seems workshy skivers are in for a change
02 August 2010, 06:19 PM
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They opened an Aldi store in a posh area of town about 15 mile from where i live.Let's just say it didn't last long and closed down,but the Waitrose has been around for years,some guy was speaking to his mrs and i hear him say,we can't have the likes of Aldi in this part of town.Amazing the amount of snobbery that still goes on in this country,sometimes i think we really are our own worst enemy..
02 August 2010, 06:31 PM
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It's a well known fact that Aldi and Lidl attract immigrant workers to the area, although saying that Lidl's sells the worlds best lasagne "Trattoria Alfredo", look for it if you dare!
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02 August 2010, 07:18 PM
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Closer to the town a few miles along the road is a bit of a different story though. Yet not an aldi or lidl in sight.
We do our shop between Asda, Tesco, Aldi and of course Wilkinsons (discount helps there) depending on what we need/want. Tbh it probably costs more overall doing that.
02 August 2010, 07:28 PM
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People who turns their noses at shops because they think that they're 'better' than others needs a good slap!!!
I shop at where ever I want, when I want, if people don't like that they can fu*k right off. And yes, I earn a very good wage. So snobs, **** off c*nts
I shop at where ever I want, when I want, if people don't like that they can fu*k right off. And yes, I earn a very good wage. So snobs, **** off c*nts
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Everyone knows Sainsbury's was invented to keep the oiks out of Waitrose!
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Its strange that when I mention charity shops that no one will ever admit to having bought anything in them. Not only is it very cheap but whatever you might spend goes to a good cause.
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03 August 2010, 09:01 AM
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it doesnt take a genious to work out . every pound the passenger gets they will spend therfore the gov gets 17.5% of it back straight away . and the money they spend keeps someone in a job , (ie local pub local supermarket and taxi driver to take em there )
03 August 2010, 09:41 AM
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03 August 2010, 09:55 AM
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sorry no offence intended , by passengers i ment dole/benefits brigade. there is a whole industry around benefits. there are 6 goverment workers involved in my pay packet every month thats where the real money is being wasted . 1 taxs me 2gives me back more child benefit then i pay in tax . 3 gives me wtc . 4 gives ctc . 5 gives me dla for my son who is autistic , 6 takes the council tax every month , thats where this goverment cocked up creating jobs for the sake of it . oh and dispite all the benefits i listed i am only £72.00 a month beter off working
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I wanted *him* to explain, rather than someone elses interpretation of *his* assertions. Anyhow, the *passengers*, by whom I assume you mean *people who work for the government* get paid by the taxpayer, so it's not *new* money going into the economy. Just tax pounds being redistributed. A big difference which the lefties never seem to get and which ALWAYS leads to leftie governments wrecking the economy.
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03 August 2010, 12:30 PM
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I shopped at Aldi for ages, I found it depressing sometimes, now I like to choose where I go, there isnt one near so I dont ever shop there, driving to the one ten miles away eats into the saving in fuel and time.
I sued to shop there when I was skint, for years, there for the main stuff and then iceland for the BOGOFS, I knew it had been to long when one of the kids asked for some "Apfelsaft" as he hadnt known anything with an English label !
I find when economising, I buy loads of stuff from Aldi/Netto/Lidl etc, plus a Tap and Die set, some cycling gear, a Primus stove and all manner of other random crap, then have to go to another supermarket to get stuff I couldnt get at the cheaper ones.
It goes like this, as I see it,
Premiership
M and S food hall
Waitrose
1st division
Tesco (in the relegation zone I think)
Sainsburys (aspiring to the Premier league but a way off)
2nd division
Morrisons (awaiting promotion)
Asda (pronounced "Asdor" in Manchester)
3rd division
Aldi
Netto
Lidl
Diving in skips
I sued to shop there when I was skint, for years, there for the main stuff and then iceland for the BOGOFS, I knew it had been to long when one of the kids asked for some "Apfelsaft" as he hadnt known anything with an English label !
I find when economising, I buy loads of stuff from Aldi/Netto/Lidl etc, plus a Tap and Die set, some cycling gear, a Primus stove and all manner of other random crap, then have to go to another supermarket to get stuff I couldnt get at the cheaper ones.
It goes like this, as I see it,
Premiership
M and S food hall
Waitrose
1st division
Tesco (in the relegation zone I think)
Sainsburys (aspiring to the Premier league but a way off)
2nd division
Morrisons (awaiting promotion)
Asda (pronounced "Asdor" in Manchester)
3rd division
Aldi
Netto
Lidl
Diving in skips
04 August 2010, 09:29 AM
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You couldn't be more wrong
04 August 2010, 01:49 PM
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Yep, its called the velocity of money in economics
FAIL!!! Of course it does. Because that money could be put to more productive use elsewhere. By taking money from people as tax, you make their lives worse off, and for what? If its to pay for courts for example, good thing, the legal structure allows us to have the prosperous society we have today (compared with any other time in history).
FAIL!!! Of course it does. Because that money could be put to more productive use elsewhere. By taking money from people as tax, you make their lives worse off, and for what? If its to pay for courts for example, good thing, the legal structure allows us to have the prosperous society we have today (compared with any other time in history).
Even if you 'waste' money on projects like the Millenium Dome, where do you think that money is being spent? It was all done by private contractors. £750million pounds that went back in to private hands, and then their suppliers, more spending by employees etc.
There may be spending where you think it could be better directed, but it's just an opinion, at the end of the day, it's still moving around, generating income for all sorts of people.
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Prostituting yourself to the state wasn't a career choice when there were few benefits to be had and a social stigma attached. There needs to be a fundamental change in culture, reattach the social stigma to this lifestyle choice and people will be less inclined to see it as a career option.
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That is ridiculous, this is just another view that people who work in the public sector provide no value because they produce no profit, or that they are somehow less than people in the private sector. I have worked both in the public sector and the private sector and have seen no evidence of this at all. In fact, due to generally much lower pay in the public sector, you could argue those employees give better value for money.
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That is ridiculous, this is just another view that people who work in the public sector provide no value because they produce no profit, or that they are somehow less than people in the private sector. I have worked both in the public sector and the private sector and have seen no evidence of this at all. In fact, due to generally much lower pay in the public sector, you could argue those employees give better value for money.
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Nope, they do not. They are moving money around, like everyone else. If the money didn't move at all, nothing would work now, would it?
Even if you didn't have the govenrment and people still had all their money, they would still have to pay for things that the government provide now through taxation.
When you say 'generate all the money' what exactly do you think this means? Money and weatlth are two different things. Only the government can generate money, and weatlh, as we have seen several times over the last 30 years is indeed very transient, not a tangible thing at all.
The government is just another company, it's not hard to understand. They generate income by taxation, but really it's just people/corporations paying for the services they provide, like any other company. They provide goods in the form of public services, just like any other company.
OK, unlike most private companies, you don't really have a choice, I grant you that! But, still, they are a wealth generating entity in that they pump money round the system, supporting all sorts of companies and employing people. It just so happens they enjoy the position of not going under like private ones, and setting the laws which may help them trade
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Even if you didn't have the govenrment and people still had all their money, they would still have to pay for things that the government provide now through taxation.
When you say 'generate all the money' what exactly do you think this means? Money and weatlth are two different things. Only the government can generate money, and weatlh, as we have seen several times over the last 30 years is indeed very transient, not a tangible thing at all.
The government is just another company, it's not hard to understand. They generate income by taxation, but really it's just people/corporations paying for the services they provide, like any other company. They provide goods in the form of public services, just like any other company.
OK, unlike most private companies, you don't really have a choice, I grant you that! But, still, they are a wealth generating entity in that they pump money round the system, supporting all sorts of companies and employing people. It just so happens they enjoy the position of not going under like private ones, and setting the laws which may help them trade
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Geezer - you dont understand economics. You need to create value in an economy, not just spend it. Yes, certain public sector things do create value (I specifically mentioned the courts for example), most do not. As dave pointed out, the private sector GENERATES all this money you need to spend.
In your book, a guy digging a hole in the street, then another guy filling it in would be fine becuase you've created two jobs. In reality its destroying value. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable..._broken_window
In your book, a guy digging a hole in the street, then another guy filling it in would be fine becuase you've created two jobs. In reality its destroying value. Read http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parable..._broken_window
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I have read that before, but it rather over simplifies this discussion. I know what youre trying to say, but certain things are instigated by governments which simply would not be undertaken without them by the private sector, as they produce no tangible profit (the Olympics for example, will undoutbedly make a loss).
However, this endeavour will lead to the creation of jobs, the movement of money as several companies move in to create the environment needed to stage the games. This is actually creating wealth where it would have not had it been left to the private sector.
To say out of hand that the goverment adds no value simply isn't so.
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However, this endeavour will lead to the creation of jobs, the movement of money as several companies move in to create the environment needed to stage the games. This is actually creating wealth where it would have not had it been left to the private sector.
To say out of hand that the goverment adds no value simply isn't so.
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Saw a 99p shop in Plymstock yesterday, everything for 99p 0r less, run by Indians. The shop was full of customers taking large bags of stuff home, most of it named brands too.
They were making piles of cash by selling at a low profit margin but shifting piles of stuff. They know what they are doing alright.
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They were making piles of cash by selling at a low profit margin but shifting piles of stuff. They know what they are doing alright.
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04 August 2010, 03:44 PM
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There are far to many people in this country who believe the welfare state is a given right even though I know a guy who has never and I mean never done an honest days work in his life so has never paid a penny to the state but always expects his rent, council tax and weekly wage from the goverment, he claims to have a shoulder problem but this doesnt stop him riding his motocross bike but the idiots in the dole office believe him and he gets far more than he deserves.
These people then churn kids out and the kids then grow up to beleive there sole aim in life is to be like there parents, they have no pride and seem happy to be living off hard working people who do work to support themselves and ultimatley these dole scroungers.
My personal view is the welfare system should be linked to what you pay in to it, for instance if you've worked since you left school and become unemployed for some reason you should be entitled to claim for everything but then these arseholes who have never paid a penny get bugger all and then lets see how many of them finally get some dignity and get a bloody job.
I was made unemployed and to me it was like the end of the world to not be able to support myself or my family, I was given £50 a week to live on and that was it even though I had paid into the system for 15 years, this mad me so angry that I got off my **** and got a job even if it was low paid just to get my dignity back, I have to say if Im not working im not happy i get 2 days off a week and get bored after a day just because I have always worked and find it allien to be sitting doing nothing.
It makes me mad because these people are the ones who claim they cant get a job because of the people who are coming in from other countries taking there job oppotunities, what they dont realise is the immigrants are the ones who come over here solely to work and will take a job whatever it is they really dont care they just want to be working, where as you get the dole scroungers who will go to the dole office and say im not taking any job that wont pay me £1000 a week id rather sit on my **** and let you pay everything for me.
Someone needs to get the message across that we are not going to allow this to go on and eventually you are going to have to get a bloody job even if it is flipping burgers.
These people then churn kids out and the kids then grow up to beleive there sole aim in life is to be like there parents, they have no pride and seem happy to be living off hard working people who do work to support themselves and ultimatley these dole scroungers.
My personal view is the welfare system should be linked to what you pay in to it, for instance if you've worked since you left school and become unemployed for some reason you should be entitled to claim for everything but then these arseholes who have never paid a penny get bugger all and then lets see how many of them finally get some dignity and get a bloody job.
I was made unemployed and to me it was like the end of the world to not be able to support myself or my family, I was given £50 a week to live on and that was it even though I had paid into the system for 15 years, this mad me so angry that I got off my **** and got a job even if it was low paid just to get my dignity back, I have to say if Im not working im not happy i get 2 days off a week and get bored after a day just because I have always worked and find it allien to be sitting doing nothing.
It makes me mad because these people are the ones who claim they cant get a job because of the people who are coming in from other countries taking there job oppotunities, what they dont realise is the immigrants are the ones who come over here solely to work and will take a job whatever it is they really dont care they just want to be working, where as you get the dole scroungers who will go to the dole office and say im not taking any job that wont pay me £1000 a week id rather sit on my **** and let you pay everything for me.
Someone needs to get the message across that we are not going to allow this to go on and eventually you are going to have to get a bloody job even if it is flipping burgers.
My g/f only made 800 a month at that point so only god knows how they expected her to pay rent, council tax, electricity and food all on her own. This made my blood boil as I know plenty of folk that just sponge their way through life and I had paid more than my fair share of tax and NI
The only way to sort it out was to move out of where I was staying, borrow deposit money for a new place, move into their in my name and say i'm staying alone. All this acheived was the government actually paying out MORE than what they would have if the just contributed a little to my rent in the first place, it's so stupid !
I know doing that may be slightly frowned upon but their really was NO other option
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can we get back on topic please. enough talk about ******* shopping centres. more victimisation of marginalised eastern europeans and illiegal aliens, chavs and scousers please.
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