Leslie

That would be taking the **** then!

Les

L.J.F

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I think it's a great idea to let the Derka- Derka build a mosque within spitting distance of ground zero! It might even be worth a wager on how long it will last too

Alarmeng

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Fooking **** take if you ask me :-)

But then again cant see that happening.

L.J.F

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I can only imagine how many pig's heads they will find on the doorstep every morning lol.

Martin2005

http://www.thedailyshow.com/full-epi...nnifer-aniston

Anyone who actually cares about the REAL issues at stake here, and the political games being played should watch this brilliantly funny and cutting episode on John Stewarts Daily Show!

With added Jennifer Aniston so all tastes are catered for

Mus

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people need to research 9/11 I'm Muslim that prays my five times a day and not in a million years would such a thought would cross my mind..... there's lots of programmes about it all over the net and these programmes were done by none muslims. people need to see both sides of the story and look at it from a diffrent views and then cast an opinion.

Mus

tony de wonderful

What other side of the story? You mean tin foil hat 'truther' 'documentaries' that say it was a conspiracy by Bush?

You are in denial.

Mus

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just cause bush says doesn't mean I must believe everything he says. I have an open mind I watch all types of ducumentries I watched an intresting one about money recently on how the banking system works and it went to show me how sly they really are. there's are the propel that lie how can you believe politicians they are the biggest liers. how often do you hear then promising better schools safer streets and by the looks of things everything seems together worse. so sorry I don't trust anyone in politics.

tony de wonderful

What is your point?

Who carried out 9/11? The madrid bombings? USS Cole? London 7/7?

Were the crowds celebrating 9/11 on streets in parts of the Islamic world planted by the CIA?

hodgy0_2

you may mock - but a lot of Americans believe in the conspiracy theories around 9/11

in fact 1 in 5 believe Obama is a Muslim (not too bad considering half of them think humans had dinosaurs as pets)

and believe it or not a lot of Americans are under the impression a Mosque is being built on ground zero

The Zohan

Where do these 'facts' come from???

Apart from Fred Flintstone i am pretty sure most educated people realise that dinosaurs do not make good pets.

The UK has its own fair share of dipsh1t uneducated chav-scum who dropped out of school and decent society i do hope this is not how or what the UK is seen as and judged on.

As i pointed out why is there a need to build a mosque in the middle of the financial district? it is purely a workplace not residential or social. Most offices, hospitals, schools these days have dedicated prayer rooms and, as many Muslims admit you do not need to pray in a Mosque it can be done anywhere - not that many mosques in the middle of a desert or on a plane as examples and the Koran makes allowances for this

I understand that Muslims died in 911 (not just the cowardly terrorist scum) and sensibly no one has seen or felt the need to build any other religious buildings on or near this site since 911. This is not about religion If Obama wants to make it about religion then he is opening a whole can of worms and rubbing some salt into the wound that is 911.

It still a sensitive subject to a lot of Americans regardless of religious beliefs seems an insensitive act.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Of course this is about religion, Freedom of Religion specifically, one of the founding principles the USA was built on, and most free-thinking non-media-brainwashed citizens value this principle above even 9/11 and the knee-jerk reactions surrounding it.

Plus, I know plenty of Muslims at my workplace in London who use a mosque during work hours.

The Zohan

So making a point like this, which, given the sensitivity of the subject will upset and anger a lot of everyday people (not the right or left wingers) is OK to do then in the name of religion . This really brings us back to religion being the root of most things evil - seems a stupid point to make especially here and now.

And your Muslim friends what do they do if there isn't a mosque nearby? kick up a hell of a stink and complain about being persecuted for not having a nearby mosque? I do somehow doubt it. As i already said the Koran makes allowances. Praying is not about the building you do it in, it is about what is in your heart.

Having worked on a Muslim country for a year or so and with many Muslims funnily enough they managed to meet their responsibilities to Allah, work etc without needing to go to the mosque for each 'salah' i think is the right expression.
It would be a bit of a pita if the Muslim operating team left their patient on the table during a heart swap to go pray don't you think? Nothing wrong with being free thinking as long as you do understand the responsibilities that o along with it.

Sadly the Americans have gone down the path of knowing all their rights but ignoring pretty much all their responsibilities. Their constitution perhaps needs looking at and updating a little given its age and the circumstances that it was written. Not all but some of it perhaps.

Remember - just because you can do something doesn't necessarily mean you should - Rights and Responsibilities!

Martin2005

So if it's about sensitivity I would expect a similar outrage next time someone tries to build a Catholic Church within half a mile of a school!

The Zohan

I would think twice about sending the priest along to the school perhaps

ALi-B

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Doesn't work:

Typical British hating Americans

(I take it that where Martin lives/works isn't considered as part of the UK )

The Zohan

Not sure it is even the same planet Ali

Martin2005

No I watched it on More 4 last week.

I didn't realise there was a prob with us Brits viewing it.

Shame because it really is a brilliant piece and utterly disarms most of the arguments against this proposed Mosque / Community Centre

If ythere is someone on here who know where to find these things, it was The Daily Show dated the 8/9 (or the 19th August in English)

Leslie

There are certainly some peculiarities about the twin towers collapse and also the adjacent tower which also conveniently collapsed. Enough to generate some thought about the whole thing.

Mus appears to be a devout Muslim and underlines the fact that his religion would not support such terrorist acts anyway.

How far would you trust Bush and his administration.

A bit of honest research on your part might obviate the risk of you being in denial yourself.

Les

Mus

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after watching a documentary called zeitgeist addendum it give you a clear insight in to how this whole bakinging system works ect...

Muslims can pray anywhere clean.

Terminator X

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I read it in the Mail at w/end.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/ar...y-goodbye.html

TX.

hodgy0_2

http://www.watoday.com.au/breaking-n...819-12j8f.html

http://www.newsmax.com/InsideCover/U...8/18/id/367866

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2004/...in657083.shtml

http://www.straightdope.com/columns/...-000-years-old

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/...-111826-4947r/

and below is a museum dedicated to it, where you can watch in wonder, children in biblical times playing with pet velociraptors


http://creationmuseum.org/

oh and it's not a Mosque either

tony de wonderful

'Some thought' is not the same as adopting a narrative where the CIA did the whole thing. Put anything under a microscope and some things show up...to take them and amplify them into a conspirisy is another.

I don't trust Bush but do I believe that 9/11 was carried out by Islamist terrorists just because 'Bush said'? No that would be stupid. All the evidence suggests that is true though, if simplily for the fact that a CIA conspiracy would require an impossibly perfect execution to cover up. The government and CIA is no omnipotent.

tony de wonderful

I don't trust Politicians but I trust those who play politics by saying the Politicians can't be trusted even less. The Islamists are demagouges and I trust them even less. Shame you seem to have adopted their demagougery.

urban

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I think the quote that said "muslims can build a mosque at Ground Zero in New York when we can build a synagogue in Mecca" explains all.

ReallyReallyGoodMeat

Err, you're saying that the USA should be using Saudi Arabia as a barometer of religious freedom?

lol ok

Leslie

But have you seen all the evidence, what happened to the aircraft wreckage at the Pentagon site? Why did the CIA confiscate the CCTV from that garage just after the "crash" Did you see the individual explosions in the towers just before they collapsed? Why did the tower containing sensitive information by the twin towers collapse when it was not hit by anything?

I advise you to research it all with an open mind instead of blindly accepting what you have been told..

Les

hodgy0_2

Leslie -- all the evidence is there

The eyewitness accounts of people seeing the plane hit the pentagon

the photo's of wreckage etc etc

but what "truther" nutters do is pick one piece of evidence, lets say it is the fact that their is no cartoon like plane shaped hole in the building - one piece of "unexplained" fact -- amongst the million others they just ignore (lets be honest it would be odd if we could explain 100% of it anyway) and they blow it out of all proportion and make a "controversy" out of it

then they "teach the controversy" but their is none, none, it really is that simple


most of these people believe that the night sky is just a canopy of lights 200 miles above the earth surface - ffs

how can you convince these idiots -- the fact is you can't

Leslie

Well I am not saying one way or the other, but what happened to the wreckage? no engines no wings etc. No pics from the cctv. It just seems odd to me.

Les

hodgy0_2

and THAT's the problem -- their is no "one way or the other"

A plane (boeing) hit the pentagon -- all the evidence points to it (the photos, the eye witnesses, the phyisics)

but they have "got" you, because you believe their is a "controversy" over it les

their is none, a plane hit the Pentagon, anything else and you may as well believe in fairy tales (i,m not saying it wasn't flown by John Travolta though)

it is like me stating "I am not saying one way or the other whether Never Never Land exists" -- it doesn't exist, their is no "one way or the other" about it -- that is giving the statement some credibility and making out that to deny the existence of never never land is in some way controversial - it isn't, or is it?

http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread79655/pg1

http://www.snopes.com/rumors/pentagon.asp