Rottweilers Strike Again....
31 August 2010, 10:02 AM
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Selecting one breed to be ignorant, irrational and hysterical about is like blaming cars for running over kids, getting shot down, THEN showing pictures of run over kids to back up your hysteria, and then blaming it mainly on fords, as more people get run over by fords. With some clever fckers stating that they will buy an extra dangerous death race 2000 car with spikes and **** on the front.
People own dogs, always have and always will, it's a fact of life, deal with it. People intentially or otherwise, cause psychological problems in their animal, or deliberately select a particular breed to extend their damaged personality on to, this is when the 1 in a million disaster happens, when feckwits are responsible for the safety of others....car, animal, whatever, the outcome is the same. People get hurt or worse, dogs will not be banned, cars will not be banned. No matter how hysterical, ignorant and misinformed people are.
People own dogs, always have and always will, it's a fact of life, deal with it. People intentially or otherwise, cause psychological problems in their animal, or deliberately select a particular breed to extend their damaged personality on to, this is when the 1 in a million disaster happens, when feckwits are responsible for the safety of others....car, animal, whatever, the outcome is the same. People get hurt or worse, dogs will not be banned, cars will not be banned. No matter how hysterical, ignorant and misinformed people are.
31 August 2010, 10:56 AM
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Too late for its owners to be' licensed' , too late for next 6 months at least
Good thing its nearly always the lower rung of specimens that get munched
Good thing its nearly always the lower rung of specimens that get munched
31 August 2010, 11:03 AM
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Selecting one breed to be ignorant, irrational and hysterical about is like blaming cars for running over kids, getting shot down, THEN showing pictures of run over kids to back up your hysteria, and then blaming it mainly on fords, as more people get run over by fords. With some clever fckers stating that they will buy an extra dangerous death race 2000 car with spikes and **** on the front.
People own dogs, always have and always will, it's a fact of life, deal with it. People intentially or otherwise, cause psychological problems in their animal, or deliberately select a particular breed to extend their damaged personality on to, this is when the 1 in a million disaster happens, when feckwits are responsible for the safety of others....car, animal, whatever, the outcome is the same. People get hurt or worse, dogs will not be banned, cars will not be banned. No matter how hysterical, ignorant and misinformed people are.
People own dogs, always have and always will, it's a fact of life, deal with it. People intentially or otherwise, cause psychological problems in their animal, or deliberately select a particular breed to extend their damaged personality on to, this is when the 1 in a million disaster happens, when feckwits are responsible for the safety of others....car, animal, whatever, the outcome is the same. People get hurt or worse, dogs will not be banned, cars will not be banned. No matter how hysterical, ignorant and misinformed people are.
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Let's have a look at the breed standard
Originally Posted by The Kennel Club
Rottweiler
THESE DOGS STEM FROM ANIMALS TAKEN to Germany by Roman soldiers as they marched across Europe, and were used to guard livestock. These mastiff-type dogs were discarded as the cattle were eaten or were left to guard outposts and many finished up in Switzerland while others reached southern Germany. They were especially known around the town of Rottweil which for 1,800 years was a centre for livestock trading. The evolving dog became a butcher’s dog, drover and draught dog.
The Rottweiler, which first appeared in Britain in 1936 and was shown at Crufts in 1937, is an above average-sized, very agile, black and tan dog. Extremely strong and imposing, he is easily obedience-trained and is, in fact, a dog that enjoys working. He has natural guarding instincts, but is not vicious by nature. His expression is tranquil and kind, but when aroused he will hold his own with any opponent. He is not a dog for the inexperienced and has been much maligned in recent years, when the breed became over-popular, and Rottweilers were often purchased to feed a macho image.
He is a very active dog who needs plenty of exercise and his smooth coat only requires short periods of regular grooming to keep it in the desired shining condition.
Breed Group Working
Vulnerable Breed No
Size Large
How much exercise? 2 hours a day or more
Length of coat Short
How much grooming? Once a week
Supposedly sheds?* Yes
Town or Country Either
Type of home Large House
Minimum Garden Size Large
General Appearance
Above average size, stalwart dog. Correctly proportioned, compact and powerful form, permitting great strength, manoeuvrability and endurance.
Characteristics
Appearance displays boldness and courage. Self-assured and fearless. Calm gaze should indicate good humour.
Temperament
Good natured, not nervous, aggressive or vicious; courageous, biddable, with natural guarding instincts.
Head and Skull
Head medium length, skull broad between ears. Forehead moderately arched as seen from side. Occipital bone well developed but not conspicuous. Cheeks well boned and muscled but not prominent. Skin on head not loose, although it may form a moderate wrinkle when attentive. Muzzle fairly deep with topline level, and length of muzzle in relation to distance from well defined stop to occiput to be as 2 to 3. Nose well developed with proportionately large nostrils, always black.
Eyes
Medium size, almond-shaped, dark brown in colour, light eye undesirable, eyelids close fitting.
Ears
Pendant, small in proportion rather than large, set high and wide apart, lying flat and close to cheek.
Mouth
Teeth strong, complete dentition with scissor bite, i.e. upper teeth closely overlapping lower teeth and set square to the jaws. Flews black and firm, falling gradually away towards corners of mouth, which do not protrude excessively.
Neck
Of fair length, strong, round and very muscular. Slightly arched, free from throatiness.
Forequarters
Shoulders well laid back, long and sloping, elbows well let down, but not loose. Legs straight, muscular, with plenty of bone and substance. Pasterns sloping slightly forward.
Body
Chest roomy, broad and deep with well sprung ribs. Depth of brisket will not be more, and not much less than 50 per cent of shoulder height. Back straight, strong and not too long, ratio of shoulder height to length of body should be as 9 is to 10, loins short, strong and deep, flanks not tucked up. Croup of proportionate length, and broad, very slightly sloping.
Hindquarters
Upper thigh not too short, broad and strongly muscled. Lower thigh well muscled at top, strong and sinewy below. Stifles fairly well bent. Hocks well angulated without exaggeration, metatarsals not completely vertical. Strength and soundness of hock highly desirable.
Feet
Strong, round and compact with toes well arched. Hindfeet somewhat longer than front. Pads very hard, toenails short, dark and strong.
Tail
Previously customarily docked.
Docked: Docked at first joint. Strong and not set too low. Normally carried horizontally but slightly above horizontal when dog is alert.
Undocked: Strong and not set too low. Normally carried horizontally but slightly above horizontal when dog is alert. May hang when dog is at rest.
Gait/Movement
Conveys an impression of supple strength, endurance and purpose. While back remains firm and stable there is a powerful hindthrust and good stride. First and foremost, movement should be harmonious, positive and unrestricted.
Coat
Consists of top coat and undercoat. Top coat is of medium length, coarse and flat. Undercoat, essential on the neck and thighs, should not show through top coat. Hair may also be a little longer on the back of the forelegs and breechings. Long or excessively wavy coat highly undesirable.
Colour
Black with clearly defined markings as follows: a spot over each eye, on cheeks, as a strip around each side of muzzle, but not on bridge of nose, on throat, two clear triangles on either side of the breast bone, on forelegs from carpus downward to toes, on inside of rear legs from hock to toes, but not completely eliminating black from back of legs, under tail. Colour of markings from rich tan to mahogany and should not exceed 10 per cent of body colour. White marking is highly undesirable. Black pencil markings on toes are desirable. Undercoat is grey, fawn, or black.
Size
Dogs height at shoulder: between 63-69 cms (25-27 ins); bitches between 58-64 cms (23-25 ins). Height should always be considered in relation to general appearance.
THESE DOGS STEM FROM ANIMALS TAKEN to Germany by Roman soldiers as they marched across Europe, and were used to guard livestock. These mastiff-type dogs were discarded as the cattle were eaten or were left to guard outposts and many finished up in Switzerland while others reached southern Germany. They were especially known around the town of Rottweil which for 1,800 years was a centre for livestock trading. The evolving dog became a butcher’s dog, drover and draught dog.
The Rottweiler, which first appeared in Britain in 1936 and was shown at Crufts in 1937, is an above average-sized, very agile, black and tan dog. Extremely strong and imposing, he is easily obedience-trained and is, in fact, a dog that enjoys working. He has natural guarding instincts, but is not vicious by nature. His expression is tranquil and kind, but when aroused he will hold his own with any opponent. He is not a dog for the inexperienced and has been much maligned in recent years, when the breed became over-popular, and Rottweilers were often purchased to feed a macho image.
He is a very active dog who needs plenty of exercise and his smooth coat only requires short periods of regular grooming to keep it in the desired shining condition.
Breed Group Working
Vulnerable Breed No
Size Large
How much exercise? 2 hours a day or more
Length of coat Short
How much grooming? Once a week
Supposedly sheds?* Yes
Town or Country Either
Type of home Large House
Minimum Garden Size Large
General Appearance
Above average size, stalwart dog. Correctly proportioned, compact and powerful form, permitting great strength, manoeuvrability and endurance.
Characteristics
Appearance displays boldness and courage. Self-assured and fearless. Calm gaze should indicate good humour.
Temperament
Good natured, not nervous, aggressive or vicious; courageous, biddable, with natural guarding instincts.
Head and Skull
Head medium length, skull broad between ears. Forehead moderately arched as seen from side. Occipital bone well developed but not conspicuous. Cheeks well boned and muscled but not prominent. Skin on head not loose, although it may form a moderate wrinkle when attentive. Muzzle fairly deep with topline level, and length of muzzle in relation to distance from well defined stop to occiput to be as 2 to 3. Nose well developed with proportionately large nostrils, always black.
Eyes
Medium size, almond-shaped, dark brown in colour, light eye undesirable, eyelids close fitting.
Ears
Pendant, small in proportion rather than large, set high and wide apart, lying flat and close to cheek.
Mouth
Teeth strong, complete dentition with scissor bite, i.e. upper teeth closely overlapping lower teeth and set square to the jaws. Flews black and firm, falling gradually away towards corners of mouth, which do not protrude excessively.
Neck
Of fair length, strong, round and very muscular. Slightly arched, free from throatiness.
Forequarters
Shoulders well laid back, long and sloping, elbows well let down, but not loose. Legs straight, muscular, with plenty of bone and substance. Pasterns sloping slightly forward.
Body
Chest roomy, broad and deep with well sprung ribs. Depth of brisket will not be more, and not much less than 50 per cent of shoulder height. Back straight, strong and not too long, ratio of shoulder height to length of body should be as 9 is to 10, loins short, strong and deep, flanks not tucked up. Croup of proportionate length, and broad, very slightly sloping.
Hindquarters
Upper thigh not too short, broad and strongly muscled. Lower thigh well muscled at top, strong and sinewy below. Stifles fairly well bent. Hocks well angulated without exaggeration, metatarsals not completely vertical. Strength and soundness of hock highly desirable.
Feet
Strong, round and compact with toes well arched. Hindfeet somewhat longer than front. Pads very hard, toenails short, dark and strong.
Tail
Previously customarily docked.
Docked: Docked at first joint. Strong and not set too low. Normally carried horizontally but slightly above horizontal when dog is alert.
Undocked: Strong and not set too low. Normally carried horizontally but slightly above horizontal when dog is alert. May hang when dog is at rest.
Gait/Movement
Conveys an impression of supple strength, endurance and purpose. While back remains firm and stable there is a powerful hindthrust and good stride. First and foremost, movement should be harmonious, positive and unrestricted.
Coat
Consists of top coat and undercoat. Top coat is of medium length, coarse and flat. Undercoat, essential on the neck and thighs, should not show through top coat. Hair may also be a little longer on the back of the forelegs and breechings. Long or excessively wavy coat highly undesirable.
Colour
Black with clearly defined markings as follows: a spot over each eye, on cheeks, as a strip around each side of muzzle, but not on bridge of nose, on throat, two clear triangles on either side of the breast bone, on forelegs from carpus downward to toes, on inside of rear legs from hock to toes, but not completely eliminating black from back of legs, under tail. Colour of markings from rich tan to mahogany and should not exceed 10 per cent of body colour. White marking is highly undesirable. Black pencil markings on toes are desirable. Undercoat is grey, fawn, or black.
Size
Dogs height at shoulder: between 63-69 cms (25-27 ins); bitches between 58-64 cms (23-25 ins). Height should always be considered in relation to general appearance.
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31 August 2010, 11:57 AM
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Religion, Politics and now it seems Dogs.
You will not change the opinion of somebody on dogs.
Those that love or have them will defend them and come out with any bollocks to defend them, and those that want nothing to do with them will state all manner of reasons and highlight attacks.
Humans do kill more than dogs, we tend to put humans in jail or something similar, if its on a bigger scale then we sometimes try them for warcrimes or genecide.
Rotts, Staffs and any other dog you care to claim are super ****ing child friendly can have their nature influenced by bad owners, however they do have a threshold, like it or not, that they can be caused to cross, at which point they become master of their own action.
This is regardless of the best breeding, training and education available.
At this point a dog can attack and can cause injury, maiming or worse.
Any dog can be provoked to atatck and hence have the ability to kill, therefore they need to be controlled.
I am sick to the back teeth of going into my local park and seeing people with dogs off leads when I want to take my Son to the swings to play.
Fluffy may well not harm a soul, but he can go on not harming a soul in your extra large back garden, if you can't self contain with an animal then by definition you are impacting on the lives of others and therefore you fail massively as a pet owner.
Chichester has the right idea, dogs are banned from priory park full stop.
You will not change the opinion of somebody on dogs.
Those that love or have them will defend them and come out with any bollocks to defend them, and those that want nothing to do with them will state all manner of reasons and highlight attacks.
Humans do kill more than dogs, we tend to put humans in jail or something similar, if its on a bigger scale then we sometimes try them for warcrimes or genecide.
Rotts, Staffs and any other dog you care to claim are super ****ing child friendly can have their nature influenced by bad owners, however they do have a threshold, like it or not, that they can be caused to cross, at which point they become master of their own action.
This is regardless of the best breeding, training and education available.
At this point a dog can attack and can cause injury, maiming or worse.
Any dog can be provoked to atatck and hence have the ability to kill, therefore they need to be controlled.
I am sick to the back teeth of going into my local park and seeing people with dogs off leads when I want to take my Son to the swings to play.
Fluffy may well not harm a soul, but he can go on not harming a soul in your extra large back garden, if you can't self contain with an animal then by definition you are impacting on the lives of others and therefore you fail massively as a pet owner.
Chichester has the right idea, dogs are banned from priory park full stop.
31 August 2010, 11:58 AM
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I must admit, thought I am keen to not pick on any one breed I am wary of Rottweilers, used to do a paper round and there was one that used to throw itself at the six ft high gates of its owners house, I dont doubt that if it had got out I would have been in big trouble, used to forget and walk past and it made me **** myself on a regular basis !
Also, a mate of mine had one, was chatting to him, me sat in the car and the bloody thing tried to have a go at me through the window of the car, was funny as he wouldnt say boo to a goose but used to parade round with this thing, his whole demanour changed when he has "Sunny" with him, from wary big girls blouse to hard man about town. Another lad at school used to get bullied a bit, bit of a Billy Liar but a nice enough lad, used to take some stick, saw him a few years after (j4ckos mate knows him as he tried to shark his missus !) and he had done loads of martial arts and bought a Rottweiler, again parading round with an air of "dont f*ck with me".
So, my experience of Rottweilers is being lunged at and them being owned by two blokes who were compensating a little, unfair, maybe but I think a lot of it goes on.
Also, a mate of mine had one, was chatting to him, me sat in the car and the bloody thing tried to have a go at me through the window of the car, was funny as he wouldnt say boo to a goose but used to parade round with this thing, his whole demanour changed when he has "Sunny" with him, from wary big girls blouse to hard man about town. Another lad at school used to get bullied a bit, bit of a Billy Liar but a nice enough lad, used to take some stick, saw him a few years after (j4ckos mate knows him as he tried to shark his missus !) and he had done loads of martial arts and bought a Rottweiler, again parading round with an air of "dont f*ck with me".
So, my experience of Rottweilers is being lunged at and them being owned by two blokes who were compensating a little, unfair, maybe but I think a lot of it goes on.
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Les no disrespect intended(in fact quite the opposite) but have you had any experience of rotties at all? Same goes for the O.P. as well.
If you had you would realise that they are as a breed gentle giants that will take massive provocation before even reacting-unfortunatly they are also doting on their owners so if said owners want them 'tough' they will do it just to please.
The problem also is that they are powerful so when they bite they can potentialy do a lot of damage especially on a child.
Another major problem is that a rottie or other powerful dog bite will make the news other 'mainstream' dogs will not.
suprising link(mind you i always remember a right nasty sausage dog that lived in my street when i was a little 'un) http://www.dogbiteclaims.co.uk/dog-a...ive-breed.html
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If you had you would realise that they are as a breed gentle giants that will take massive provocation before even reacting-unfortunatly they are also doting on their owners so if said owners want them 'tough' they will do it just to please.
The problem also is that they are powerful so when they bite they can potentialy do a lot of damage especially on a child.
Another major problem is that a rottie or other powerful dog bite will make the news other 'mainstream' dogs will not.
suprising link(mind you i always remember a right nasty sausage dog that lived in my street when i was a little 'un) http://www.dogbiteclaims.co.uk/dog-a...ive-breed.html
cheers richie
cheers richie
As an animal lover if I see a Rottie somewhere or any dog for that matter, I am inclined to approach it slowly and let it sniff the back of my hand. I find I can then give it a bit of a stroke and a gentle pat and it doesn't mind a bit. I have found that approach works with about any dog.
If for some reason that dog had got wound up and was looking for trouble I would make myself scarce!
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If you have been to some 3rd world places where wild packs of dogs roam the streets you will see how dogs are in a 'natural' state.
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How many of these dogs are bought for £100 and bred with his sister for instance or mated with another breed. Rottie/alsation etc
I have bought my dogs from top breeders who pride themselves on there animals and wouldnt sell 1 to some-1 who they thought wasnt right for the dog and i kid you not.
My last Rottie cost £800 and was worth every penny, where the above breed standard is quoted is what your paying for imho.
I have bought my dogs from top breeders who pride themselves on there animals and wouldnt sell 1 to some-1 who they thought wasnt right for the dog and i kid you not.
My last Rottie cost £800 and was worth every penny, where the above breed standard is quoted is what your paying for imho.
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As an animal lover if I see a Rottie somewhere or any dog for that matter, I am inclined to approach it slowly and let it sniff the back of my hand. I find I can then give it a bit of a stroke and a gentle pat and it doesn't mind a bit. I have found that approach works with about any dog.
By lowering your hand to the dogs mouth and more importantly below his eye-line you're re-inforcing the fact there is no threat.
Only two dogs I was ever truly scared of. Ridge back: Met one in a previous job as a removal man. It was just dying to eat me. Now I love dogs always had them and know working dogs quite well but it was obvious all it needed was the nod from it's owner and I was dead. After I was in the house a while it calmed right down but it took a lot if ***** to put my hand down to it (owner almost insisted I did).
A rotty scared the **** out of me because it was sooo boisterous. It was my work mates and really massive. I realised later it was a big dosey lump but when it was jumping about almost out of control it's shear size made me wary. Again after knowing it I realised just how simple this dog was. It just wanted to sit on your foot for attention!
I agree with what was said about being dangerous as their nature. Most dogs are good natured and are turned by owners but they all have it in them to be killers.
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ffs, listen to your self, you're getting hysterical, do you really think that all dogs are testosterone soaked killers seeking to be the dominant male? How does that explain dog bites by bitches? are they oestrogen soaked killers seeking to become the dominant female? (How many cats do you own btw.)
31 August 2010, 04:54 PM
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I am sure that they are great Dogs, however formaiddable they are/may look but given the
public perception and the image issues, I would have to be absolutely faniatical about the breed to not just go for a less contentious one, ok I have never had a Rottweiler but I cant think that they are any different to any other dog, apart from having more potential capacity to cause injury if something does go wrong.
Our Dog is half Yorkshire Terrier, Half Poodle, looks like Gnasher from the Beano, he is bigger than you would expect, halfway between a Jack Russell and a Cocker Spaniel in size, could have gone bigger but thats what was on offer, he fulfils the Dog brief very well, barking, crapping, farting, digging, playing, entertaining etc and nobody crosses the road to avoid us or ****** their kids away in case he eats their faces, as with any Dog you have to supervise them with kids but his potential for damage is so much less, not to be underestimated as he has a fair old set of fangs like any Dog but the potential is miniscule in comparison.
It is a shame that its got to this stage as most responsible owners, like the owners of high performance cars treat them with respect but I suppose its like when Footballers get Ferraris when the clueless and irresponsible get powerful Dogs.
public perception and the image issues, I would have to be absolutely faniatical about the breed to not just go for a less contentious one, ok I have never had a Rottweiler but I cant think that they are any different to any other dog, apart from having more potential capacity to cause injury if something does go wrong.
Our Dog is half Yorkshire Terrier, Half Poodle, looks like Gnasher from the Beano, he is bigger than you would expect, halfway between a Jack Russell and a Cocker Spaniel in size, could have gone bigger but thats what was on offer, he fulfils the Dog brief very well, barking, crapping, farting, digging, playing, entertaining etc and nobody crosses the road to avoid us or ****** their kids away in case he eats their faces, as with any Dog you have to supervise them with kids but his potential for damage is so much less, not to be underestimated as he has a fair old set of fangs like any Dog but the potential is miniscule in comparison.
It is a shame that its got to this stage as most responsible owners, like the owners of high performance cars treat them with respect but I suppose its like when Footballers get Ferraris when the clueless and irresponsible get powerful Dogs.
31 August 2010, 04:54 PM
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I am sure that they are great Dogs, however formaiddable they are/may look but given the
public perception and the image issues, I would have to be absolutely faniatical about the breed to not just go for a less contentious one, ok I have never had a Rottweiler but I cant think that they are any different to any other dog, apart from having more potential capacity to cause injury if something does go wrong.
Our Dog is half Yorkshire Terrier, Half Poodle, looks like Gnasher from the Beano, he is bigger than you would expect, halfway between a Jack Russell and a Cocker Spaniel in size, could have gone bigger but thats what was on offer, he fulfils the Dog brief very well, barking, crapping, farting, digging, playing, entertaining etc and nobody crosses the road to avoid us or ****** their kids away in case he eats their faces, as with any Dog you have to supervise them with kids but his potential for damage is so much less, not to be underestimated as he has a fair old set of fangs like any Dog but the potential is miniscule in comparison.
It is a shame that its got to this stage as most responsible owners, like the owners of high performance cars treat them with respect but I suppose its like when Footballers get Ferraris when the clueless and irresponsible get powerful Dogs.
public perception and the image issues, I would have to be absolutely faniatical about the breed to not just go for a less contentious one, ok I have never had a Rottweiler but I cant think that they are any different to any other dog, apart from having more potential capacity to cause injury if something does go wrong.
Our Dog is half Yorkshire Terrier, Half Poodle, looks like Gnasher from the Beano, he is bigger than you would expect, halfway between a Jack Russell and a Cocker Spaniel in size, could have gone bigger but thats what was on offer, he fulfils the Dog brief very well, barking, crapping, farting, digging, playing, entertaining etc and nobody crosses the road to avoid us or ****** their kids away in case he eats their faces, as with any Dog you have to supervise them with kids but his potential for damage is so much less, not to be underestimated as he has a fair old set of fangs like any Dog but the potential is miniscule in comparison.
It is a shame that its got to this stage as most responsible owners, like the owners of high performance cars treat them with respect but I suppose its like when Footballers get Ferraris when the clueless and irresponsible get powerful Dogs.
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The great white is a half ton plus killing machine that has not had 2000 plus years of selective breeding and human dependance/masters to make it the dog it is(not the dog your own 'night terrors' make it)
You do know that lots of people a year are found dead on the pan?
Do you not poo to minimise risks either?
Oh hang on that would make you full of shi*e
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31 August 2010, 05:19 PM
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Saying all that, "Rottweilers Strike Again", is it they have bitten someone or are taking industrial action, perhaps they are just biting people who try to cross an official Picket ?
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So you were scared of the dog because you couldnt understand its actions,fair enough-rotts when they get a bit excited (especily if they think they are trying to make a new friend) pogo around like loonies bark lots and foam at the mouth a bit-heres a short vid of one of mine being playful trying to get one of my ferrets to play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZtVxjJsy4
this is genuine non agression btw so you can see how easy it is to misinterpret
They can be major attention seekers but the sitting on the feet is much better than the muzzle in the nads(option number 2 for a bit of love and attention) trust me
cheers richie
this is genuine non agression btw so you can see how easy it is to misinterpret
It was my work mates and really massive. I realised later it was a big dosey lump but when it was jumping about almost out of control it's shear size made me wary. Again after knowing it I realised just how simple this dog was. It just wanted to sit on your foot for attention!
cheers richie
31 August 2010, 06:35 PM
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They are not "dangerous by default"
31 August 2010, 06:48 PM
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Religion, Politics and now it seems Dogs.
You will not change the opinion of somebody on dogs.
Those that love or have them will defend them and come out with any bollocks to defend them, and those that want nothing to do with them will state all manner of reasons and highlight attacks.
Humans do kill more than dogs, we tend to put humans in jail or something similar, if its on a bigger scale then we sometimes try them for warcrimes or genecide.
Rotts, Staffs and any other dog you care to claim are super ****ing child friendly can have their nature influenced by bad owners, however they do have a threshold, like it or not, that they can be caused to cross, at which point they become master of their own action.
This is regardless of the best breeding, training and education available.
At this point a dog can attack and can cause injury, maiming or worse.
Any dog can be provoked to atatck and hence have the ability to kill, therefore they need to be controlled.
I am sick to the back teeth of going into my local park and seeing people with dogs off leads when I want to take my Son to the swings to play.
Fluffy may well not harm a soul, but he can go on not harming a soul in your extra large back garden, if you can't self contain with an animal then by definition you are impacting on the lives of others and therefore you fail massively as a pet owner.
Chichester has the right idea, dogs are banned from priory park full stop.
You will not change the opinion of somebody on dogs.
Those that love or have them will defend them and come out with any bollocks to defend them, and those that want nothing to do with them will state all manner of reasons and highlight attacks.
Humans do kill more than dogs, we tend to put humans in jail or something similar, if its on a bigger scale then we sometimes try them for warcrimes or genecide.
Rotts, Staffs and any other dog you care to claim are super ****ing child friendly can have their nature influenced by bad owners, however they do have a threshold, like it or not, that they can be caused to cross, at which point they become master of their own action.
This is regardless of the best breeding, training and education available.
At this point a dog can attack and can cause injury, maiming or worse.
Any dog can be provoked to atatck and hence have the ability to kill, therefore they need to be controlled.
I am sick to the back teeth of going into my local park and seeing people with dogs off leads when I want to take my Son to the swings to play.
Fluffy may well not harm a soul, but he can go on not harming a soul in your extra large back garden, if you can't self contain with an animal then by definition you are impacting on the lives of others and therefore you fail massively as a pet owner.
Chichester has the right idea, dogs are banned from priory park full stop.
If you insist on provoking a dog to the degree required to get the kind of response you are asserting any dog has then, frankly, you deserve to get eaten. Same applies for any animal.
I'm sure if I provoked you, to the degree it would take any of mine to attack you in what would be a purely and justifiably defensive state, that you would react in a similar way.
Or would you just roll over and have your tummy tickled?
31 August 2010, 06:51 PM
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Cars don't as far as I know, operate without human intervention. Humans as far I know have minds of their own (although Scoobynet sometimes suggests othewise)
The anaolgy is fine - although perhaps we could substitute modified hot hatches for Fords, to be more indicative of the "breed"
The anaolgy is fine - although perhaps we could substitute modified hot hatches for Fords, to be more indicative of the "breed"
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Another armchair expert with an agenda..sigh...
If you insist on provoking a dog to the degree required to get the kind of response you are asserting any dog has then, frankly, you deserve to get eaten. Same applies for any animal.
I'm sure if I provoked you, to the degree it would take any of mine to attack you in what would be a purely and justifiably defensive state, that you would react in a similar way.
Or would you just roll over and have your tummy tickled?
If you insist on provoking a dog to the degree required to get the kind of response you are asserting any dog has then, frankly, you deserve to get eaten. Same applies for any animal.
I'm sure if I provoked you, to the degree it would take any of mine to attack you in what would be a purely and justifiably defensive state, that you would react in a similar way.
Or would you just roll over and have your tummy tickled?
I wonder how much 'provoking' that little girl did while riding her bike home to deserve her savaging....
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31 August 2010, 06:56 PM
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So you were scared of the dog because you couldnt understand its actions,fair enough-rotts when they get a bit excited (especily if they think they are trying to make a new friend) pogo around like loonies bark lots and foam at the mouth a bit-heres a short vid of one of mine being playful trying to get one of my ferrets to play http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsZtVxjJsy4
this is genuine non agression btw so you can see how easy it is to misinterpret
They can be major attention seekers but the sitting on the feet is much better than the muzzle in the nads(option number 2 for a bit of love and attention) trust me
cheers richie
this is genuine non agression btw so you can see how easy it is to misinterpret
They can be major attention seekers but the sitting on the feet is much better than the muzzle in the nads(option number 2 for a bit of love and attention) trust me
cheers richie
And yet, hold on, if you freeze the frame at he right moment in the bark cycle you get a frenzied killer that you can post up on a BBS in support of your misguided view that all rottweilers are killers
31 August 2010, 06:57 PM
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