Oops..Apple offering you your money back for iphone 4
04 July 2010, 01:07 PM
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For now I am back on my old Nokia 6300 - makes calls and handles SMS (including them new fangled delivery receipts) as well as anything and has 5 bars where the Apple had 1
Oh sorry, I said we weren't starting that again LOL.Just went all round Indonesia with it - only had to charge it once in 2 weeks .... that's what I'm talking about
And no I don't think it is better than an iPhone, but it is for me
04 July 2010, 01:07 PM
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On the subject of signal strength, I was reading this yesterday.
Interesting view on it, with some interesting comments.
http://nyti.ms/ajIgZc
Interesting view on it, with some interesting comments.
http://nyti.ms/ajIgZc
04 July 2010, 01:12 PM
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As far as I can see you're a bit short on facts, relying instead on demagoguery. About a phone. You do realise that's a bit strange don't you?
Stop making rash and wild claims and you won't have to waste your batteries in Steve's keyboard trying to justify them is my advice.
Sent from my Acer laptop. Thanks J T **** for letting me use this wonderful device that I gave you £400 for. The way it just WORKS is amazing.
04 July 2010, 01:51 PM
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Out of place means you have absolutely no reason nor the experience to comment on the subject, you're obviously just a bit bored and can't find anything else to comment on other than something about which you know next to nothing, it shows in your choice of insult towards me when I answered your questions. You have every right to comment on Apple, as I have every right to defend them. Your glass is half empty, mine half full, if that's how you choose to spend your Sunday then it's your choice, crack on.
04 July 2010, 04:46 PM
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Out of place means you have absolutely no reason nor the experience to comment on the subject, you're obviously just a bit bored and can't find anything else to comment on other than something about which you know next to nothing, it shows in your choice of insult towards me when I answered your questions. You have every right to comment on Apple, as I have every right to defend them. Your glass is half empty, mine half full, if that's how you choose to spend your Sunday then it's your choice, crack on.
The new Iphone looks fairly decent apart from the **** up with the antennae. Problem is that the market is full of fairly decent phones now, but if you prefer the Apple system of doing things then that's absolutely fine. Personally, I've stopped using my Ipod touch mainly because of the malware that is itunes but again, personal choice. Weighed up pros and cons and chose not to.
What I find really entertaining though is your totally overblown defence of an average product with big problems. Is it the best phone technologically? That accolade would probably go to the something like the Evo. Is it a game changer? Only in terms of comedy gold customer abuse. Is it head and shoulders above the rest, the way the original Iphone was? No.
So, take a pill, have a beer... do whatever it is that allows you to breath easily. You're obviously over the moon with your phone so enjoy it and don't listen to what anyone else says (not that you were).
My final point on this thread (which HAS entertained me somewhat on a slow sunday - whether that's an indictment of you or me I'm not sure) is that Apple is supposed to be a premium niche. The way things are going they were becoming mainstream bling. Haven't you seen what is/has happening/happened to very expensive brands such as Helly Hansen, Berghaus, Lowe, North Face?
What'll happen (and I'm sure Apple know this) is what happened with PCs and Macs... Android will become dominant and be cheaper, more versatile, more popular; while Apple retreats to a premium product and just sits happy, raking in the dollars from those that pay the Apple tax. And that's the way of the world
04 July 2010, 05:08 PM
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My final point on this thread (which HAS entertained me somewhat on a slow sunday - whether that's an indictment of you or me I'm not sure) is that Apple is supposed to be a premium niche. The way things are going they were becoming mainstream bling. Haven't you seen what is/has happening/happened to very expensive brands such as Helly Hansen, Berghaus, Lowe, North Face?
05 July 2010, 01:52 PM
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05 July 2010, 01:58 PM
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Just read this in GSMarena, after they did their own research...
Here’s what we experienced with the iPhone 4. Signal bars do drop – and rather fast too – when your palm and fingers fold around the bottom left side of the handset. Contact with skin most certainly interferes with the antenna and the phone is effectively losing signal. But – and it’s a big BUT - we had no dropped calls because of this, nor any voice quality issues in areas of full strength signal.
In areas of spotty coverage, where the iPhone 4 reported only a single bar or two, things got messy. Even touching the surface of the phone, caused the voice quality to worsen and touching the bottom left corner consistently dropped the call.
We can also confirm that any type of a bumper case will eliminate the issue – we tested with an improvised rubber strip along the edge and signal remained steady.
We went ahead and did the same test with an iPhone 3G and it definitely looks that the bottom-left-corner-issue aside, the iPhone 4 has noticeably better reception than the 3G. It held on to signal more steadily and caught on signal much quicker when exiting a no-signal area such as a tunnel.
So as a conclusion, if the coverage in your area is good enough (full bars), touching the two antenna parts on the side and bottom of the handset simultaneously, may compromise the quality of reception a bit, but it won’t cause any dropped calls.
On the other hand, dropped calls are quite easy to recreate persistently in areas of relatively low signal, however a bumper case, or anything that will protect the handset from contact with human skin, will sort those problems just as well.
In areas of spotty coverage, where the iPhone 4 reported only a single bar or two, things got messy. Even touching the surface of the phone, caused the voice quality to worsen and touching the bottom left corner consistently dropped the call.
We can also confirm that any type of a bumper case will eliminate the issue – we tested with an improvised rubber strip along the edge and signal remained steady.
We went ahead and did the same test with an iPhone 3G and it definitely looks that the bottom-left-corner-issue aside, the iPhone 4 has noticeably better reception than the 3G. It held on to signal more steadily and caught on signal much quicker when exiting a no-signal area such as a tunnel.
So as a conclusion, if the coverage in your area is good enough (full bars), touching the two antenna parts on the side and bottom of the handset simultaneously, may compromise the quality of reception a bit, but it won’t cause any dropped calls.
On the other hand, dropped calls are quite easy to recreate persistently in areas of relatively low signal, however a bumper case, or anything that will protect the handset from contact with human skin, will sort those problems just as well.
05 July 2010, 01:58 PM
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Just read this in GSMarena, after they did their own research...
Here’s what we experienced with the iPhone 4. Signal bars do drop – and rather fast too – when your palm and fingers fold around the bottom left side of the handset. Contact with skin most certainly interferes with the antenna and the phone is effectively losing signal. But – and it’s a big BUT - we had no dropped calls because of this, nor any voice quality issues in areas of full strength signal.
In areas of spotty coverage, where the iPhone 4 reported only a single bar or two, things got messy. Even touching the surface of the phone, caused the voice quality to worsen and touching the bottom left corner consistently dropped the call.
We can also confirm that any type of a bumper case will eliminate the issue – we tested with an improvised rubber strip along the edge and signal remained steady.
We went ahead and did the same test with an iPhone 3G and it definitely looks that the bottom-left-corner-issue aside, the iPhone 4 has noticeably better reception than the 3G. It held on to signal more steadily and caught on signal much quicker when exiting a no-signal area such as a tunnel.
So as a conclusion, if the coverage in your area is good enough (full bars), touching the two antenna parts on the side and bottom of the handset simultaneously, may compromise the quality of reception a bit, but it won’t cause any dropped calls.
On the other hand, dropped calls are quite easy to recreate persistently in areas of relatively low signal, however a bumper case, or anything that will protect the handset from contact with human skin, will sort those problems just as well.
In areas of spotty coverage, where the iPhone 4 reported only a single bar or two, things got messy. Even touching the surface of the phone, caused the voice quality to worsen and touching the bottom left corner consistently dropped the call.
We can also confirm that any type of a bumper case will eliminate the issue – we tested with an improvised rubber strip along the edge and signal remained steady.
We went ahead and did the same test with an iPhone 3G and it definitely looks that the bottom-left-corner-issue aside, the iPhone 4 has noticeably better reception than the 3G. It held on to signal more steadily and caught on signal much quicker when exiting a no-signal area such as a tunnel.
So as a conclusion, if the coverage in your area is good enough (full bars), touching the two antenna parts on the side and bottom of the handset simultaneously, may compromise the quality of reception a bit, but it won’t cause any dropped calls.
On the other hand, dropped calls are quite easy to recreate persistently in areas of relatively low signal, however a bumper case, or anything that will protect the handset from contact with human skin, will sort those problems just as well.
05 July 2010, 02:00 PM
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Theres no justifaction given or needed Les.
Some people feel more secure when they buy into a small group like this , it makes them feel "special" ,
How it performs and how much it costs is largley irrelevent
Some people feel more secure when they buy into a small group like this , it makes them feel "special" ,
How it performs and how much it costs is largley irrelevent
05 July 2010, 02:04 PM
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Jack, have you used Android 2.1 or 2.2 yet? If so, interested to hear how good you feel it is against the latest iOS. I think it is a huge improvement, but I have only used a 3GS on whatever the old operating system was until recently.
I am attracted to the iPhone 4's display, but apart from that, the improvements in Android are quite amazing and putting me off paying £500.
I am attracted to the iPhone 4's display, but apart from that, the improvements in Android are quite amazing and putting me off paying £500.
05 July 2010, 05:30 PM
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I haven't used 2.1 enough to compare it to iOS4, but it was very usable, my main feeling were that it was an imitation, a bit like Ubuntu compared to Windows. It's great as it's free. I'm sure I'll get a chance to spend more time with it soon as I'm back at work.
As far as the bars on the iPhone are concerned I have one here and any grip has no effect. I should make a video.
As far as the bars on the iPhone are concerned I have one here and any grip has no effect. I should make a video.
06 July 2010, 12:07 AM
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It's nothing like it
It's a desktop (well multiple desktops) with widgets and shortcuts; the iphone is a list of apps. Steve has even gone so far as to ban apps from the store which make iOS more like Android (removed all widgets and desktop-like things a few weeks back) so how you can say it's a rip off I'm not sure.http://www.google.co.uk/search?sourc...oved+app+store
Lots of links there. I wonder why they've been pulled? Could it be because Apple are about to copy Android and have widgets and desktops as a part of their OS??
As for the context sensitive Menu button, the search button, the trackball, the Back button (which is amazingly useful) were they all copied too?
I know I said I wouldn't comment again, but that was just too much bollocks
06 July 2010, 12:56 AM
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lol Tathan, dont do it dude, its an Apple v Android battle, and there is an app for that!
Looking forwards to see what Android bring to the tablet table.
There is no doubt Android is blowing up right now, and has a big future. Sadly there is no convincing some.
Looking forwards to see what Android bring to the tablet table.
There is no doubt Android is blowing up right now, and has a big future. Sadly there is no convincing some.
06 July 2010, 01:28 AM
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06 July 2010, 07:20 AM
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My final point on this thread (which HAS entertained me somewhat on a slow sunday - whether that's an indictment of you or me I'm not sure) is that Apple is supposed to be a premium niche. The way things are going they were becoming mainstream bling. Haven't you seen what is/has happening/happened to very expensive brands such as Helly Hansen, Berghaus, Lowe, North Face?
Apple better watch the roadworks in Central London for signs fanboyism
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06 July 2010, 08:28 AM
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Lol.
It's funny (again) that the anti apple posters seem to have to put so much effort into making their point. Perhaps that's synonymous with the different systems
Personally I think it's commendable that apple have come clean and offered a full refund. Never seen that from others such as Nokia, Microsoft, Toyota etc, etc when their products had a design flaw.
**** happens sometimes regardless of how much time, effort ad expense goes into testing. Nothing is flawless, and the issue with the iPhone 4 is easily resolved.
The issues I have with my work blackberry by comparison are not. Trackballs were mentioned earlier. God knows why anyone saw fit to put that pos on a phone.
What apple should do, however, is ship or give away a bumper with every "4" free of charge. Or simply apply a clear coating to the affected areas.
That would remove the only issue with the device.
As for all the talk that android phones are offered with better deals, well yes they are but that's simple supply an demand economics. They have to give them away because they are not in such demand.
If the apple products were as inferior as many of you seem to make out, they simply wouldn't be so sought after. The fact is that fashion and desire only sells so much. To stand the test of time a product has to have substance.
It's funny (again) that the anti apple posters seem to have to put so much effort into making their point. Perhaps that's synonymous with the different systems
Personally I think it's commendable that apple have come clean and offered a full refund. Never seen that from others such as Nokia, Microsoft, Toyota etc, etc when their products had a design flaw.
**** happens sometimes regardless of how much time, effort ad expense goes into testing. Nothing is flawless, and the issue with the iPhone 4 is easily resolved.
The issues I have with my work blackberry by comparison are not. Trackballs were mentioned earlier. God knows why anyone saw fit to put that pos on a phone.
What apple should do, however, is ship or give away a bumper with every "4" free of charge. Or simply apply a clear coating to the affected areas.
That would remove the only issue with the device.
As for all the talk that android phones are offered with better deals, well yes they are but that's simple supply an demand economics. They have to give them away because they are not in such demand.
If the apple products were as inferior as many of you seem to make out, they simply wouldn't be so sought after. The fact is that fashion and desire only sells so much. To stand the test of time a product has to have substance.
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06 July 2010, 09:07 AM
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06 July 2010, 10:12 AM
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Prices are coming down Les, I can remember paying £7,000 for a Laptop not that many years ago, it was a magnitude less powerful that the mobile devices - calling them a phone is a bit misleading - available today.
06 July 2010, 11:42 AM
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Just to lighten the mood slightly, yesterday I received an email to my Blackberry sent from the mobile data department at work. Something along the lines of they have upgraded the OS inside it and it needs updating by simply following the instructions.
Easy to do and the BB is working again in around a minutes time.
However, they've changed something rather silly and now everytime any of us use google maps, we keep getting a message saying "This application may pinpoint your position. Do you wish to allow it?"
No ****! I'd have thought it'd be really useful for a GPS based device to be able to pinpoint where I am...
Easy to do and the BB is working again in around a minutes time.
However, they've changed something rather silly and now everytime any of us use google maps, we keep getting a message saying "This application may pinpoint your position. Do you wish to allow it?"
No ****! I'd have thought it'd be really useful for a GPS based device to be able to pinpoint where I am...