banny sti

iTrader: (68)

Well everyone else seems to picking and choosing who they want to help, so DL has just as much right as the next person to choose who he helps. Dont you agree DCI?

Banny

DCI Gene Hunt

No, absolutely not - I'm referring to a place called Pakistan not a religious cult that practices there

Leslie

Are you one of those people who are selfish enough that if you saw someone in trouble and unable to help themselves you would mentally tell yourself that is none of your affair and just walk on past! There seem to be more and more like that these days.

Say you were in a similar situation, lets say you being dragged out to sea by a strong undertow which you could not overcome and you were in danger of drowning, how would you feel if some bloke with a boat who could save you could not be bothered and just said it was your own fault anyway and it was someone else's responsibility. How would you regard the attitude of the man in that boat?

Les

shooter007

sorry no give to childrens charity in uk and wwf and thats enough let pakistan sell some of there assets eg nukes and space prog

EH52WRX

iTrader: (16)

LMFAO

Martin2005

[quote=juggers;9544718]Blimey you haven't been paying attention then

tony de wonderful

That is not the same. You don't help a drowning man in front of your eyes to trumpt your own humanism...you just do it. It's not the same as donating money to some abstract cause you are wholey alientated from.

David Lock

You talk about the victims as if they live on another planet. These are human beings a few hours away by plane, many of whom may have relatives living in the street next to you. We all live on a tiny speck called the earth and should help them. Fellow mankind and all that stuff

All IMHO. dl

DCI Gene Hunt

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcwbl...eature=related

The Zohan

Charity - this is really what we are discussing, is a personal thing and down to an individual. I cannot stand to see kids suffer no matter what their colour or religion or nationality. I am careful how i give and who i give to however, usually clothes, shoes, toys, bedding, etc and in rarely money to third world charities or causes as IMHO the money hardly ever seems to get to those who really need it.

I trust the red cross and red crescent to deliver aid and do 'give' to them.

I people do not want to 'give' then it is purely their choice to do so and for their personal reasons, right or wrong.

what would scooby do

I might send a case of bubble bath

David Lock

Very nice song, Mr Hunt.

John Lennon also had a song with a similar theme

Shame it will never happen as the human race seems bent on destroying itself

dl

David Lock

Oh my goodness that is really hilarious

Which of your two grey cells thought that one up?

Perhaps you have some one-liners up your sleeve about kids dieing from dysentery or cholera perhaps?

dl

RA Dunk

Leslie

Totally illogical statement and pretty difficult to understand what you mean anyway.

Are you saying then that you have no compassion whatever for the ordinary and very poor people and children of that country who are being drowned and/or are losing their property,cattle and crops and who have absolutely nothing to do with terrorism. They spend their time under normal circumstances just fighting to scratch a living without any of the luxuries that you take for granted.

It is just down to helping other people out in disastrous times and their nationality is nothing to do with it!

Please explain what you mean by "humanism" in the sense that you used it.

Les

RA Dunk

I "think" what he's saying is, If their own government dont give a damn about them why should we, although I could be wrong?

Leslie

I assumed that is what he was saying in fact. Do you think that is a valid reason for not helping people in that kind of distress yourself? is it really possible to justify that kind of attitude?

Les

RA Dunk

Yes, they do need help I agree on that and I don't mind helping, but what get's my goat is why do we seem to be doing 'more' than their own government?

David Lock

OK - may I change tack on this thread slightly. It seems many on here are reluctant to support help primarily because the Pakistan Govt do so little themselves, are corrupt and waste their money on arms and such like. And I am sure this is true although it's easy to forget that many Pakistani soldiers have been killed fighting terrorists (yes I know there are factions supporting the Taliban).

So let's say a new Government is elected that stops wasting its money on nukes ans wants to help its people and prevent a recurrence of these floods.

But when I think about answers all I get are negative thoughts. You can't move that many people to higher ground, even if there was any. You can't build a better irrigation system etc. You can't stop it raining which may happen more frequently now in any case.

You can't just re-engineer the country's infrastructure. At best, perhaps, would be to construct a network of regional centres above flood level to provide emergency assistance when needed. But hardly a long term solution.

So what else can be done?

dl

DCI Gene Hunt

There needs to be a formal review of what's actually happened so that the route cause can be identified and where possible mitigated. Without that basic assessment it'll keep on happening year after year.

The solution to flooding isn't move everyone higher, there are a raft (pardon the pun) of things to consider first, which will likely be quick wins such as "emergency monitoring of adverse weather patterns linked to a public communication network - forewarned and all that...

EH52WRX

iTrader: (16)

I cant believe we are still talking about this. These things happen for a reason, and that is to keep the population down. If everyone was to live until they were 100, the world would be fcuked. That is just the world evolving, next time something different. There is **** all that can be done, get over it. Cheerie.

Richard

David Lock

Well you don't have to talk about it.

But good to see the milk of human kindness flowing freely through SN

Perhaps we could put Trident to good use and nuke any survivors and help save the world?

Cheerie dl

EH52WRX

iTrader: (16)

LOL, if only. But i am correct in saying that these things happen for a reason. You have just got to deal with it. SIMPLES.
Cheerie,

Richard

David Lock

Quite correct. And there are some decent, practical engineers around to do just that. And plenty of aid/development funds floating about to fund a study such as World Bank and Asian Development Bank. Even the EC could come up with some dosh as it wouldn't be that expensive in aid terms. Good, basic engineering. Don't let the politicians near it. dl

TonyBurns

iTrader: (3)

First of all, things happen for a reason, so mother nature can take her toll, then there are the "so called" charities (ie a box on a counter of an asian owned shop) where you dont know where the hell the cash is going (could be going into their own pockets), so you just dont put money in there, you push it to a charity like the red cross who will help.

Then there is the BIG question, so you want to give money to help those who were/have been flooded out in Pakistan, did you give money to any charities when we had bad flooding in Cornwall or Cumbria? (even those people of Humberside whom there are still some after 2 years are out of their homes )

Just a little thought

Tony

EH52WRX

iTrader: (16)

Why don't you contact the worlds banks and put your ideas to them, i am sure they would love for you to tell them how to spend there money.

What world are you guy's living in, LOL, we cant even look after own coastline and flood defences, what chance have they got.

Richard

DCI Gene Hunt

What... there's more than one?

I like to think I live in a world who's mission is to strive to improve the quality of life for all its citizens regardless of border. That's done in a myriad of ways not just the charity box on the shop counter, in fact changing perceptions can change the world but it has to start with the mind and hearts..... I may joke about awful situations but hey that's years of conditioning by Bernard Manning but I know a world I'd rather live in..... and it isn't the one you describe

David Lock

I live in the real world.

First of all I am talking about the World Bank and not the world's banks. Secondly it not their money as it is funded by governments.

And I have met World Bank officials in London several times, to discuss project funding. Not as David Lock, of course, but representing a British Group. So it can be done. In the real world groups like the World Bank will already be planning to see what can be done in the future.

dl

DCI Gene Hunt

This isn't an isolated event though, flooding and natural disasters are worldwide - the flooding has hit Pakistan and China within a week of each other - so by my accounts this is a case of establishing a UN style "International Disaster Management Team" to analyse and learn from these events then make that information available for free to the rest of the world - sharing knowledge - best practice and all that.

EH52WRX

iTrader: (16)

Ha Le lou Yah My friend, LMAO

Richard.