DCI Gene Hunt

So of course they're not vicious it's achieved by the cunning use of freeze frame.. Jesus H Christ

richieh

Indeed but almost everything has a degree of danger-Skiing and horseriding for example but not many call for them to be banned as they understand them-only the ignorant attempt to stereotype or ban-the OP being a classic example
cheers richie

Devildog

That's not what I said and also taken completely out of context.

Peanuts posted that all dogs can attack, maim and kill if provoked.

Try again, this time not twisting the comments to make them fit your own agenda. Or is that above your intellect?

jasey

The issue with rotties, ridgebacks, alsations etc isn't wether they are more or less likely to attack - it's the consequences caused when they do attack.

Can't remember the last time I saw a jack russell rip the face off an eight year old.

But as plenty of others have pointed out the primary cause of dog attacks is **** poor owners.

If I were in charge I'd have the owners put down then the dogs if they are past re-training

Devildog

Again, taken out of context. Are you being difficult, or are you just thick?

DCI Gene Hunt

The irony is that you're coming over as a stereotypical rottie owner - the "my dog wouldn't hurt a fly" type response

Ban all Rottweilers now.....

tony de wonderful

Dogs endanger others not just the owners, plus they intimidate and spoil public spaces.

They are anti-social.

DCI Gene Hunt

If thick means not keeping a killer dog around children then I'm happy to be "thick".... which would make you....

tony de wonderful

Report aggressive dogs and get 'em put down.

richieh

You know nothing about me but think I'm the stereotypical owner-well done
Perhaps as I fit your ideals you could describe your stereotypical rottie owner based on your own admited ignorance you stated above -not had a middle management(assuming you are that far in the career tree) appraisal in a while and I could do with a laugh.
cheers richie
ps might not reply till tomorrow mind if you take your time posting back-In work at silly o clock

Devildog

...content that my assessment was correct, given your complete lack of ability to grasp the point that at least 99.9% of Rotties (or staffies or any of the other maligned breeds) are not killer dogs.

I'll ask again - what first hand experience do you you have of the breed?

DCI Gene Hunt

Does being attacked by two count?

richieh

OK so you are afraid of dogs-some people are dont worry about it
No hard feelings didnt realize you had a irational fear of 'mans best friend'(or percieved enemy)
cheers richie

Bubba po

It seems to me that it's human nature to want to own things that are unsuitable. We buy performance cars whose potential can never be realised on the roads, despite the fact that few of us are rally drivers; we rattle around in Land Rover Defenders when the closest we get to a rutted lane is a clod of earth left on the road by a tractor; and we buy hulking great 12 stone dogs with a man-trap for a face that were bred to be working animals when we live in a one-room flat in Knottingley.

<---deserved

DCI Gene Hunt

"Mans best friend" doesn't like children a lot then?

Devildog

Evidence, or I call bull****

DCI Gene Hunt

"Evidence" why the **** should I , I've answered your question.... this isn't a court of law and I need prove nothing that's not already proved by reading the daily papers....

But let's stick our rottweiler biased fingers in our ears and dismiss the event because that "couldn't of really happened" not rottweilers.... surely

richieh

Thats one of them "f**k me forks" admittedly a quote from Coupling? bbc2 comedy-I can either say that mine love kids and are well known locally as we regularly take them up the village to socialize etc et, OR I can say they love kids but couldnt eat a full one in one go
either way,I'm guessing you are not going to let facts get in the way of a good trolling which is a shame as some of your posts are funny and well informed-its just a shame of late many of them are seeming to portray you as a sort of low rent PSL
cheers richie

DCI Gene Hunt

I say what I think rather than just say things to please people..... unfortunately I'm not agreeing with you and as such you're not appreciating it, shame you have to get all pathetic and call it trolling

DCI Gene Hunt

"low rent PSL" - Sorry Pete

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

Jesus how much of a **** do you want to make yourself look?
What agenda do you suppose I have?

We grew up with a KC rott, nobby for short so yes, thank you I have first hand experience of the breed.
You are blind to the facts because you perceive that you have the perfectly trained pet.
As are a lot of owners, good for you, I hope it works out, but as ill informed you think I am, I believe the same blindness have descended over your thinking.
Because you believe that we are all wrong does not by default make you right.

Have a big arsed double face palm on me

ODWOC

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Considering he quoted Gene and not you, I don't think the comment was aimed at you.

Anyway, all of you carry on arguing as you were.

Peanuts

iTrader: (15)

Please see the post that should have been quoted, and joinme in revelling in my abject laziness

Lisawrx

iTrader: (1)

Fair play, just remember if you are going to argue, quote the right bit.

Devildog

And yet apparently I can't see the wood for the trees.

Peanuts, I don't for one minute refuse to accept that certain dogs feature more frequently in incidences of injury to children.

But it f*cks me right off when someone with issues castigates an entire breed because of a few, and let's get this into perspective, a few "attacks".

Who knows whether Hunt was attacked by two savage dogs or maybe knocked off his bike as a kid by a couple of playful juvenile dogs. Personally I don't give a toss and he can take his attention seeking crap somewhere else. He should either man up and get on with life or seek professional help, rather than spouting his prejudicial **** on here.

Let's get one thing clear, irresponsible and negligent owners should be banned from keeping any dog for life or go straight to jail for a very long time. And dogs of any breed should be destroyed I they are aggressive towards people by nature.

I am not defending dangerous dogs. I am defending a breed which you should well know is much maligned.

ScoobyWon't

I think along with irresponsible and negligent owners being banned from keeping any dog, breeders should have more responsibility placed at their feet too.

How to do this, however, I am not totally convinced.

I am currently waiting to get a Newfoundland pup - much bigger than a Rottweiler - and I've spent a hell of a long time researching the breed and the breeders. I've fpund one breeder who produces gorgeous dogs and have enquired about having one of her pups from a future litter.

In order to get a pup, I have already made a journey to Coventry from Nottingham and back just to talk to people who know and own pups she has produced. I have also travelled to Wales and back, just to be able to see her dogs in the ring competing and I have another trip to north Wales to see the dogs at home, at which point the breeder will do all she can to put us off and at the same time decide if we are suitable to have one of the pups.

Even if we do get a pup, she is still responsible for it's welfare if anything should happen to us. If we have any training issues, she will help us to overcome them. If for some reason the dog cannot remain with us at any point in it's life, she is liable to take it back.

As an example, on of her previous pups, tried to tell off a passing person, as it was on it's own. The breeder, who was sat opposite, immediately jumped up and put the dog to the floor, telling it off and making sure it knows where it stands in the hierarchy. Not many people would do this if it wasn't there dog, but she is willing to do it as good behaviour not only reflects on the breed but also on the stock she breeds.

In terms of responsible breeding, the Kennel Club does have an accredited breeder scheme, with various criteria which that breeder has to meet. Trouble is, that not everyone is going to sign up to be an accredited breeder. People who have dogs with breeding restrictions cannot register the offspring with the KC, so I see no reason why these people would bother to meet any regulations put in place.

Again, if someone wants any breed of dog, just to make them look hard, it is very unlikely that they will be bothered about what kind of stock it comes from.

Should it be made compulsory that anyone with a dog should have a licence? Of course, that leads to questions on how that would be enforced.

DCI Gene Hunt

You really don't get it do you.....

Devildog

lol.

What don't I get here?

A little girl was subject to a horrible event, arising from the fact that two Rottweilers and an unidentified third dog attacked her.

Thatvis inexcusable, but it could have been any number of breeds or cross breeds involved.

Because it's Rottweilers the media is all over it like a rash. How many other children were killed, maimed or injured in that same period by some other means that didn't make the news?

If you'd bothered to read all of the studies undertaken you'd see that deed not breed is the current focus in sorting out the hastily introduced piece of legislation that is the dangerous dogs act.

But you feel free to call for the banning of a breed based upon selective media reporting and something that you claim happened to you.

Funny that I don't see you jumping all over the other threads about dangerous dogs?

If I "don't get it" after acknowledging that owners of rogue dogs should be jailed and the dogs destroyed, after making the point time and time again that proper control and ownership is essential for any dog and after extensively researching the breed and being involved with the breed as an owner of 3 dogs and spending a lot of time with hundreds of others over the past 15 years then no, I don't get why you want an entire breed, which would have to include the thousands of cross breeds, banned on the basis of what is statistically a minuscule number of events.

DCI Gene Hunt

Morning "Devil Dog"

Yep, could've been.... but it wasn't, as you then quote...

You then attempt to defend the breed by drawing a comparison against 'other breeds'....

Rottweilers are the second highest breed for the number of people related fatalities in the US, second only to pitbulls.

"a minuscule number" - so you find the number of attacks acceptable then? .... a few casualties so that you can continue to own an inappropriate animal.... I wonder if the parents of the children killed or maimed would agree with that view?

You're completely