Obama defends right to build mosque near 9/11 site
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It is true that many religions profess to explain the meaning of text which might be difficult to understand properly.
It seems to me that the extremists are not so interested in the actual religion as much as what they can gain personally by their actions and their use of the peoples' beliefs in respect to the religion to persuade them to follow their requests to the people.
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It seems to me that the extremists are not so interested in the actual religion as much as what they can gain personally by their actions and their use of the peoples' beliefs in respect to the religion to persuade them to follow their requests to the people.
Les
i think its more that alot of religous text's totaly contradict themselves. im not reglious my my grandmother is very. even she says the bibble does this in places.
i agree 100% that allot of extreamists and fanatics pick and choose to make their views correct. Most of them seem to have been kicked out of the mainstream due to it.
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I still find it odd that people assume that those who oppose the mosque are branded as radicals or fundamentalists. However, this seems to be the way of the world, anyone who opposes or stands against xy or z is branded as such with a view to maginalising their opinions and shutting them up.
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The' radicals' blowing each other in Iraq anyway are local factions fighting an age old war for turf - Theyve nothing to gain from belowing westerners up in the west !
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This is what they put, I just copied it from one of their status
If you think that putting up a mosque 600 ft from ground zero and having the inauguration on the anniversary of 9/11 is immoral, inhuman and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day and their survivors and that politicians are doing a grave injustice... to the fallen heroes, their families... ............and all the people of NYC, THEN PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO YOUR WALL12 hours ago
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lol, nothing like getting things of your chest is there.
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Perhaps the answer is to build a church, synagogue, mosques and assorted temples, maybe even a mini stone henge (for the pagans), that way no one can be accused of being unfair.
Only this does leave the atheists hanging, what do you do to please all???
Only this does leave the atheists hanging, what do you do to please all???
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If you think that putting up a mosque 600 ft from ground zero and having the inauguration on the anniversary of 9/11 is immoral, inhuman and a complete lack of respect for the memories of all that perished on that day and their survivors and that politicians are doing a grave injustice... to the fallen heroes, their families... ............and all the people of NYC, THEN PLEASE COPY AND PASTE THIS TO YOUR WALL12 hours ago
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http://www.national911memorial.org/s...ename=New_Home
Looks like someone beat me to it. The best thing all round really Religious building probably best left out.
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In america relgious rights are is in the fabric of the law, how can america consider itself a great and free nation if they do ban it?
Obama is just going by the american constitution, hes follwoing the laws of the land, simple realy
Obama is just going by the american constitution, hes follwoing the laws of the land, simple realy
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Obama is about the most unconstitutional president there's ever been. Honestly tidgy, the U.S.A has gone so far off course it's unbelievable. Although saying that, they did have slaves back then. The idea of the constitution was pretty much perfect except for the fact the 'rights' didn't seem to apply to Africans.
I'm sure one of the first presidents made it a crime punishable by death to create money that wasn't gold or silver... infact I'm sure it's in the constitution that money has to be backed by either silver or gold. Obviously that was done away with and the result is never ending inflation of worthless paper. That's just one aspect of the constitution that was trampled over, and there are loads more.
The likes of Thomas Jefferson said that every American had the right to believe whatever in whatever god they wanted, or even question the existence of a god.
I'm sure one of the first presidents made it a crime punishable by death to create money that wasn't gold or silver... infact I'm sure it's in the constitution that money has to be backed by either silver or gold. Obviously that was done away with and the result is never ending inflation of worthless paper. That's just one aspect of the constitution that was trampled over, and there are loads more.
The likes of Thomas Jefferson said that every American had the right to believe whatever in whatever god they wanted, or even question the existence of a god.
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Obama is about the most unconstitutional president there's ever been. Honestly tidgy, the U.S.A has gone so far off course it's unbelievable. Although saying that, they did have slaves back then. The idea of the constitution was pretty much perfect except for the fact the 'rights' didn't seem to apply to Africans.
I'm sure one of the first presidents made it a crime punishable by death to create money that wasn't gold or silver... infact I'm sure it's in the constitution that money has to be backed by either silver or gold. Obviously that was done away with and the result is never ending inflation of worthless paper. That's just one aspect of the constitution that was trampled over, and there are loads more.
The likes of Thomas Jefferson said that every American had the right to believe whatever in whatever god they wanted, or even question the existence of a god.
I'm sure one of the first presidents made it a crime punishable by death to create money that wasn't gold or silver... infact I'm sure it's in the constitution that money has to be backed by either silver or gold. Obviously that was done away with and the result is never ending inflation of worthless paper. That's just one aspect of the constitution that was trampled over, and there are loads more.
The likes of Thomas Jefferson said that every American had the right to believe whatever in whatever god they wanted, or even question the existence of a god.
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I think some perspective is needed here:
http://allamusing.com/post/962447502...amic-center-ny
Lets remember people, this isn't even at Ground Zero.
http://allamusing.com/post/962447502...amic-center-ny
Lets remember people, this isn't even at Ground Zero.
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Those bloody insensitive Muslims eh !
What, with the Americans pussyfooting around the world, keeping themselves to themselves, never offending anybody......
What is a reasonable distance from "Ground Zero" to build a Mosque, seeign as it is hallowed ground know, I assume no Muslims will be allowed entry to the new World Trade Centre based on this ?
Not that the Muslims are any better, take a look at the road to Mecca, us Infidels arent allowed to proceed to Mecca, whether we want to play Bingo or not...
What, with the Americans pussyfooting around the world, keeping themselves to themselves, never offending anybody......
What is a reasonable distance from "Ground Zero" to build a Mosque, seeign as it is hallowed ground know, I assume no Muslims will be allowed entry to the new World Trade Centre based on this ?
Not that the Muslims are any better, take a look at the road to Mecca, us Infidels arent allowed to proceed to Mecca, whether we want to play Bingo or not...
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I think some perspective is needed here:
http://allamusing.com/post/962447502...amic-center-ny
Lets remember people, this isn't even at Ground Zero.
http://allamusing.com/post/962447502...amic-center-ny
Lets remember people, this isn't even at Ground Zero.
This response on there had me chuckling
Before 911 I lived in Thailand, it was pretty apparent Muslims hated us and blamed everything on us. A bi product of 0 education and a century old cast system. When 911 happened my dad and I said they need to level the frikin place nuke em or thousands would die. America's rediculous hypersensitivity to racism caused this. Thousands dead now their giving us the finger. You asked for it stupid america, I go to school with idians their not all bad but most of them are.
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It is a shame that the Muslims don't worship animals like the Hindu religion. That way you could build what you like, and just put a cattle shed on top.
Hence no more blowing up buildings.
Our troops could ride cows around Afghanistan, and you would have no more mines.
Life would be simple
Hence no more blowing up buildings.
Our troops could ride cows around Afghanistan, and you would have no more mines.
Life would be simple
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i think its more that alot of religous text's totaly contradict themselves. im not reglious my my grandmother is very. even she says the bibble does this in places.
i agree 100% that allot of extreamists and fanatics pick and choose to make their views correct. Most of them seem to have been kicked out of the mainstream due to it.
i agree 100% that allot of extreamists and fanatics pick and choose to make their views correct. Most of them seem to have been kicked out of the mainstream due to it.
I agree about the contradictions you mention. That is down to whoever wrote those scriptures and than again whoever it was who translated them.
That does not mean that a religion is wrong in itself though. The religion generally interprets those writings into a form which is supposed to be something one can understand. Once again you have to depend on someone's interpretation of course. I think that Christians tend to use what the Bible says as a guide but use their particular religion as an example to live up to as far as their existence is concerned. Quite possible to decide that you believe in a Christian God or all powerful being without any deep knowledge of the Bible anyway. If those beliefs encourage you to live a good life according to natural law, then their can't be too much wrong with that!
My point about extremists etc was that they usually have their own plans to follow for their own reasons which are not necessarily what the religion they profess to follow would advocate. They are happy to use that religion to influence its followers to do what they want them to do in order to further their own ambitions. Suicide bombers are the strongest example of course!
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I agree about the contradictions you mention. That is down to whoever wrote those scriptures and than again whoever it was who translated them.
That does not mean that a religion is wrong in itself though. The religion generally interprets those writings into a form which is supposed to be something one can understand. Once again you have to depend on someone's interpretation of course. I think that Christians tend to use what the Bible says as a guide but use their particular religion as an example to live up to as far as their existence is concerned. Quite possible to decide that you believe in a Christian God or all powerful being without any deep knowledge of the Bible anyway. If those beliefs encourage you to live a good life according to natural law, then their can't be too much wrong with that!
My point about extremists etc was that they usually have their own plans to follow for their own reasons which are not necessarily what the religion they profess to follow would advocate. They are happy to use that religion to influence its followers to do what they want them to do in order to further their own ambitions. Suicide bombers are the strongest example of course!
Les
That does not mean that a religion is wrong in itself though. The religion generally interprets those writings into a form which is supposed to be something one can understand. Once again you have to depend on someone's interpretation of course. I think that Christians tend to use what the Bible says as a guide but use their particular religion as an example to live up to as far as their existence is concerned. Quite possible to decide that you believe in a Christian God or all powerful being without any deep knowledge of the Bible anyway. If those beliefs encourage you to live a good life according to natural law, then their can't be too much wrong with that!
My point about extremists etc was that they usually have their own plans to follow for their own reasons which are not necessarily what the religion they profess to follow would advocate. They are happy to use that religion to influence its followers to do what they want them to do in order to further their own ambitions. Suicide bombers are the strongest example of course!
Les
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I had a conversation today with a yank and he reckons there is no way this mosque will be built as the Teamsters have instructed all its members not to work on building.
So these muslims will have to finf another site to develop.
So these muslims will have to finf another site to develop.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN-F4
Angry mob mistaking a black man for a muslim. This is what kind of mindset Obama has to deal with.
Angry mob mistaking a black man for a muslim. This is what kind of mindset Obama has to deal with.
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EwaNRWMN-F4
Angry mob mistaking a black man for a muslim. This is what kind of mindset Obama has to deal with.
Angry mob mistaking a black man for a muslim. This is what kind of mindset Obama has to deal with.
The proposed site is in the middle of the financial district, no other religious/places of worship stand in this area as people go there to work and not to pray. It seems a little odd that there is sudden a need to build one considering its proximity to ground zero and its location in the financial district.
This is not a residential area.
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I think some perspective is needed here:
http://allamusing.com/post/962447502...amic-center-ny
Lets remember people, this isn't even at Ground Zero.
http://allamusing.com/post/962447502...amic-center-ny
Lets remember people, this isn't even at Ground Zero.
Rumour is that it will open on 10th anniversary of the bombing
TX.