Queen mum dead RIP
30 March 2002, 10:57 PM
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as far as the visitor thing , nobody visits any country with out a royal family . i think not.
as far as doing anything for the last generation, My dad lost his brother , My father himself sufferd from depresion most his life due to ww2 . You tell me any royal over the last god know how may years has given his hers or any of there hangers on's life NO.
Yes is sad when YOU lose someone. Its what she stands for, what she believed in i can't stand
steve
as far as doing anything for the last generation, My dad lost his brother , My father himself sufferd from depresion most his life due to ww2 . You tell me any royal over the last god know how may years has given his hers or any of there hangers on's life NO.
Yes is sad when YOU lose someone. Its what she stands for, what she believed in i can't stand
steve
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I know everyone is entitled to their own opinion - and I respect that... BUT this thread is called Queen Mum dead RIP - thats REST IN PEACE - clearly SOME people here want to pay their respects. If you want to slag the royalty can I humbly suggest you start another thread???
Just my opinion....
Just my opinion....
31 March 2002, 07:52 AM
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I'm not especially pro royal and I can appreciate the points on both sides. But the Queen mother did more than just sit around watching corgi's and going to the races.
In WW1 she worked as a nurse tending to some pretty horrifc injuries. In the 1940's she and her family stayed in London in the middle of the blitz and every day would visit the remains of peoples homes and lives.
In spite of political pressure to go to Canada she decided that she should stay in face the same dangers as the rest of london.
How many of us nowadays would do the same thing? If, for example London was being bombed every night today how many of us would choose to stay? Not many, and i'm sure not many politicians would either(I hope Tony reads and learns from this).
Unfortunatley, it seems that one of the things that we have lost in the 60 odd years since WW2 is a sense of duty, honour and of greater national good. I saw glimpses of this returning in the Falklands crises(I was 14 at the time) and in the gulf war but it soon evaporates.
Nowadays being patriotic is sticking a paper union jack with a photo of Sgt Tommy Atkins in the middle from the Sun newspaper in the window.
Now, i'm not saying that the nationalism preached by the NF is good. BUT we desperatley need a sense of greater purpose, and something to rally around. Remember when we did really well in Euro 96? The whole country was behind it, and it gave most people a huge lift. The same will happen at this years world cup(for 2 or 3 games anyway
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If we write off the past as irrelevant for today, then how do we learn from it? If we assume that because people live in Luxury have it easy that then assumes we don't! Sure we all have worries about money, losing our jobs, etc etc. But those in privileged positions should(and in the QM's case did) have the worries of national responsibility and service, they should(and in the QM's case did) forgo any sense of self serving and serve US, the people.
I think i'll keep my normal life thank you very much!
So not for the sake of some royal flag waving but for the sake of the 1000's of Londoners she helped during WW2, the 100's of soldiers she help save in WW1 and the millions of pounds she helped raise for good causes I say rest in peace queen mum and a life well done.
In WW1 she worked as a nurse tending to some pretty horrifc injuries. In the 1940's she and her family stayed in London in the middle of the blitz and every day would visit the remains of peoples homes and lives.
In spite of political pressure to go to Canada she decided that she should stay in face the same dangers as the rest of london.
How many of us nowadays would do the same thing? If, for example London was being bombed every night today how many of us would choose to stay? Not many, and i'm sure not many politicians would either(I hope Tony reads and learns from this).
Unfortunatley, it seems that one of the things that we have lost in the 60 odd years since WW2 is a sense of duty, honour and of greater national good. I saw glimpses of this returning in the Falklands crises(I was 14 at the time) and in the gulf war but it soon evaporates.
Nowadays being patriotic is sticking a paper union jack with a photo of Sgt Tommy Atkins in the middle from the Sun newspaper in the window.
Now, i'm not saying that the nationalism preached by the NF is good. BUT we desperatley need a sense of greater purpose, and something to rally around. Remember when we did really well in Euro 96? The whole country was behind it, and it gave most people a huge lift. The same will happen at this years world cup(for 2 or 3 games anyway
) If we write off the past as irrelevant for today, then how do we learn from it? If we assume that because people live in Luxury have it easy that then assumes we don't! Sure we all have worries about money, losing our jobs, etc etc. But those in privileged positions should(and in the QM's case did) have the worries of national responsibility and service, they should(and in the QM's case did) forgo any sense of self serving and serve US, the people.
I think i'll keep my normal life thank you very much!
So not for the sake of some royal flag waving but for the sake of the 1000's of Londoners she helped during WW2, the 100's of soldiers she help save in WW1 and the millions of pounds she helped raise for good causes I say rest in peace queen mum and a life well done.
31 March 2002, 08:23 AM
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she did not stay in london during ww2!
and as far as nursing the sick i hardly think so !!
steve
ps if you want to belive that fine but look at facts
pps intresting coments, she was an ariso who put max Cliford in the shade
and as far as nursing the sick i hardly think so !!
steve
ps if you want to belive that fine but look at facts
pps intresting coments, she was an ariso who put max Cliford in the shade
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Steve, Hoe about prince Andrew. Wasnt he in the Falklands then?
As for my comment about japs,whats wrong with that. Ever heard of British being called Brits, Australians called Aussies etc.Just an abbreviation mate. Hope it caused no offence. thats half the trouble these days everyone has to be so PC its pathetic.
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As for my comment about japs,whats wrong with that. Ever heard of British being called Brits, Australians called Aussies etc.Just an abbreviation mate. Hope it caused no offence. thats half the trouble these days everyone has to be so PC its pathetic.
Chip.
31 March 2002, 10:01 AM
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I don't know about the nurse in WW1, she was only 14 when that war started, but she certainly stayed in the country with the King during WW2.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...lideshow/6.stm
With her visits to the East End and other parts of London during the Blitz it is little wonder that the people that survived the Blitz hold her in such high esteem.
Definitely one of the last of the great Royals.
Nigel
http://news.bbc.co.uk/hi/english/sta...lideshow/6.stm
With her visits to the East End and other parts of London during the Blitz it is little wonder that the people that survived the Blitz hold her in such high esteem.
Definitely one of the last of the great Royals.
Nigel
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Steve, You have to remember that the Queen Mum started where all of us started, at the bottom, ok she was lucky enough to marry into the royal family but they do actually bring more revenue into this country than any other part of the tourist industry.
Its like me saying to you if your grandmother died and i said well tough, i think you would be hacked off, the fact is that she has always been probably the most highest profile royal of all but does that mean that you cant respect the dead?
Even if you dont like what she stood for you can atleast understand why alot of people say she was "a good un" as she did alot (along with most royals) to keep the moral up in this country when it had its bad patches.
She was 101 and that was a good age for anyone
Tony
Its like me saying to you if your grandmother died and i said well tough, i think you would be hacked off, the fact is that she has always been probably the most highest profile royal of all but does that mean that you cant respect the dead?
Even if you dont like what she stood for you can atleast understand why alot of people say she was "a good un" as she did alot (along with most royals) to keep the moral up in this country when it had its bad patches.
She was 101 and that was a good age for anyone
Tony
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Once again, Tony Burns feels compelled to spout a load of tosh, and I quote:
"Steve, You have to remember that the Queen Mum started where all of us started, at the bottom, ok she was lucky enough to marry into the royal family but they do actually bring more revenue into this country than any other part of the tourist industry."
Two huge inaccuracies in that statement, perhaps the following multiple choice quiz will help you spot them:
1. Was Elizabeth Bowes Lyons born:
(a) the poor daughter of a Glasgow fish wife; or
(b) the wealthy daughter of Lord and Lady Glamis and enjoyed living in Glamis Castle, Scotland?.
2. Which of the following is the greater contributor the British tourist industry:
(a) The Queen Mum; or
(b) Legoland?
If you got (b) to both of the above, take another bite of Easter Egg and congratulate yourself. If you got (a) to both, you must be Mr Burns.
"Steve, You have to remember that the Queen Mum started where all of us started, at the bottom, ok she was lucky enough to marry into the royal family but they do actually bring more revenue into this country than any other part of the tourist industry."
Two huge inaccuracies in that statement, perhaps the following multiple choice quiz will help you spot them:
1. Was Elizabeth Bowes Lyons born:
(a) the poor daughter of a Glasgow fish wife; or
(b) the wealthy daughter of Lord and Lady Glamis and enjoyed living in Glamis Castle, Scotland?.
2. Which of the following is the greater contributor the British tourist industry:
(a) The Queen Mum; or
(b) Legoland?
If you got (b) to both of the above, take another bite of Easter Egg and congratulate yourself. If you got (a) to both, you must be Mr Burns.
01 April 2002, 12:39 PM
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LB,
When you get your facts right you may make it on to mastermind
Try these
Elizabeth AngelaMarguerite Bowles-Lyons
Born: 4 Aug 1900 at: London, England
Father: Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne
As for lego land..... hmmmmmm prefer alton towers meself as more to do Plus the royals do actually pull more revenue in for the country as a tourist attraction than any other, just think that all those people who will sign the books for the Queen Mothers death will well outweigh the numbers that lego land will ever have going thru their doors!
Tony
When you get your facts right you may make it on to mastermind
Try these
Elizabeth AngelaMarguerite Bowles-Lyons
Born: 4 Aug 1900 at: London, England
Father: Earl of Strathmore and Kinghorne
As for lego land..... hmmmmmm prefer alton towers meself as more to do
Plus the royals do actually pull more revenue in for the country as a tourist attraction than any other, just think that all those people who will sign the books for the Queen Mothers death will well outweigh the numbers that lego land will ever have going thru their doors!Tony
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My dear Mr Burns,
I think you'll find that my facts are correct, unlike yours.
First, it's Bowes Lyon not "Bowles Lyons".
Second, you may wish to know that Lord Glamis, the title held by the Queen Mother's father at the time of her birth, inherited the Earldom of Strathmore in 1903.
Yours nitpickingly
LB
I think you'll find that my facts are correct, unlike yours.
First, it's Bowes Lyon not "Bowles Lyons".
Second, you may wish to know that Lord Glamis, the title held by the Queen Mother's father at the time of her birth, inherited the Earldom of Strathmore in 1903.
Yours nitpickingly
LB
01 April 2002, 10:12 PM
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LB if you want to nit pick then do so but this is a memorial to HRH the Queen Mother and you could find info on the net and post it so that all can see if you wish?
here is a little more info on the Queen Mother
The life of the Queen Mother spanned the milestones of the twentieth century into a new millennium. To millions she was a symbol of grace in an age of upheaval:
1900 Born in London on August 4, ninth child and youngest daughter of a wealthy Scottish nobleman, Lord Glamis, her father had to pay a penalty of 7s 6d for registering her birth seven weeks late.
1901 Queen Victoria dies.
1902 Boer leaders surrender to Lord Kitchener in Pretoria.
1903 Wright Brothers' first flight. Lord Glamis inherits the Earldom of Strathmore and his 'angel' becomes Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons.
1904 Premiere of JM Barrie's Peter Pan. Henry Royce produces his first car.
1905 Transatlantic liner fares rise to £6 for third-class ticket to US. Aspirin goes on sale in Britain.
1906 British Empire spans one-fifth of the globe's land surface. Earthquake devastates San Francisco.
1907 War Office opposition kills Channel Tunnel Bill in Commons. Rudyard Kipling wins Nobel Prize.
1908 The first criminal appeal, against a murder conviction, is turned down. In Detroit, Henry Ford produces his first Model T.
1909 Louis Bleriot flies the Channel. Britons over 70 draw first state pension of five shillings a week.
1910 Edward VII dies. Radio link captures wife-poisoner Dr Crippen at sea.
1911 Coronation of George V. Parliament Bill asserts supremacy of the Commons over the House of Lords.
1912 Iceberg sinks Titanic with loss of 1,500 lives. Captain Robert Scott's expedition perishes after reaching South Pole.
1913 Suffragette Emily Davison dies after bid to stop the King's horse at the Derby.
1914 War declared on Germany as Britons return from August Bank Holiday.
1915 Elizabeth's brother Fergus killed at Loos. Allies retreat from Gallipoli disaster.
1916 Easter rising in Dublin. Bowes-Lyon family home, Glamis Castle, used as convalescent home for war wounded.
1917 Russian Revolution. Battles of Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele. Balfour Declaration of Jewish homeland.
1918 Germany signs armistice. Women poll first votes in UK election.
1919 Professor Ernest Rutherford splits the atom.
1920 Black and Tans sent to Ireland.
1921 Irish offered Free State. Marie Stopes opens first birth control clinic in London.
1922 Mussolini becomes Italy's dictator.
1923 Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon weds the Duke of York.
1924 Tutankhamun's tomb discovered in Egypt. George Gershwin writes Rhapsody in Blue.
1925 Bavaria lifts ban on Adolph Hitler's **** Party.
1926 General Strike. Duchess of York gives birth to Princess Elizabeth.
1927 BBC begins TV broadcasts.
1928 Oxford English Dictionary completed after 70 years' work.
1929 Wall Street Crash triggers the Great Depression.
1930 Unemployment reaches 2.5 million. Princess Margaret Rose born.
1931 First London trolley bus, television outside broadcast, electric razor, German pocket battleship and first neon-lit advertisements.
1932 Oswald Mosley launches British Union of Fascists.
1933 Hitler becomes German Chancellor. UK unemployment hits three million.
1935 Italy invades Ethiopia.
1936 Edward VIII's abdication forces reluctant Duke and Duchess of York onto the Throne.
1937 Coronation. **** leaders greet Duke and Duchess of Windsor in Berlin.
1938 Munich Agreement follows invasion of Austria.
1939 War with Germany.
1940 Royal Family stays put in Buckingham Palace through the Battle of Britain and the Blitz.
This Great woman spanned 3 centuries, not many people can say that they did that, from the eve of the 19th century to the dawn of the 21st century, not a bad run for anyones money
God Bless Her
Tony
(ps no i cant spell
)
here is a little more info on the Queen Mother
The life of the Queen Mother spanned the milestones of the twentieth century into a new millennium. To millions she was a symbol of grace in an age of upheaval:
1900 Born in London on August 4, ninth child and youngest daughter of a wealthy Scottish nobleman, Lord Glamis, her father had to pay a penalty of 7s 6d for registering her birth seven weeks late.
1901 Queen Victoria dies.
1902 Boer leaders surrender to Lord Kitchener in Pretoria.
1903 Wright Brothers' first flight. Lord Glamis inherits the Earldom of Strathmore and his 'angel' becomes Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyons.
1904 Premiere of JM Barrie's Peter Pan. Henry Royce produces his first car.
1905 Transatlantic liner fares rise to £6 for third-class ticket to US. Aspirin goes on sale in Britain.
1906 British Empire spans one-fifth of the globe's land surface. Earthquake devastates San Francisco.
1907 War Office opposition kills Channel Tunnel Bill in Commons. Rudyard Kipling wins Nobel Prize.
1908 The first criminal appeal, against a murder conviction, is turned down. In Detroit, Henry Ford produces his first Model T.
1909 Louis Bleriot flies the Channel. Britons over 70 draw first state pension of five shillings a week.
1910 Edward VII dies. Radio link captures wife-poisoner Dr Crippen at sea.
1911 Coronation of George V. Parliament Bill asserts supremacy of the Commons over the House of Lords.
1912 Iceberg sinks Titanic with loss of 1,500 lives. Captain Robert Scott's expedition perishes after reaching South Pole.
1913 Suffragette Emily Davison dies after bid to stop the King's horse at the Derby.
1914 War declared on Germany as Britons return from August Bank Holiday.
1915 Elizabeth's brother Fergus killed at Loos. Allies retreat from Gallipoli disaster.
1916 Easter rising in Dublin. Bowes-Lyon family home, Glamis Castle, used as convalescent home for war wounded.
1917 Russian Revolution. Battles of Vimy Ridge, Passchendaele. Balfour Declaration of Jewish homeland.
1918 Germany signs armistice. Women poll first votes in UK election.
1919 Professor Ernest Rutherford splits the atom.
1920 Black and Tans sent to Ireland.
1921 Irish offered Free State. Marie Stopes opens first birth control clinic in London.
1922 Mussolini becomes Italy's dictator.
1923 Lady Elizabeth Bowes-Lyon weds the Duke of York.
1924 Tutankhamun's tomb discovered in Egypt. George Gershwin writes Rhapsody in Blue.
1925 Bavaria lifts ban on Adolph Hitler's **** Party.
1926 General Strike. Duchess of York gives birth to Princess Elizabeth.
1927 BBC begins TV broadcasts.
1928 Oxford English Dictionary completed after 70 years' work.
1929 Wall Street Crash triggers the Great Depression.
1930 Unemployment reaches 2.5 million. Princess Margaret Rose born.
1931 First London trolley bus, television outside broadcast, electric razor, German pocket battleship and first neon-lit advertisements.
1932 Oswald Mosley launches British Union of Fascists.
1933 Hitler becomes German Chancellor. UK unemployment hits three million.
1935 Italy invades Ethiopia.
1936 Edward VIII's abdication forces reluctant Duke and Duchess of York onto the Throne.
1937 Coronation. **** leaders greet Duke and Duchess of Windsor in Berlin.
1938 Munich Agreement follows invasion of Austria.
1939 War with Germany.
1940 Royal Family stays put in Buckingham Palace through the Battle of Britain and the Blitz.
This Great woman spanned 3 centuries, not many people can say that they did that, from the eve of the 19th century to the dawn of the 21st century, not a bad run for anyones money
God Bless Her
Tony
(ps no i cant spell
)
01 April 2002, 10:23 PM
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wife's grandfather 96years old , amblance driver in the 2 ww, worth alot more than some useless aristo.
living long , drinking champagne ( dyslexic) and loving your servants does not give you the right to be called a great woman!!
even you must agree the coverage is over the top !!!
steve
ps carol vordamu ( that coundown woman),'queen mum was a great lady' why how never , just rich privilaged aristo, if you think she would give a fig about anyone but the wealthy you are living in cloud cockoo land
living long , drinking champagne ( dyslexic) and loving your servants does not give you the right to be called a great woman!!
even you must agree the coverage is over the top !!!
steve
ps carol vordamu ( that coundown woman),'queen mum was a great lady' why how never , just rich privilaged aristo, if you think she would give a fig about anyone but the wealthy you are living in cloud cockoo land
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Emery - you are a to$$er
There is more than a little evidence of her giving a bit more than a fig.
This thread was started to allow those that wanted to, show her some respect. Whatever my or your feelings on her you should show everyone some respect and leave your feelings until later when we'll all be more than happy to enter into a constructive debate about the future of the Monarchy and any alternative suggestions for an apolitcal head of state - or indeed arguments that we don't need one at all. If you could possibly leave the large chip on your shoulder out of that debate its possible it might even be a worthwhile discussion.
There is more than a little evidence of her giving a bit more than a fig.
This thread was started to allow those that wanted to, show her some respect. Whatever my or your feelings on her you should show everyone some respect and leave your feelings until later when we'll all be more than happy to enter into a constructive debate about the future of the Monarchy and any alternative suggestions for an apolitcal head of state - or indeed arguments that we don't need one at all. If you could possibly leave the large chip on your shoulder out of that debate its possible it might even be a worthwhile discussion.
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Chaps,
Has to be said that there are some real w4nker5 on this BBS !!
She was a great lady and was one of the last great royals. Not a silly self-centered cow like Diana was ! Stood for a lot of things that people in this country have now forgotten.
She did work as a nurse in WW1 and did stay amongst the thick of it during the Blitz. She also thought that Diana was a silly cow so she goes a long way with me.
I find it sooo sad that sooo many people claim to be true Brits but only get remotely patriotic when the England footy side play ! (and then they go and act like to55ers and trash somewhere !) This country has worked and fought over the years to be a powerful and highly respected place. Trouble is that there are too many people that don't respect the past (like Blair) and would rather do us down !! How patriotic are the Yanks and the Aussies ?! Alot more than us - and they do it right too !!
God bless her - hope she rests in peace !!
She was a great lady - period !!
John
Has to be said that there are some real w4nker5 on this BBS !!
She was a great lady and was one of the last great royals. Not a silly self-centered cow like Diana was ! Stood for a lot of things that people in this country have now forgotten.
She did work as a nurse in WW1 and did stay amongst the thick of it during the Blitz. She also thought that Diana was a silly cow so she goes a long way with me.
I find it sooo sad that sooo many people claim to be true Brits but only get remotely patriotic when the England footy side play ! (and then they go and act like to55ers and trash somewhere !) This country has worked and fought over the years to be a powerful and highly respected place. Trouble is that there are too many people that don't respect the past (like Blair) and would rather do us down !! How patriotic are the Yanks and the Aussies ?! Alot more than us - and they do it right too !!
God bless her - hope she rests in peace !!
She was a great lady - period !!
John
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I find it hard to understand people who didn't even know her going up to Windsor to cry on the telly ??
Its not surprising she lived to 102.Im sure my nan would have made it that far if she didnt have to use the NHS and have a hard life.
I don't wish anyone dead but the only thing that bothers me about it is that we are not going to get a day off work because of it.
You'd think after leeching off us for years the Royals would have least have the decency to give us a day or two off work.
Its not surprising she lived to 102.Im sure my nan would have made it that far if she didnt have to use the NHS and have a hard life.
I don't wish anyone dead but the only thing that bothers me about it is that we are not going to get a day off work because of it.
You'd think after leeching off us for years the Royals would have least have the decency to give us a day or two off work.
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Bleedin' 'ell chaps, I wish I hadn't friggin bothered starting this! ( and I bet you do too)
Neil Smalley- a BIG round of applause for your comments,- my sentiments exactly!!!
Neil Smalley- a BIG round of applause for your comments,- my sentiments exactly!!!