Which induction kit?
31 July 2010, 03:03 PM
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The Pipercross Viper i have is carbon fibre with cold air feed.I had normal Pipercross before,but changed because of the engine bay heat issues.Not really sure how it sounds because too much noise coming from Afterburner Vortex backbox and HKS BOV.pm welcome as don't really have any interest in seeing the bitching going on on here.
31 July 2010, 04:02 PM
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Actually, it was you who made the thread a personal one, and Prodrivefules who waded in on your coat tails, without actually contributing to the subject at hand, merely to try and have a pop, presumably thinking he'll have you to agree with him. Given that he's seen fit to do that, I'm more than entitled to respond. And it's the forum's thread now, for better or worse, not "yours".
What reason do you think it is sport?
Being as you're the sort whose standard MO is to post bad/incorrect advice and then label people who choose to debate you as, what was it, "c*nts", "f*ggots", "bummers", "gay" or a variety of other fruity terms, to the point of posting your (or someone else's) address on the public board and inviting others round to have a pop if they think they're hard enough, the words "glasshouses" and "stones" springs to mind. You've been told to wind it in by many more than me in the past.
When your stock response to being debated/disagreed with is to behave like a homophobic 12 year old playground bully, it makes it rather difficult for you to try and adopt any high ground in discussions like this. Your true colours show through far too quickly, especially to any regular readers of the board. How old are you exactly?
I'd suggest that Duncan's overview is far closer to my own than you are trying to claim. Without wanting to put words in his mouth he seems to be saying that that the standard induction tract is usually a safer bet, and would be his own choice in this position but that if the OP is determined to go the other way, a remap is necessary - which is almost exactly what I said in #2.
The opinion I gave up top was as good as it could have been given the information provided by the OP, in particular stressing the downside of just "chucking a loud one" on, without fully respecting the issues involved. As I mentioned later on, if Paul wanted a comprehensive answer to his question he should have provided all the relevant info up front, rather than ask half a question and then moan when he didn't get the agreement he was plainly seeking. Had he provided that information, he'd have received a response more relevant to his circumstances. He didn't, and here we are.
BTW, Prodrive, this habit you have of descending on other people's technical threads merely to launch ad-hominem attacks on other posters is getting a trifle repetitive. For someone who claimed to have been having a "long hard think" and asking me to "forgive" your prior attitude, it doesn't really look like much has changed, does it?
What reason do you think it is sport?
Being as you're the sort whose standard MO is to post bad/incorrect advice and then label people who choose to debate you as, what was it, "c*nts", "f*ggots", "bummers", "gay" or a variety of other fruity terms, to the point of posting your (or someone else's) address on the public board and inviting others round to have a pop if they think they're hard enough, the words "glasshouses" and "stones" springs to mind. You've been told to wind it in by many more than me in the past.
When your stock response to being debated/disagreed with is to behave like a homophobic 12 year old playground bully, it makes it rather difficult for you to try and adopt any high ground in discussions like this. Your true colours show through far too quickly, especially to any regular readers of the board. How old are you exactly?
I'd suggest that Duncan's overview is far closer to my own than you are trying to claim. Without wanting to put words in his mouth he seems to be saying that that the standard induction tract is usually a safer bet, and would be his own choice in this position but that if the OP is determined to go the other way, a remap is necessary - which is almost exactly what I said in #2.
The opinion I gave up top was as good as it could have been given the information provided by the OP, in particular stressing the downside of just "chucking a loud one" on, without fully respecting the issues involved. As I mentioned later on, if Paul wanted a comprehensive answer to his question he should have provided all the relevant info up front, rather than ask half a question and then moan when he didn't get the agreement he was plainly seeking. Had he provided that information, he'd have received a response more relevant to his circumstances. He didn't, and here we are.
BTW, Prodrive, this habit you have of descending on other people's technical threads merely to launch ad-hominem attacks on other posters is getting a trifle repetitive. For someone who claimed to have been having a "long hard think" and asking me to "forgive" your prior attitude, it doesn't really look like much has changed, does it?
And the address i put up was my own as i would be MORE than happy to meet you face to face MATE.
31 July 2010, 07:07 PM
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Hi mate.Just did'nt seem right,together with i was learning about these cars as a novice.Having trouble posting pics.Go to www.modifiedcars.com .Go to Subaru page.My car on page 1.Crystal grey STi with McRae rally tags.You will see pic of engine bay.
01 August 2010, 06:30 PM
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OK the best sounding induction kit is a K&N cone but they are a waste of time and moeny as stated before....... A lot of the members that run induction kits do it through necessity, not through choice..... FMIC forces you down that route!
If you use the search button you will see loads of people have asked this question and most have kept their std boxes but uprated the panel filter as they are modding their cars for performance not for Chav sound, what is the point of spending all that money for a sound a mod that will degrade performance ?
If you want a daft noise buy a Dumpvalve
If you use the search button you will see loads of people have asked this question and most have kept their std boxes but uprated the panel filter as they are modding their cars for performance not for Chav sound, what is the point of spending all that money for a sound a mod that will degrade performance ?
If you want a daft noise buy a Dumpvalve
01 August 2010, 07:03 PM
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i bought a hks induction kit from sumo power really good! loads of chatter and nice sound! once u fit one u wont need a dump valve for noise!! gives a open waistgate sound! much better. ive had mine on 4month and havent had a re map yet car works fine!! hope this info is usefull no jibberish! oh splitpit picture is quality
01 August 2010, 08:15 PM
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Mine is advice based on findings, as is splitpins..... there is no opinion involved..... You want real technical info about anything you wish to do to your car then use the search function.
It's a fact, any change of Air going in to the engine or Gas going out requires a remap, plain and simple, the ECU isn't capable of making the required adjustments... in alot of cases the MAF curve needs rescaling etc etc so the std ECU is NEVER going to be able to do the job properly.
The filters with Oils on them upset the already delicate MAF sensors of the classic cars, it coats the wire thus giving the ECU shat readings leading to all sorts of problems including a blown up engine due to running lean/Detting
Now I know the OP is going to go and get a remap but if he isn't going to change the turbo this time around prior to the remap then don't bother with the induction kit as the standard airbox is capable of providing the power!!
There ya go, no bull****, no Opinions!
01 August 2010, 10:36 PM
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I have an HKS BOV.I was curious to know how many Scooby owners have a dump valve and quoted you on your OPINION.ScoobyWorld do all work on my car and give me advice.I don't get involved in tit for tat,but comment on how my car runs etc and try to be helpful.I am a Scooby fanatic,but cannot understand why members like splitpin need to be sarcastic and others are obsessed with being right.
01 August 2010, 10:37 PM
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I have an HKS BOV.I was curious to know how many Scooby owners have a dump valve and quoted you on your OPINION.ScoobyWorld do all work on my car and give me advice.I don't get involved in tit for tat,but comment on how my car runs etc and try to be helpful.I am a Scooby fanatic,but cannot understand why members like splitpin need to be sarcastic and others are obsessed with being right.
02 August 2010, 12:25 AM
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If you want the best performance gains for your engine and are not running a FMIC then you will not go too far wrong with a replacement panel filter either a Green Hybrid or K&N. 
If you want to fit an induction kit then there is only one that I would consider and that is an RCM induction kit, it was designed by Bob Rawle for RCM and the induction trumpet ensures the correct air flow past the MAF and when mapped your MAF will be rescaled to suit the increased air flow.
I am going to be fitting an RCM kit shortly but it will be fitted along with an SPT induction heat shield to eliminate a lot of heat soak into the filter position.
BTW I do like Splitpin's style, he is very direct and does his best to help anyone who posts asking for help, you may not like his style but you cannot question his technical ability.
If you want to fit an induction kit then there is only one that I would consider and that is an RCM induction kit, it was designed by Bob Rawle for RCM and the induction trumpet ensures the correct air flow past the MAF and when mapped your MAF will be rescaled to suit the increased air flow.
I am going to be fitting an RCM kit shortly but it will be fitted along with an SPT induction heat shield to eliminate a lot of heat soak into the filter position.
BTW I do like Splitpin's style, he is very direct and does his best to help anyone who posts asking for help, you may not like his style but you cannot question his technical ability.
02 August 2010, 12:46 AM
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I for one speak from experience and havin owned three Imprezas has taught me a lot, especially the first one I blew to pieces from hastely modding and not doing it right, I had all the gear and no idea LOL
This site is great for technical knowledge and the like of splitpin do tell it how it is whether we like what we hear or not which is good
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02 August 2010, 12:49 PM
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There is an obsession for a lot of people to be right on threads that are asking a specific question because like you we are all scooby fanatics and do not want see people making mistakes that have already been made, when sound advice has previously given and we don't want the OP being footed with a £££ bill for an engine rebuild etc.
I for one speak from experience and havin owned three Imprezas has taught me a lot, especially the first one I blew to pieces from hastely modding and not doing it right, I had all the gear and no idea LOL
This site is great for technical knowledge and the like of splitpin do tell it how it is whether we like what we hear or not which is good
I for one speak from experience and havin owned three Imprezas has taught me a lot, especially the first one I blew to pieces from hastely modding and not doing it right, I had all the gear and no idea LOL
This site is great for technical knowledge and the like of splitpin do tell it how it is whether we like what we hear or not which is good
02 August 2010, 01:18 PM
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Dumpvalves are uselss tbh, they make your car run like a bag of nails, replaced the one fitted to my type r with a recirc one as i was fed up with the noise and it didnt run as smooth as it should, recirc back on, no nasty noises and runs much smoother
As for Splitpin, direct and to the point, nothing wrong with that and his advice is 100%
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As for Splitpin, direct and to the point, nothing wrong with that
and his advice is 100% Tony
02 August 2010, 03:20 PM
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+1 for splitpin, if the OP tried to use the search function (or any old search engine on the web for that matter), ALL the information he could ever have wanted would have been available...for everyone that complains about his post; grow a set FFS and be grateful for the free advice
02 August 2010, 04:28 PM
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Induction kit with cold air feed and new exhaust with Ninja 100cell sports cat took me from 265bhp to 289bhp.Re Map last July took me to 314.8bhp.Can anyone tell me how much benefit in the power increase at the first stage would have been down to the induction kit.
02 August 2010, 05:24 PM
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Don't want to trouble you.Just ok to know that not wasted money with the induction kit.Goes like 
.A friend of my work mate tried for 4.5 miles to pass me,then followed me home.I looked at his car and he looked under my bonnet.Thanks againHe drives an F-430.
.A friend of my work mate tried for 4.5 miles to pass me,then followed me home.I looked at his car and he looked under my bonnet.Thanks againHe drives an F-430.
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its all there if you are prepared to look for it.
02 August 2010, 06:21 PM
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I only have an induction kit on my classic because of the FMIC pipe location, on my 2.5 newage I run a panel (green). If you want the DV and induction thrills blank your DV and go for a RCMS cone/trumpet and do it properly. I don't think you should, but if it's what you want crack on Splitpin is bang on the money and from my own point of view you mess with AFR at your own peril, damage may not be immediately apparent but it doesn't mean everything is ok. Friends that have open induction kits without a heat soak strategy all complain about being slow off the lights !
Keep in mind that Maf sensors are c.300 to replace too Cheap poorly inistalled induction kits can contribute to their premature demise.
Splitpin is bang on the money and from my own point of view you mess with AFR at your own peril, damage may not be immediately apparent but it doesn't mean everything is ok. Friends that have open induction kits without a heat soak strategy all complain about being slow off the lights !Keep in mind that Maf sensors are c.300 to replace too
Cheap poorly inistalled induction kits can contribute to their premature demise.
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Induction Kit
Thread resurrection, sorry.
wrx 2005 blobeye, : my car is already mapped, running 1.4 bar max boost, its all been decatted, and headers have been ported and thermal wrapped, thanks to Harvey (RIP), but it was mapped on standard factory air box, however, I have recently purchased an 'SPT Induction kit', with heat shield, awaiting to arrive in the post, so would this mean I now require a Map Tweak ???? to take into account this extra mod, or would the existing map settings cope well with the introduction of this induction kit. at a guess I think it should be running 280bhp, but certainly no more on the standard TD04 turbo.
all advise welcome
wrx 2005 blobeye, : my car is already mapped, running 1.4 bar max boost, its all been decatted, and headers have been ported and thermal wrapped, thanks to Harvey (RIP), but it was mapped on standard factory air box, however, I have recently purchased an 'SPT Induction kit', with heat shield, awaiting to arrive in the post, so would this mean I now require a Map Tweak ???? to take into account this extra mod, or would the existing map settings cope well with the introduction of this induction kit. at a guess I think it should be running 280bhp, but certainly no more on the standard TD04 turbo.
all advise welcome
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