Cornering - Me or the Car
11 June 2010, 12:48 PM
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im just gonne pitch in here my 2p.
Surtees at brands hatch is a good one to practise what your discussing.
Trick for this was to keep neutral power on, not to accellerate but to keep the weight balanced as you turn in as previously mentioned.
And if you want practise at keeping the power on at entry, Paddock hill will teach you quickly (or youll die
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When i bought my scoob it had 2 budget tyres o the front. This induced catostriphic understeer. 2 GSD3's later and it was 1000% improvement. Cant imagine what they would have been like on the rear!
Surtees at brands hatch is a good one to practise what your discussing.
Trick for this was to keep neutral power on, not to accellerate but to keep the weight balanced as you turn in as previously mentioned.
And if you want practise at keeping the power on at entry, Paddock hill will teach you quickly (or youll die
)When i bought my scoob it had 2 budget tyres o the front. This induced catostriphic understeer. 2 GSD3's later and it was 1000% improvement. Cant imagine what they would have been like on the rear!
11 June 2010, 12:52 PM
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Barum tyres are Continental's budget tyre, think a decent mid ranger (bit like Kleber are really Michelin), not the best but not the worst. The rest sound pap though!
Weird thing here is the oversteer. As standard that car should understeer, its safer and more predictable so it was set up that way, this is why an ARB to tighten the back up is a good mod.
I'd wonder if your car has had something like that done or a combination of poor tyres/fuel spill added to this. the only time I got the rear out was in extreme conditions and on the power.
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Weird thing here is the oversteer. As standard that car should understeer, its safer and more predictable so it was set up that way, this is why an ARB to tighten the back up is a good mod.
I'd wonder if your car has had something like that done or a combination of poor tyres/fuel spill added to this. the only time I got the rear out was in extreme conditions and on the power.
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11 June 2010, 04:04 PM
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2 of clubs
5 of clubs
7 of spades
3 of diamonds
versus someone with 4 Aces,bit of a difference!
11 June 2010, 04:53 PM
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I have a theory that once any one tyre loses grip ( on a Scoob ) then that dictates the level of grip at all the others. I once did an enormous tank-slapper at 30 mph, and the ONLY mistake I made was trying to wind corrective lock on.... ( RWD born and bred ).
If I'd re-applied the throttle she would have pulled herself straight.
Luckily, like you I missed all the solid stuff and simply reversed away from the looming hedgework
dunx
If I'd re-applied the throttle she would have pulled herself straight.
Luckily, like you I missed all the solid stuff and simply reversed away from the looming hedgework
dunx
11 June 2010, 05:42 PM
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nice thing was I didn't see any serious curbing on the alloys, so perhaps this may not be that significant but right in that its still worth checking. I was planning to fit a set of eibachs in july and was planning on doing the geometry check then, depending on cost may do it as the same time as the tyres.
11 June 2010, 05:46 PM
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11 June 2010, 05:51 PM
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I have a theory that once any one tyre loses grip ( on a Scoob ) then that dictates the level of grip at all the others. I once did an enormous tank-slapper at 30 mph, and the ONLY mistake I made was trying to wind corrective lock on.... ( RWD born and bred ).
If I'd re-applied the throttle she would have pulled herself straight.
Luckily, like you I missed all the solid stuff and simply reversed away from the looming hedgework
dunx
If I'd re-applied the throttle she would have pulled herself straight.
Luckily, like you I missed all the solid stuff and simply reversed away from the looming hedgework
dunx
14 June 2010, 05:52 PM
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Folks,
One last one before I part with some cash -
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 - £100 (backordered/OOS in most places)
Goodyear Eagle F1 F1 Asymmetric £100
Avon ZZ3 - £95
Bridgestone RE050 - £105
All prices are per 215/45/R17 tyre inc fitting.
I want to go for the GS-D3s based on feedback here and that the tread pattern reminds me slightly of the Yokohama AVS Sports I had a long time ago that saved my life at least once in the wet.
From reading around some people were not as pleased with the F1 Asymmertics as they were with the GSs....Just need to now find them!
Disagreement, thoughts and comments appreciated.
Thx.
One last one before I part with some cash -
Goodyear Eagle F1 GS-D3 - £100 (backordered/OOS in most places)
Goodyear Eagle F1 F1 Asymmetric £100
Avon ZZ3 - £95
Bridgestone RE050 - £105
All prices are per 215/45/R17 tyre inc fitting.
I want to go for the GS-D3s based on feedback here and that the tread pattern reminds me slightly of the Yokohama AVS Sports I had a long time ago that saved my life at least once in the wet.
From reading around some people were not as pleased with the F1 Asymmertics as they were with the GSs....Just need to now find them!
Disagreement, thoughts and comments appreciated.
Thx.
14 June 2010, 06:12 PM
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Vredstein sessanta's, good value and cheaper than the above 
If you want really good tyres then go for the Michelin pilot sport 3, oh and you have put down 215, I take it you mean 225?
Tony
If you want really good tyres then go for the Michelin pilot sport 3, oh and you have put down 215, I take it you mean 225?
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14 June 2010, 06:13 PM
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You have to go a long way to beat the STI std. fit RE-070, IMHO.
Especially on track, semi-serious use. Not the quietest, and can tramline a bit, but about the same price... comes as 225/45/17 but don't let that worry you
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Especially on track, semi-serious use. Not the quietest, and can tramline a bit, but about the same price... comes as 225/45/17 but don't let that worry you
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14 June 2010, 06:17 PM
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also consider Vredestein Ultrac a budget tyre but will put some Branded tyres to shame
Bridgestone are great for scoobs due to strong tyrewalls
but the downside is the strong tyrewalls causes "Tram lining"
Tony
Bridgestone are great for scoobs due to strong tyrewalls
but the downside is the strong tyrewalls causes "Tram lining" Tony
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PS3's are 104 each
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.p...m54b0s16p58381
The RE070's, one of my all time favourites not everyone likes them though (normally those who cant drive very well )
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.p...m54b0s16p13101
Sessanta, good price
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.p...m54b0s16p12403
Tony
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.p...m54b0s16p58381
The RE070's, one of my all time favourites
not everyone likes them though (normally those who cant drive very well )http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.p...m54b0s16p13101
Sessanta, good price
http://www.camskill.co.uk/products.p...m54b0s16p12403
Tony
14 June 2010, 06:29 PM
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I love mineTOYO's T1R's are great if want your Car to be a understeering and tyre squeeling wreck
But they won't tramline and i spose far better than the mixed bag of crap on there at the minute
IMHOTony
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14 June 2010, 07:26 PM
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I Had a very similar situation and spun my car luckily not hurting the car or myself.
My Front tyres were past their best I changed to Toyos Tr1s all around from camskill and it was night and day.
There is a bend near were I live which is really challenging when you turn in it is like it has two apex's very easy to put foot down and realise your fooked. Before I changed my tyres my car felt very wobbly going through this bend with a scary amount of negative feeling and understeer going through the corner. Once the tyres were changed I could go through the same bend very flat with confidence in the wet!!
Check your rear bushes on the suspension this made a big difference on my wrx too.
My Front tyres were past their best I changed to Toyos Tr1s all around from camskill and it was night and day.
There is a bend near were I live which is really challenging when you turn in it is like it has two apex's very easy to put foot down and realise your fooked. Before I changed my tyres my car felt very wobbly going through this bend with a scary amount of negative feeling and understeer going through the corner. Once the tyres were changed I could go through the same bend very flat with confidence in the wet!!
Check your rear bushes on the suspension this made a big difference on my wrx too.
14 June 2010, 07:42 PM
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I run T1R's on my classic and they are very good, lightweight car lockeddown and setup for oversteer....On my Newage I run sessantas and they are better than the PS2's I had before, although whilst predictable they squeal all the way round roundabouts on hard entry... ride them round and nail the exit...fun though !
14 June 2010, 08:09 PM
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Bugger, I have 215s fitted on all 4. I'm not sure if the rim is 17 x 7 or 7.5 as I have both listed in the manual. I'd take that to imply 17 x 7, unless the wrong size tyre is on all of them and it still would fit!
14 June 2010, 08:13 PM
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14 June 2010, 08:42 PM
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also slower in faster out Sti (6 speed and Brembo brakes) has 17x7.5 (MY01-MY04) 17x8 (MY05+) so 225 although 235 is fitted to JDM 17x8 and works better IMHO.
WRX (5 speed and 4pot brakes) has 17x7 so 215
if gold wheel could be off an STi so 225, but could also be WRX300 wheels which are gold 17x7
bung a picture up if in doubt
Also if a WRX may not have front limited slip Diff like the STi's which does make a huge difference in the Wet IMHO
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14 June 2010, 09:41 PM
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also slower in faster out Depends if yours is a STi or a WRX
Sti (6 speed and Brembo brakes) has 17x7.5 (MY01-MY04) 17x8 (MY05+) so 225 although 235 is fitted to JDM 17x8 and works better IMHO.
WRX (5 speed and 4pot brakes) has 17x7 so 215
if gold wheel could be off an STi so 225, but could also be WRX300 wheels which are gold 17x7
bung a picture up if in doubt
Also if a WRX may not have front limited slip Diff like the STi's which does make a huge difference in the Wet IMHO
14 June 2010, 10:03 PM
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