It is so sad for the kids - they never get a chance!
10 June 2010, 11:29 AM
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making pot class a would be a good start , i know 5 blokes who all did pot in younger years out of the 5 2 went on to do anything they could get and both of them are still on heroin . however 1 has managed to hold down a full time job the other is a passenger . out of the other 3 1 is working and clean the other 2 are pothead skanks on the dole . pot is the start of a slippery slope imho
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10 June 2010, 02:55 PM
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making pot class a would be a good start , i know 5 blokes who all did pot in younger years out of the 5 2 went on to do anything they could get and both of them are still on heroin . however 1 has managed to hold down a full time job the other is a passenger . out of the other 3 1 is working and clean the other 2 are pothead skanks on the dole . pot is the start of a slippery slope imho
There are a lot of people(I know a few) who can get on with their lives and who smoke a joint to relax,of an evening,the same as people will enjoy a drink,in the same way.
Alcohol causes more suffering,health problems and weekend fuelled violence,than any dope smoker.
That is a fact,my friend.
I don't see people shouting for alcohol to be banned,or tobbaco(for the damage it does to the users body and passive smoking),for that matter.
I know you don't hear of many people gravitating from alcohol,to heroin,but the fact of the matter is,an addict is an addict,whatever their poison.
I think if they had discovered alcohol,now,it too,would be classified as a class A drug.Like drugs,people would still drink,whatever you classify it as.
It will not make the problem go away,unfortunately.
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10 June 2010, 03:52 PM
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Depending on the offence committed, prisoners are drug tested at custody, for heroin and coke - these are normally only things like robbery and burglary. If positive, the scumbag gets an appointment with a drug worker. When they fail to turn up for it, which is a cert, a fail to appear warrant is issued and we are sent to nick them.
The approach to solving the drugs issue? Much, much harsher penalties for those in possession of it, huge penalties for those dealing, and employ the resources which are needed to crack down on it. It won't happen though, as the country is ****ed up and even if we did catch anyone for supplying, they'd get a slap on the wrist and a two week holiday from the CPS.
Better housing? Mansfield district council have a budget of £40m to spend on improving living conditions, and have carried out work on 5000 of their 6600 council homes. Has it helped? Nope. The scum just see that they can carry on living in this way and everything is handed to them on a plate.
I don't think I've met a persistent or priority offender who has a television smaller than 42". Unless one of his snaf mates has been in and burgled him for it. You can guarantee the TV will be stolen.
Better education? You'd have to get them to attend school first. And a lot of them really are thick as ****. Drug education? A lot of them don't care and say that the drugs are the only thing that make their lives bearable. Sex education? Stop the scum having kids just so they can live off the benefits would be a good idea. The suggestion of having to prove you can afford to have kids, which is often suggested on here, is a good idea, but wholly unworkable.
I think that a start would be for society to remember what values it used to have and be willing to put them back in place and for the government to actually have the ***** to do something about making the place better.
Currently, I'm seeing Social Services start to improve their response to things - they actually record what's going on, and last night thy even turned up! That's a start, but it's not good enough.
It's abut time the public made it's outrage known and told the government what the public wants doing about the situation.
The approach to solving the drugs issue? Much, much harsher penalties for those in possession of it, huge penalties for those dealing, and employ the resources which are needed to crack down on it. It won't happen though, as the country is ****ed up and even if we did catch anyone for supplying, they'd get a slap on the wrist and a two week holiday from the CPS.
Better housing? Mansfield district council have a budget of £40m to spend on improving living conditions, and have carried out work on 5000 of their 6600 council homes. Has it helped? Nope. The scum just see that they can carry on living in this way and everything is handed to them on a plate.
I don't think I've met a persistent or priority offender who has a television smaller than 42". Unless one of his snaf mates has been in and burgled him for it. You can guarantee the TV will be stolen.
Better education? You'd have to get them to attend school first. And a lot of them really are thick as ****. Drug education? A lot of them don't care and say that the drugs are the only thing that make their lives bearable. Sex education? Stop the scum having kids just so they can live off the benefits would be a good idea. The suggestion of having to prove you can afford to have kids, which is often suggested on here, is a good idea, but wholly unworkable.
I think that a start would be for society to remember what values it used to have and be willing to put them back in place and for the government to actually have the ***** to do something about making the place better.
Currently, I'm seeing Social Services start to improve their response to things - they actually record what's going on, and last night thy even turned up! That's a start, but it's not good enough.
It's abut time the public made it's outrage known and told the government what the public wants doing about the situation.
10 June 2010, 04:47 PM
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making pot class a would be a good start , i know 5 blokes who all did pot in younger years out of the 5 2 went on to do anything they could get and both of them are still on heroin . however 1 has managed to hold down a full time job the other is a passenger . out of the other 3 1 is working and clean the other 2 are pothead skanks on the dole . pot is the start of a slippery slope imho
Me and everyone i know smokes weed, we all went into higher education, all earn above the national average and we all like a smoke after work to wind down, its never MADE me want to inject herion or smoke crack!
Weed doesnt lead to harder drugs automatically, its usualy the estate the kids come from or the group they hang around with thats responsible for that!
Why should people like me become class a users cos uninformed daily mail reading people with no idea what they are talking about and want blanket bans on stuff they THINK is dangerous!
The ex drugs czar for the uk and the bloke who ran the quango that advised labour on drugs have both stated weed is no more dangerous than alcohol and decriminalisation should be looked at, but this went against labours manifesto so they were both ignored then fired
There are 3 states in america that have legalised medical weed and 9 more that are planning on doing it, do you know more than all these people combined?
I thought not but you still want weed to be class a, its a ******* plant that does not have to be chemically altered at all, its natural and it grows freely!
the problem is not weed but the people who sell it, the snide chav neighbourhood dealers will always offer the youing kids something else, thats when the slippery slope begins, the people i buy my weed off would never talk to me again if i mentioned herion or crack, but they live in a nice area and dont mix with scum!
Get your facts right before wanting to punish normal hard working peope who happen to like a smoke!
10 June 2010, 05:13 PM
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Been reading the daily mail have we?
Me and everyone i know smokes weed, we all went into higher education, all earn above the national average and we all like a smoke after work to wind down, its never MADE me want to inject herion or smoke crack!
Weed doesnt lead to harder drugs automatically, its usualy the estate the kids come from or the group they hang around with thats responsible for that!
Why should people like me become class a users cos uninformed daily mail reading people with no idea what they are talking about and want blanket bans on stuff they THINK is dangerous!
The ex drugs czar for the uk and the bloke who ran the quango that advised labour on drugs have both stated weed is no more dangerous than alcohol and decriminalisation should be looked at, but this went against labours manifesto so they were both ignored then fired
There are 3 states in america that have legalised medical weed and 9 more that are planning on doing it, do you know more than all these people combined?
I thought not but you still want weed to be class a, its a ******* plant that does not have to be chemically altered at all, its natural and it grows freely!
the problem is not weed but the people who sell it, the snide chav neighbourhood dealers will always offer the youing kids something else, thats when the slippery slope begins, the people i buy my weed off would never talk to me again if i mentioned herion or crack, but they live in a nice area and dont mix with scum!
Get your facts right before wanting to punish normal hard working peope who happen to like a smoke!
Me and everyone i know smokes weed, we all went into higher education, all earn above the national average and we all like a smoke after work to wind down, its never MADE me want to inject herion or smoke crack!
Weed doesnt lead to harder drugs automatically, its usualy the estate the kids come from or the group they hang around with thats responsible for that!
Why should people like me become class a users cos uninformed daily mail reading people with no idea what they are talking about and want blanket bans on stuff they THINK is dangerous!
The ex drugs czar for the uk and the bloke who ran the quango that advised labour on drugs have both stated weed is no more dangerous than alcohol and decriminalisation should be looked at, but this went against labours manifesto so they were both ignored then fired
There are 3 states in america that have legalised medical weed and 9 more that are planning on doing it, do you know more than all these people combined?
I thought not but you still want weed to be class a, its a ******* plant that does not have to be chemically altered at all, its natural and it grows freely!
the problem is not weed but the people who sell it, the snide chav neighbourhood dealers will always offer the youing kids something else, thats when the slippery slope begins, the people i buy my weed off would never talk to me again if i mentioned herion or crack, but they live in a nice area and dont mix with scum!
Get your facts right before wanting to punish normal hard working peope who happen to like a smoke!
Hard drugs are easy to get hold of and widespread and at an all time low cost wise, factors that used to make a lot of class a's prohibitive such as cost and avaliability and things of the past.
No too sure what the answer is but some people make the jump from soft to hard drugs - fact!
Look at the crimes associated with drugs and it accounts for a fair bit of it from thierft to murder.
The same can be said of drink, maybe to a lesser extent...
11 June 2010, 02:37 PM
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As Paul says. The use of class B drugs will always provide an easier path to class A. The use of those drugs is like a cancer in our society with all the crime it causes, as well as the serious effects on the users.
Alcohol can also be a bad thing to get hooked as well of course, and very damaging to the health with excessive consumption.
Its is a lot easier to control with sensible use though, as ever it is down to the individual.
Les
Alcohol can also be a bad thing to get hooked as well of course, and very damaging to the health with excessive consumption.
Its is a lot easier to control with sensible use though, as ever it is down to the individual.
Les
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