Animal rights in China
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I am not looking to argue (which for SN is unlike me) but I have seen the videos, I have also seen a lot of other videos and I promise you would be amazed.
http://www.petatv.com/p2/
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http://www.petatv.com/p2/
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I am 100% with you, Its awful in any capacity and I wish I was in the position that I could do something about it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHNkJ8j1zjY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sHNkJ8j1zjY
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I dont have any problem with people including me eating meat and using animal products but I hate cruelty, it is so uneccessary, I have seen the footage mentioned and it seems standard practice but I cant see animal rights being a big issue in a country that convcts and executes people the same day of their alledged crime, a country that has transplants for foreigners using organs from the same "criminals", open to abuse that system perhaps ?
I was thinking that we cant rationalise their treatment with our sentimental (by and large) treatment of animals with theirs, which to my eyes is sadistic, the only way I can understand it is they view animals similar to vegatables but surely even so any normal people can see the terror in a Dogs eyes when it nows its going to be flayed, a Courgette does not exhibit that behaviour, I cant imagine that is the case but it leads me to think that they may be just sadists, I think its probably learnt behaviour, if you see your parents or whoever doign it it becomes normal, I can only imagine it would be a massive struggle, taking years to re-align their ways.
I was thinking that we cant rationalise their treatment with our sentimental (by and large) treatment of animals with theirs, which to my eyes is sadistic, the only way I can understand it is they view animals similar to vegatables but surely even so any normal people can see the terror in a Dogs eyes when it nows its going to be flayed, a Courgette does not exhibit that behaviour, I cant imagine that is the case but it leads me to think that they may be just sadists, I think its probably learnt behaviour, if you see your parents or whoever doign it it becomes normal, I can only imagine it would be a massive struggle, taking years to re-align their ways.
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I dont have any problem with people including me eating meat and using animal products but I hate cruelty, it is so uneccessary, I have seen the footage mentioned and it seems standard practice but I cant see animal rights being a big issue in a country that convcts and executes people the same day of their alledged crime, a country that has transplants for foreigners using organs from the same "criminals", open to abuse that system perhaps ?
I was thinking that we cant rationalise their treatment with our sentimental (by and large) treatment of animals with theirs, which to my eyes is sadistic, the only way I can understand it is they view animals similar to vegatables but surely even so any normal people can see the terror in a Dogs eyes when it nows its going to be flayed, a Courgette does not exhibit that behaviour, I cant imagine that is the case but it leads me to think that they may be just sadists, I think its probably learnt behaviour, if you see your parents or whoever doign it it becomes normal, I can only imagine it would be a massive struggle, taking years to re-align their ways.
I was thinking that we cant rationalise their treatment with our sentimental (by and large) treatment of animals with theirs, which to my eyes is sadistic, the only way I can understand it is they view animals similar to vegatables but surely even so any normal people can see the terror in a Dogs eyes when it nows its going to be flayed, a Courgette does not exhibit that behaviour, I cant imagine that is the case but it leads me to think that they may be just sadists, I think its probably learnt behaviour, if you see your parents or whoever doign it it becomes normal, I can only imagine it would be a massive struggle, taking years to re-align their ways.
Then again when the state sanctions the slaughter of 25000 dogs in a city (strays and pets) I don't think it makes any difference to what the west thinks.
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I lived in Hong Kong as a teenager and remember walking around a local market with my parents once. We came across a big circle of locals clapping and cheering. When I asked my old man what it was he said trust me you dont want to know.
Being a young boy I totally disregarded that advice and crawled through some legs to get to the front. Only to find a guy butchering a live turtle by hacking its shell off. All I remember is it trying to crawl away from him (large turtle) and the guy dragging it back and taking another swipe with a meat cleaver with its innards exposed and spewing out blood. I nearly passed out at all the blood and was bugging my parents to call the RSPCA or equivalent. Dont think the RSPCA are allowed in HK / China etc.
I remember my dad saying it was to show the meat is fresh but the look on peoples faces and the way they clapped at the slaughter says to me it was more the spectacle of butchering alive a helpless animal.
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Being a young boy I totally disregarded that advice and crawled through some legs to get to the front. Only to find a guy butchering a live turtle by hacking its shell off. All I remember is it trying to crawl away from him (large turtle) and the guy dragging it back and taking another swipe with a meat cleaver with its innards exposed and spewing out blood. I nearly passed out at all the blood and was bugging my parents to call the RSPCA or equivalent. Dont think the RSPCA are allowed in HK / China etc.
I remember my dad saying it was to show the meat is fresh but the look on peoples faces and the way they clapped at the slaughter says to me it was more the spectacle of butchering alive a helpless animal.
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The meat market in middle east is pretty shocking too. Some guy takes a knife to a cow which has had its tendons cut so it can't stand up anymore. It's up there with the dogs in China in terms of cruelty.
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Spain -- horrendous treatment of animals especially cattle
France - land of Froie Gras – where ducks are forced fed corn until their liver becomes grotesquely distended and explodes (tastes good though)
France - land of Froie Gras – where ducks are forced fed corn until their liver becomes grotesquely distended and explodes (tastes good though)
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