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Old 05 August 2010, 08:06 AM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
I have never been to China and don't know that much about Chinese culture to be honest so won't comment. In terms of India though you'll find that as well as ancient culture its modern/pop culture is just as vibrant. You only have to look at things like the influence of Bollywood, Indian music, art, food and fashion to see that. It is pop culture granted but it has a worldwide influence.
Ancient culture is ancient because it is a relic.

Bollywood is banal, it's not high culture.
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Surely their major advantage at the moment is very cheap labour. When that changes as it will eventually, their economy will also slow down.

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It's interesting that the orthodoxy makes a virtue of birth control etc and 'sustainable' population levels but the needs of capitalism are polar opposite.
Old 05 August 2010, 08:29 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
Ancient culture is ancient because it is a relic.

Bollywood is banal, it's not high culture.
If you read my post you would see I never sought to imply something as 'pop' as Bollywood is anything other than what is often referred to as 'pop culture'. Its but one example of India's current influence on the world through cinema, music, literature, art, fashion and food ie what is often termed loosely 'culture'

For my education could you please define high culture, as I've never heard that expression used before
Old 05 August 2010, 08:40 AM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
If you read my post you would see I never sought to imply something as 'pop' as Bollywood is anything other than what is often referred to as 'pop culture'. Its but one example of India's current influence on the world through cinema, music, literature, art, fashion and food ie what is often termed loosely 'culture'

For my education could you please define high culture, as I've never heard that expression used before
It's opposed to mass or low culture.

If a society enables the artist to achieve his full creative potential then you can have high culture. Normally society gets in the way with commercial, political or economic pressures. High culture is rare but ancient india did achieve it just as greece and rome. India today though produces low culture.
Old 05 August 2010, 08:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
That's an 'average' wage and comes from a country that is very poor at collecting data, so the stats themselves cannot be relied upon. Its all very well to google a figure and spout some nonsense but I take it you have never been there or do business there?

I have business links with the country and can tell you there are far cheaper places to manufacture in the world than India
No Google or "average" wage involved mate. This figure came from the mouth of a plant manager at one of the dozen or so different factories I have visited there during the past 2.5 years: his production line operators earn US$ 100 per month, which is about GBP 760 per year.

As for my business, well if you're that interested I have increased our company's sales there from almost nothing to around 1.25 million quid during that time, so I think I can confidently say that I know a little bit about what goes on there.
Old 05 August 2010, 10:39 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's opposed to mass or low culture.

If a society enables the artist to achieve his full creative potential then you can have high culture. Normally society gets in the way with commercial, political or economic pressures. High culture is rare but ancient india did achieve it just as greece and rome. India today though produces low culture.
Could then please tell me which country you feel at this present time has 'high culture'?
Old 05 August 2010, 10:47 AM
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Originally Posted by Turbo2
No Google or "average" wage involved mate. This figure came from the mouth of a plant manager at one of the dozen or so different factories I have visited there during the past 2.5 years: his production line operators earn US$ 100 per month, which is about GBP 760 per year.

As for my business, well if you're that interested I have increased our company's sales there from almost nothing to around 1.25 million quid during that time, so I think I can confidently say that I know a little bit about what goes on there.
Fair enough, I won't question your involvement with the region again. My point though was that by international standards India is no longer considered cheap and it would be useful to compare that £750/year to the wages in say Bangladesh, Vietnam, Cambodia etc.
Old 05 August 2010, 10:52 AM
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Originally Posted by tony de wonderful
It's interesting that the orthodoxy makes a virtue of birth control etc and 'sustainable' population levels but the needs of capitalism are polar opposite.
Yes oh King!

Which is actually more important to a country's economy and the lot of its people, its "High Culture" or its commercial success?

Should we be pouring our taxes into the support of the arts?

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Old 05 August 2010, 07:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Dingdongler
Could then please tell me which country you feel at this present time has 'high culture'?
Would appreciate your thoughts on this Mr Wonderful
Old 07 August 2010, 06:13 AM
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Still waiting for an answer Mr Wonderful, or do you realise you don't have one?
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Doubt it!

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