????
I get the impression some of the peeps posting think the turbo is part of the issue, but its the same turbo that was on the car prior to mapping and i didn't have any problem before mapping.
Originally Posted by gazturbo1
hi there im having afew problems with the wrx at the moment ,its a lreg. Well whats happening is the moment it hits 4.5k it feels like its hiting fuel cut.. I have tried reading the ecu by connecting the green wires together and black wires but no fault codes have came up. I have vacumn tested all hoses to the boost solenoid and they are ok, every gear this fault hapens and its driving me mad! Any help appreciated cheers
i had the same problem mate, i got a manual boost controller fitted, cost me 27 pounds and then the labour on top, now its boosting better than ever... the fuel cuts to stop any harm to your engine. doesn't feel good tho, nearly throws you through the windscreen
also if you have an induction kit it can wreek havok with the maf sensors. but defo think about a manual boost valve.. hope you get it sorted
The fella who mapped it is ex prodrive and has done work for WRC too. His name is Terry Stamper.
He did another impreza on the same day which is a rally car. Totaly different spec and that seams to be running fine. Mine was ruuning a lot better too, but just have this problem and from reading other threads on here i am convinced it is "boost cut", but i aint no pro!!??????
I get the impression some of the peeps posting think the turbo is part of the issue, but its the same turbo that was on the car prior to mapping and i didn't have any problem before mapping.
08 June 2010, 07:09 PM
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There have been no mods since the map. i had it mapped and the next day the problem started. I am only changing things now to try and resolve the issue. Although when checking as mentioned previously i noticed a pipe was not connected to the selonoid and the clips where not put back on the pipe which the pill was fitted to. So i have put the pipe back on and the clips on the other pipe and the problem was still there.
So I have now left them pipes connected and have changed what i believe is a .7 pill to a .9 pill. the .9 pill being what was in the pipe before the tech touched it. The problem seams to have gone, but the car feels a lot slower now.
Trying to get hold of the techs number so i can speak to him direct.
The tech came well recommended from someone who had used him before and was using him again, hence me going with him. TBH he seams to know his stuff too! Just wish i could speak to him to get the issue resolved.
There have been no mods since the map. i had it mapped and the next day the problem started. I am only changing things now to try and resolve the issue. Although when checking as mentioned previously i noticed a pipe was not connected to the selonoid and the clips where not put back on the pipe which the pill was fitted to. So i have put the pipe back on and the clips on the other pipe and the problem was still there.
So I have now left them pipes connected and have changed what i believe is a .7 pill to a .9 pill. the .9 pill being what was in the pipe before the tech touched it. The problem seams to have gone, but the car feels a lot slower now.
Trying to get hold of the techs number so i can speak to him direct.
The tech came well recommended from someone who had used him before and was using him again, hence me going with him. TBH he seams to know his stuff too! Just wish i could speak to him to get the issue resolved.
08 June 2010, 07:36 PM
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To be honest i am thinking that myself. Gone wrong since remapped and as i believe you and some others have said you custom map cars to match what is on the car, not map a car and add things after!!
Thanks for you help though.
Rob
Thanks for you help though.
Rob
08 June 2010, 08:13 PM
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Sorry for my ingnorance as I havent read all the thread, but have read most. It seems that you are trying to rectify the probelm yourself - have you not told the mapper or at least taken it back to the mapper. He can plug and watch everything that the car is doing at any given time thus tell you the problem without playing process of ellimination blind folded. Walbro's are £72 at Lateral - you got your garage to order one... whats he ordered and at what cost?
08 June 2010, 08:20 PM
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he has rodered me a walbro 255, thats what i have asked for. If i don't fit it soon i will defo fit it with the next load of mods. The big problem is the mapper came some 200 ish miles away to do my car. I have checked the car myself and rectified a lose pipe and 2 missing clips before sepaking to the mapper. After speaking to the mapper and informing him (via the garage) he said see if it does it again and if so try putting a .8 pill in as a short term solution.
TBH i am convinced i need him to pay another visit. A friend of mine drove it whilst it was mapped as he knows more about scoobies than me and i trust him! He is a top guy. They didn't have this issue, but i might be driving it different. This issue is only happening whilst driving on bypasses too.
TBH i am convinced i need him to pay another visit. A friend of mine drove it whilst it was mapped as he knows more about scoobies than me and i trust him! He is a top guy. They didn't have this issue, but i might be driving it different. This issue is only happening whilst driving on bypasses too.
08 June 2010, 08:25 PM
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the smaller the pill hole the more boost it produces , i did say to be carefull of that mapper .
we had one with a 1 mm hole and it was 1.8bar !!!!! !!!! it would of died., had to be a 1.2 mm hole for 1.2 bar .
we had one with a 1 mm hole and it was 1.8bar !!!!! !!!! it would of died., had to be a 1.2 mm hole for 1.2 bar .
08 June 2010, 09:36 PM
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To be honest i am not in the game of slaging peeps off (no disrespect) until they have had the opitunity of sorting things out. I am based in Wrexham