scud8

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And your use of "due to" in that sentence is grammatically incorrect - you can only use "due to" when "caused by" would be equally correct, otherwise use "because of".

Terminator X

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I was taught to avoid using "but" as it's very negative ... just redo the sentance without it - Whilst I'm no great shakes in the grammar dept, I do agree with you

TX.

jonc

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Toffee

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Shocking, its a Subaru forum

Jonnys3

Predictive text is so much faster and comprehensible. I fail to understand why anybody still chooses to use 'text speak' over plain English.

RA Dunk

lool, I understand very little of the above and I'm not even going to waste my time trying to decode what it actually means, how people can be bothered trying decipher **** like this in a text message is beyond me.

RA Dunk

Thats right, it's a Subaru forum which uses the English language.

Lee247

I detest text speak

Leslie

I saw it reported but I have no link I'm afraid. Yes I agree it is shocking if true and as you say, difficult to believe. If I find a link I will say.

Les

StickyMicky

Years ago a load of japs came over to visit the factory that was making the Nissan seats (next door Nissan) as you could imagine this was a "big" visit for the factory.

Japs arrived in car, straight into the car park, got out, looked at some rubbish in the corner, and got back in the car, then drove away and cancelled the visit.

Apparently some ***** were broken that day, the whole point of the visit was for the factory to prove it could make the new line of seats required for a Nissan model, they lost the contract!

My spooling and grammar is a bit crap, as i type, i usually have the spoolchecker telling me i am an illiterate dick
But even I have some limits on what i will read, i am pretty crap at it myself, but i tend to spot flaws in others work a lot easier than my own for some reason, i get a lot of CV`s sent to me, and some of them are utterly shocking, never even bothered some people due to the shoddy paperwork they have sent me, feels great highlighting all the mistakes with a red pen

The only exception i can think of, was one lad who sent in a crappy CV, full to the brim of errors, including the wrong bloody phone number LOL, i needed somebody at the time, but i sacked him off due to gut instinct, but he persevered, kept trying to contact me, eventually catching me off guard when i picked up the phone one day, got him in for an interview, and gave him the job, one of the best workers i have had to be honest, he never wrote the CV, some "get back to work official" type did it for him

Leslie

I agree with what you say about all those reasons and can back what you say from personal experience.

I do stand however by what I said about the educational standards giving a false impression of the real standards which are being achieved.

Due to the efforts on my school and my parents I was able to read fluently at a fairly young age and the fact that I read a lot of books as I still do, did a great deal for the rest of my general education. I was very lucky especially since I came from a poor family background.

The moral degradation we have seen in this country over a good many years now is very much at the root of these problems.

Les

Leslie

Well at least I understood the word "meaningless"

Les

Markus

I'll not comment on the whole Spelling / Grammar **** on a Subaru forum thing, my views on that are well known.

When it comes to business correspondence I will agree that it is far more important, especially when technical details are being discussed. I'll admit I'm far from perfect, but I have never had any complaints about the spelling or grammatical content of my written communications, be they electronic or otherwise, and I have been known to exchange extremely verbose and detailed messages with others.

Another factor one needs to consider is wether english is actually the primary language of the person you are corresponding with. It is possible they may be writing using english but their phraseology is from another dialect entirely.
I exchange emails with many people and from their emails you could consider them having a poor grasp of english, then you find out that this is not their mother tongue, these aren't all line animals either, some are senior management.

One could no doubt argue that you should not be in a senior position without perfect spelling or grammar, but I don't agree with that. As said by others on here, their actual skills could lie in areas where knowing your from you're isn't a priority.

Markus

I'll not comment on the whole Spelling / Grammar **** on a Subaru forum thing, my views on that are well known.

When it comes to business correspondence I will agree that it is far more important, especially when technical details are being discussed. I'll admit I'm far from perfect, but I have never had any complaints about the spelling or grammatical content of my written communications, be they electronic or otherwise, and I have been known to exchange extremely verbose and detailed messages with others.

Another factor one needs to consider is wether english is actually the primary language of the person you are corresponding with. It is possible they may be writing using english but their phraseology is from another dialect entirely.
I exchange emails with many people and from their emails you could consider them having a poor grasp of english, then you find out that this is not their mother tongue, these aren't all line animals either, some are senior management.

One could no doubt argue that you should not be in a senior position without perfect spelling or grammar, but I don't agree with that. As said by others on here, their actual skills could lie in areas where knowing your from you're isn't a priority.

Leslie

Try this one as a start, 100,000 school leavers can't read it says!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l0M6aGbfY04

Cant tell you what the percentage that is of school leavers though.

Les

muskeeuk

I think the problem lies within the junior schools in England. So many of the kids these days have syndromes or deficit disorders which allow them to behave like ******* lunatics in the classroom, disrupting lessons and disturbing the learning of others. I, myself, was educated in Wales, where there are no disabilities. In my school all the classes were split into two groups. Those that couldn't spell and those that couldn't write and those that couldn't count or do maffs!!

pinkypurkhardt

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It also uses electric to work do you wanna talk about that to

prob missed out 1 of theese some where aswell .,/\;:'"
lol

RA Dunk

And that makes it relevant because?

Leslie

I wonder why so many of them have these syndromes or deficit disorders in modern times when we never had any children like that when I was at school. What has changed these days to cause all that or is it just an excuse?

Les

RA Dunk

I dont think 'most' of these kids have any kind of disorder, I think most of these kids have been the result of bad teaching or bad parenting and they only use these disorders to cover things up.

These kids are the result of the previous government TBH.

ALi-B

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Same in my primary school, although it was mainly split into "thick as pig s**t" and "smart *****". The former being anyone who can't do English and/or mathematics.

I was in the thick as pig s**t group.

....Nowadays, I think standards have slipped somewhat.

GlesgaKiss

Maybe more pharmaceutical companies offering 'treatments' these days? It is in the interest of that huge industry if increasingly more children are diagnosed with these problems. So there is going to be no shortage 'information' out there. That's being a bit cynical though...

Leslie

I tend to agree with that and I also think that Glesgakiss has a point as well.

Les

Leslie

Not 'arf!

Les

Blue by You

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There are undoubtedly a percentage of people suffering from learning difficulties of varying severity. These people need support and understanding.
But there are many more who consider it to be 'cool' to Tork like dis innit, and proceed to write in a similar manner.
It's just laziness, and with all the wisdom of a young head don't realise the potential problems they face in the real world.
I'm sick to death of hearing schools in general being blamed for poor academic performance.
That old saying, you can lead a horse to water... etc, you can't force children to absorb literary and mathmatical know-how if parents don't support teachers, there is no incentive for the more reluctant students in the class to try harder.
Not many of us can claim to be perfick in our use of the English language, myself included, but as long as people make an effort to spell correctly and use proper gramatical construction then I don't see a huge problem.
It's a fascinating debate though and there's loads of mileage in it.

hodgy0_2

My father in law is a very well known blues guitarist and has worked in the music business since the Sixties.

He has often told me stories of riders that famous bands put in the contracts when performing gigs.

One was for a bowl of Smarties – but with absolutely no brown ones left in.

The first thing the band did on arriving at the venue was check the bowl for brown Smarties, and any found meant the promoter had not read the contract properly. So the gigs were either cancelled, or a very quick renegotiation of terms ensued.

Attention to detail is important.

Blue by You

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Agreed that detail is important, but if the tour promoter mentioned above had been colour blind and carefully removed all the red smarties thinking they were brown, would cancellation of the concert have been a justifiable penalty?

I'm not having a dig, but I hope you see the point I'm making.

Bubba po

There's probably no reason to have perfect spelling and grammar when you're in a senior position. If one's secretary or PA has been properly trained and is not just in possession of a large pair of **** and a short skirt, (or even a muscly **** and a large package, depending upon your gender and sexual proclivities) then they ought take care of that for you.

dnc

Cheers for that Les. 100,000 per year is a huge number whether as a percentage or an absolute number. I still find it hard to believe to be honest. Watched the doc in the link and found it incredibly sad and I really felt for the 2 women featured. Would be interesting to hear their take on why it happened (or rather didn't happen) for them. Were they truanting, poor teachers, had to leave school for other reasons etc. Really hope they can sort themselves out.

Even sadder for me was that the 2nd woman, in particular, obviously was no idiot and seemed quite articulate. Truly a sad state of affairs.

dnc