Tidgy

i think its more that alot of religous text's totaly contradict themselves. im not reglious my my grandmother is very. even she says the bibble does this in places.

i agree 100% that allot of extreamists and fanatics pick and choose to make their views correct. Most of them seem to have been kicked out of the mainstream due to it.

shooter007

only if they are very very lucky

tony de wonderful

Obama is a fundie?

The Zohan

You say that (in jest?) but the radicals have no problem whatsoever in killing Muslims along with anyone else, just look at Iraq and Afghanistan. Another huge car bomb has killed 40+ men, women and children this morning.


I still find it odd that people assume that those who oppose the mosque are branded as radicals or fundamentalists. However, this seems to be the way of the world, anyone who opposes or stands against xy or z is branded as such with a view to maginalising their opinions and shutting them up.

Lee247

Most of my American buddies on FB had major objections to this, on their status yesterday.

The Zohan

And are they dyed in the wool christian fundamentalists and wog/****** haters Lee or just ordinary Americans???

dpb

The' radicals' blowing each other in Iraq anyway are local factions fighting an age old war for turf - Theyve nothing to gain from belowing westerners up in the west !

Lee247

Just normal people, Paul.

This is what they put, I just copied it from one of their status


If you think that putting up a mosque 600 ft from ground zero and having the inauguration on the anniversary of 9/11 is immoral, inhuman and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day and their survivors and that politicians are doing a grave injustice... to the fallen heroes, their families... ............and all the people of NYC, THEN PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO YOUR WALL12 hours ago

The Zohan

Too much caffeine, cannot find my crack pipe

RA Dunk

lol, nothing like getting things of your chest is there.

The Zohan

Perhaps the answer is to build a church, synagogue, mosques and assorted temples, maybe even a mini stone henge (for the pagans), that way no one can be accused of being unfair.

Only this does leave the atheists hanging, what do you do to please all???

Glowplug

iTrader: (8)

How come then, the pagans 'only' get a mini stone henge. Are you gonna build the jews and muzzies 'mini' versions of their place of worship?? Whats your problem with pagans, do you want to burn them too? Makes you as bad as obama in my eyes!

tony de wonderful

I think it shows extroidinary confidence on the part of the mosque builders. Arrogance?

The Zohan

You have a valid point, i think the answer is not to build any of them, a memorial would be the answer.

http://www.national911memorial.org/s...ename=New_Home

Looks like someone beat me to it. The best thing all round really Religious building probably best left out.

Tidgy

In america relgious rights are is in the fabric of the law, how can america consider itself a great and free nation if they do ban it?

Obama is just going by the american constitution, hes follwoing the laws of the land, simple realy

GlesgaKiss

Obama is about the most unconstitutional president there's ever been. Honestly tidgy, the U.S.A has gone so far off course it's unbelievable. Although saying that, they did have slaves back then. The idea of the constitution was pretty much perfect except for the fact the 'rights' didn't seem to apply to Africans.

I'm sure one of the first presidents made it a crime punishable by death to create money that wasn't gold or silver... infact I'm sure it's in the constitution that money has to be backed by either silver or gold. Obviously that was done away with and the result is never ending inflation of worthless paper. That's just one aspect of the constitution that was trampled over, and there are loads more.

The likes of Thomas Jefferson said that every American had the right to believe whatever in whatever god they wanted, or even question the existence of a god.

Tidgy

i agree, i just find it funny he's being moaned at for doing what the law says (for once,, lol)

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

I think some perspective is needed here:
http://allamusing.com/post/962447502...amic-center-ny

Lets remember people, this isn't even at Ground Zero.

J4CKO

iTrader: (1)

Those bloody insensitive Muslims eh !

What, with the Americans pussyfooting around the world, keeping themselves to themselves, never offending anybody......



What is a reasonable distance from "Ground Zero" to build a Mosque, seeign as it is hallowed ground know, I assume no Muslims will be allowed entry to the new World Trade Centre based on this ?

Not that the Muslims are any better, take a look at the road to Mecca, us Infidels arent allowed to proceed to Mecca, whether we want to play Bingo or not...

CrisPDuk

This response on there had me chuckling

And I bet he still has no idea why people think he's a fcukwit

Lydia72

Maybe it won't happen anyway
http://www.haaretz.com/news/internat...enter-1.308426

every1sgottablue1

It is a shame that the Muslims don't worship animals like the Hindu religion. That way you could build what you like, and just put a cattle shed on top.
Hence no more blowing up buildings.
Our troops could ride cows around Afghanistan, and you would have no more mines.

Life would be simple

Leslie

I agree about the contradictions you mention. That is down to whoever wrote those scriptures and than again whoever it was who translated them.

That does not mean that a religion is wrong in itself though. The religion generally interprets those writings into a form which is supposed to be something one can understand. Once again you have to depend on someone's interpretation of course. I think that Christians tend to use what the Bible says as a guide but use their particular religion as an example to live up to as far as their existence is concerned. Quite possible to decide that you believe in a Christian God or all powerful being without any deep knowledge of the Bible anyway. If those beliefs encourage you to live a good life according to natural law, then their can't be too much wrong with that!

My point about extremists etc was that they usually have their own plans to follow for their own reasons which are not necessarily what the religion they profess to follow would advocate. They are happy to use that religion to influence its followers to do what they want them to do in order to further their own ambitions. Suicide bombers are the strongest example of course!

Les

Tidgy

yep, relgion just used as a conveniance

RobJenks

I had a conversation today with a yank and he reckons there is no way this mosque will be built as the Teamsters have instructed all its members not to work on building.
So these muslims will have to finf another site to develop.

Leslie

As I said, It will cause Obama a great deal of trouble.

Les

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN-F4

Angry mob mistaking a black man for a muslim. This is what kind of mindset Obama has to deal with.

The Zohan

Not everybody thinks (if you can call that thinking) or acts like that - otherwise that Muslim luvving niggra would never have made it to president now would he

The proposed site is in the middle of the financial district, no other religious/places of worship stand in this area as people go there to work and not to pray. It seems a little odd that there is sudden a need to build one considering its proximity to ground zero and its location in the financial district.
This is not a residential area.

Terminator X

iTrader: (7)

Build it elsewhere then? The developer / owner / whatever has been offered another site & turned it down ...

Rumour is that it will open on 10th anniversary of the bombing

TX.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Terminator X, where did you see/hear that? Because I don't believe it for a second.