Rottweilers Strike Again....
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I own a rottweiler and have two small children, aged 2 and 5. They absolutely love the dog and the dogs feelings are mutual.
I have also have a cat who shes gets on well with and they even cuddle up together of a night to sleep.
Before judging the whole breed, go onto google and check these links out:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7584063.stm
It easy to report bad things because it is human nature to want to read about them, but I just wish they would print good stories about the breed aswell.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/7584063.stm
It easy to report bad things because it is human nature to want to read about them, but I just wish they would print good stories about the breed aswell.
The pit bull attacked Tshepang Taeli as he was walking with his grandmother in Oakdene, south of Johannesburg. The dog was dragging the toddler down the road and would not let go, despite being kicked and beaten by residents.
One of the neighbours, Ricky Veludo, came to help and then went to fetch his dog, Blade. "He fought the other dog to free the child," he told a local paper.
"Blade is very protective," Mr Veludo told Die Beeld newspaper. The boy was then rushed to hospital where he is recovering from bites to his face, legs and stomach.
"I have never felt so much pain in my life. The dog was attacking him and I was trying to release him and I could not," the boy's grandmother told The Star newspaper.
One of the neighbours, Ricky Veludo, came to help and then went to fetch his dog, Blade. "He fought the other dog to free the child," he told a local paper.
"Blade is very protective," Mr Veludo told Die Beeld newspaper. The boy was then rushed to hospital where he is recovering from bites to his face, legs and stomach.
"I have never felt so much pain in my life. The dog was attacking him and I was trying to release him and I could not," the boy's grandmother told The Star newspaper.
More "I own a rottie and they're big floppy teddy-bears" rubbish from another naive dangerous dog owner.
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So we're back there again... it "couldn't be the breed" it would have to be specially training to savage a child....
You don't know that, you're projecting your feelings to an animal.
....pass the sick bucket
OK.... I have...
Do you think the dog (who's VERY protective - another way of saying aggressively territorial) was actually "saving the child" or attacking another dog in a territorial manner (which is what they're recognised for) my moneys on a fight for fights sake.... lucky that they both didn't turn on the child.
More "I own a rottie and they're big floppy teddy-bears" rubbish from another naive dangerous dog owner.
You don't know that, you're projecting your feelings to an animal.
....pass the sick bucket
OK.... I have...
Do you think the dog (who's VERY protective - another way of saying aggressively territorial) was actually "saving the child" or attacking another dog in a territorial manner (which is what they're recognised for) my moneys on a fight for fights sake.... lucky that they both didn't turn on the child.
More "I own a rottie and they're big floppy teddy-bears" rubbish from another naive dangerous dog owner.
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Nice, calling people names.... really mature fact is that they're a dangerous breed, and to be fair if you're representative of a typical owner / supporter it's no wonder there are problems...... now grow up.
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If you read that link you get the usual bollox from a doting dog owner.
Wee Fido was a loving pet with no outward signs of aggression bla bla bla...
Doting dog owner + Crap parent = dead child.
You're right - all dogs should be put down ASAP
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If people are of the opinion that Rotweillers are killer beasts then nothing that can be said here is going to make a jot of a difference - particularly when some of them are obviously out to troll.
One thing that's been mentioned a few times, but no-one has taken up, is the incidents of small dogs biting. I know they're not capable of producing the same sort of injuries of larger breeds, but surely they should be treated with the same contempt and outcome as attacks by larger dogs.
Just because a dog is small, it is inexcusable that they are allowed to bite people or attack other dogs. Owners of small dogs who bite other people, and who think it isn't serious just because the dog is small, need to be given a harsh lesson in reality. It's this kind of thinking, where bad behaviour is brushed off, that can lead to more serious problems if that kind of owner ever bought a larger breed. If they can't teach bite-inhibition and properly socialize a small dog, god-forbid what would happen when they get themselves a more head-strong and more powerful large dog.
Dog bites on strangers, no matter how small the dog, should be reported. If the dog does it again then the owner either keeps the dog muzzled in public, has it removed for re-training, or has it destroyed.
I've had dogs all my life and I never want to see them harmed, but dog bites and irresponsible owners need to be dealt with. Dogs bites or attacks on strangers are not acceptable and the owner should bear complete responsibility for what their dog does. Small dogs that persistently bite or attack people should be removed from their owners and attempts made to re-socialize if an experienced trainer thinks it is possible. If that doesn't help then the dog should be destroyed, and just because it's a cute little King Charles Spaniel or Westie should make no difference.
One thing that's been mentioned a few times, but no-one has taken up, is the incidents of small dogs biting. I know they're not capable of producing the same sort of injuries of larger breeds, but surely they should be treated with the same contempt and outcome as attacks by larger dogs.
Just because a dog is small, it is inexcusable that they are allowed to bite people or attack other dogs. Owners of small dogs who bite other people, and who think it isn't serious just because the dog is small, need to be given a harsh lesson in reality. It's this kind of thinking, where bad behaviour is brushed off, that can lead to more serious problems if that kind of owner ever bought a larger breed. If they can't teach bite-inhibition and properly socialize a small dog, god-forbid what would happen when they get themselves a more head-strong and more powerful large dog.
Dog bites on strangers, no matter how small the dog, should be reported. If the dog does it again then the owner either keeps the dog muzzled in public, has it removed for re-training, or has it destroyed.
I've had dogs all my life and I never want to see them harmed, but dog bites and irresponsible owners need to be dealt with. Dogs bites or attacks on strangers are not acceptable and the owner should bear complete responsibility for what their dog does. Small dogs that persistently bite or attack people should be removed from their owners and attempts made to re-socialize if an experienced trainer thinks it is possible. If that doesn't help then the dog should be destroyed, and just because it's a cute little King Charles Spaniel or Westie should make no difference.
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If people are of the opinion that Rotweillers are killer beasts then nothing that can be said here is going to make a jot of a difference - particularly when some of them are obviously out to troll.
One thing that's been mentioned a few times, but no-one has taken up, is the incidents of small dogs biting. I know they're not capable of producing the same sort of injuries of larger breeds, but surely they should be treated with the same contempt and outcome as attacks by larger dogs.
Just because a dog is small, it is inexcusable that they are allowed to bite people or attack other dogs. Owners of small dogs who bite other people, and who think it isn't serious just because the dog is small, need to be given a harsh lesson in reality. It's this kind of thinking, where bad behaviour is brushed off, that can lead to more serious problems if that kind of owner ever bought a larger breed. If they can't teach bite-inhibition and properly socialize a small dog, god-forbid what would happen when they get themselves a more head-strong and more powerful large dog.
Dog bites on strangers, no matter how small the dog, should be reported. If the dog does it again then the owner either keeps the dog muzzled in public, has it removed for re-training, or has it destroyed.
I've had dogs all my life and I never want to see them harmed, but dog bites and irresponsible owners need to be dealt with. Dogs bites or attacks on strangers are not acceptable and the owner should bear complete responsibility for what their dog does. Small dogs that persistently bite or attack people should be removed from their owners and attempts made to re-socialize if an experienced trainer thinks it is possible. If that doesn't help then the dog should be destroyed, and just because it's a cute little King Charles Spaniel or Westie should make no difference.
One thing that's been mentioned a few times, but no-one has taken up, is the incidents of small dogs biting. I know they're not capable of producing the same sort of injuries of larger breeds, but surely they should be treated with the same contempt and outcome as attacks by larger dogs.
Just because a dog is small, it is inexcusable that they are allowed to bite people or attack other dogs. Owners of small dogs who bite other people, and who think it isn't serious just because the dog is small, need to be given a harsh lesson in reality. It's this kind of thinking, where bad behaviour is brushed off, that can lead to more serious problems if that kind of owner ever bought a larger breed. If they can't teach bite-inhibition and properly socialize a small dog, god-forbid what would happen when they get themselves a more head-strong and more powerful large dog.
Dog bites on strangers, no matter how small the dog, should be reported. If the dog does it again then the owner either keeps the dog muzzled in public, has it removed for re-training, or has it destroyed.
I've had dogs all my life and I never want to see them harmed, but dog bites and irresponsible owners need to be dealt with. Dogs bites or attacks on strangers are not acceptable and the owner should bear complete responsibility for what their dog does. Small dogs that persistently bite or attack people should be removed from their owners and attempts made to re-socialize if an experienced trainer thinks it is possible. If that doesn't help then the dog should be destroyed, and just because it's a cute little King Charles Spaniel or Westie should make no difference.
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Answer me this, if it is the breed why isn't every Rottweiler attacking people?
Just to add you're the least mature person i've come across on here and are coming across as more of a tit every week
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So please tell me why every Rottweiler isn't attacking people?
Do you even know how many there are of the breed?
You made things personal by calling rottweiler owners naive, yet many many rottweilers go through their entire life without hurting anyone.
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Just like big cars - charge more for bigger / more challenging dogs - Tax the boneheads out of owning beasts they don't understand
I assume the only reason New Labia didn't re-introduce this is because most bonehead dog owners are Labour supporting chav-scum dole-ites !
ps Bonehead owners are like the moron in Dundee who's dog almost killed the child or anyone that leaves these animals alone with kids - Not the majority of responsible owners !
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Link to interview http://news.stv.tv/scotland/195576-m...or-law-change/
The mother of a young girl savaged by rottweilers in Dundee has made a heartfelt plea for the law to change.
Speaking to STV News, Lisa Grady, whose 10-year-old daughter Rhianna was mauled as she cycled to her grandmother's house in the city's Dryburgh Street, says people should not be allowed to own animals they can't control.
In her first television interview, Lisa says she'll be writing to the family of Toni Clannachan, who was also savaged by a dog in Kilmarnock this week.
Lisa described the moment she was told by her mother that Rhianna had been attacked.
She said: "When she told me, and I just put my hand over my mouth and I said 'Is it bad?' And my mum just said, 'Yeah, it's bad'."
Three powerful rottweillers had pounced on Rhianna, with surgeons at Ninewells Hospital later finding "chunks" had been bitten out of her arm and leg - and that the animals had gone for her throat.
Lisa added: "She said: "I was about 12 feet away from the bed and I walked over. And she was looking right at me, and I just saw blood all over her face. All over her neck.
"Her clothes were soaked in it. And I didn't even get as far as the bed before I burst into tears. And I actually crouched down on the floor and her dad came walking over and I said 'I can't...I can't...' because it's hard to see your daughter like that."
Lisa told STV News that she hopes a campaign can be launched to change the law on dangerous dogs.
Just days after Rhinna was attacked, Toni Clannachan, also just ten, was bitten in the face by an Akita Japanese Fighting Dog while playing in a friend's garden in Kilmarnock.
Lisa said she would be contacting Toni's family, and said: "Obviously , the more voices the better. Hopefully, something will change. They've got to. They've got to listen to people. They can't just keep ignoring it. I mean, how many other kids is this going to happen to before they take notice? It just can't go on".
Rhianna's grandmother Irene, who ran to the girl despite having a broken ankle, is credited with saving her life. Lisa hopes her mother's bravery will be recognised by all.
She said: "She is a hero. There's no doubt about it. If she hadn't done what she did it would have been much worse. We would have been organising a funeral."
Toys, cards and flowers have arrived at Rhianna's grandmothers from all over the world - even some without a proper address still got delivered.
Lisa says she is overwhelmed by the generosity of the public, and hopes many will back a campaign to bring dangerous dogs under control.
Speaking to STV News, Lisa Grady, whose 10-year-old daughter Rhianna was mauled as she cycled to her grandmother's house in the city's Dryburgh Street, says people should not be allowed to own animals they can't control.
In her first television interview, Lisa says she'll be writing to the family of Toni Clannachan, who was also savaged by a dog in Kilmarnock this week.
Lisa described the moment she was told by her mother that Rhianna had been attacked.
She said: "When she told me, and I just put my hand over my mouth and I said 'Is it bad?' And my mum just said, 'Yeah, it's bad'."
Three powerful rottweillers had pounced on Rhianna, with surgeons at Ninewells Hospital later finding "chunks" had been bitten out of her arm and leg - and that the animals had gone for her throat.
Lisa added: "She said: "I was about 12 feet away from the bed and I walked over. And she was looking right at me, and I just saw blood all over her face. All over her neck.
"Her clothes were soaked in it. And I didn't even get as far as the bed before I burst into tears. And I actually crouched down on the floor and her dad came walking over and I said 'I can't...I can't...' because it's hard to see your daughter like that."
Lisa told STV News that she hopes a campaign can be launched to change the law on dangerous dogs.
Just days after Rhinna was attacked, Toni Clannachan, also just ten, was bitten in the face by an Akita Japanese Fighting Dog while playing in a friend's garden in Kilmarnock.
Lisa said she would be contacting Toni's family, and said: "Obviously , the more voices the better. Hopefully, something will change. They've got to. They've got to listen to people. They can't just keep ignoring it. I mean, how many other kids is this going to happen to before they take notice? It just can't go on".
Rhianna's grandmother Irene, who ran to the girl despite having a broken ankle, is credited with saving her life. Lisa hopes her mother's bravery will be recognised by all.
She said: "She is a hero. There's no doubt about it. If she hadn't done what she did it would have been much worse. We would have been organising a funeral."
Toys, cards and flowers have arrived at Rhianna's grandmothers from all over the world - even some without a proper address still got delivered.
Lisa says she is overwhelmed by the generosity of the public, and hopes many will back a campaign to bring dangerous dogs under control.
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Link to interview http://news.stv.tv/scotland/195576-m...or-law-change/
Also you still haven't answered why all Rottweilers aren't attacking people? There has to be a reason hasn't there?
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Just taking the car analogy, posted earlier, a step further and agreeing that it is the owner and not the car that is at fault if something go **** up. But there will be rare occasions when the brakes fail or the steering goes.
Just like a dog. It might be badly spooked and react - pretty hard for the owner to prevent - or in an extreme case suffer a brain malfunction causing it to behave erratically, humans suffer strokes quite a bit.
So I would submit that there is always a danger present which is less, in potential injury terms, with a small dog for blindingly obvious reasons.
For these reasons I would never own a powerful breed if I had kids or frail old folk around.
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Just like a dog. It might be badly spooked and react - pretty hard for the owner to prevent - or in an extreme case suffer a brain malfunction causing it to behave erratically, humans suffer strokes quite a bit.
So I would submit that there is always a danger present which is less, in potential injury terms, with a small dog for blindingly obvious reasons.
For these reasons I would never own a powerful breed if I had kids or frail old folk around.
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I'm not saying that on the count of 3 ..... all Rottweilers all over the world will suddenly attack, what I'm saying is that the breed is dangerous and prone to kill and maim (with a recorded history of doing so) so why would you continue to allow them to be owned by people in the UK. The reason for me is that their instinct is always there in the background, day in day out.... all it needs is a trigger and BANG... they'll attack and even sometimes kill.
So we all know it's there, we all know it can trigger.... we can assume scenarios that'll likely assist in it triggering but equally we can't be 100% certain. So that's the dilemma, people "think" they know their dogs and that they wouldn't hurt a fly..... but they can't control instinct, combine that with the size and power of a rottweiler and you've a hand grenade waiting to go off.... which more often than not it does.
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Just taking the car analogy, posted earlier, a step further and agreeing that it is the owner and not the car that is at fault if something go **** up. But there will be rare occasions when the brakes fail or the steering goes.
Just like a dog. It might be badly spooked and react - pretty hard for the owner to prevent - or in an extreme case suffer a brain malfunction causing it to behave erratically, humans suffer strokes quite a bit.
So I would submit that there is always a danger present which is less, in potential injury terms, with a small dog for blindingly obvious reasons.
For these reasons I would never own a powerful breed if I had kids or frail old folk around.
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Just like a dog. It might be badly spooked and react - pretty hard for the owner to prevent - or in an extreme case suffer a brain malfunction causing it to behave erratically, humans suffer strokes quite a bit.
So I would submit that there is always a danger present which is less, in potential injury terms, with a small dog for blindingly obvious reasons.
For these reasons I would never own a powerful breed if I had kids or frail old folk around.
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You are correct in saying that there are rare occasions that things can go wrong but most of what we are reading about is dogs on the loose savaging people, dogs being left unattended with children etc etc etc.
I would have thought that preventing a car from killing or maiming someone would be alot more avoidable from carefull driving and thorough maintenance. I bet there are more deaths and maimings per year caused by Subaru drivers than there are Rottweilers.
The only reason you read about Rottys doing the damage is because its what most single tracked idiots want to read and therefore the press publish it.
Bad news sells because its not what you expect to happen and people like to say 'Oh my god, did you read about that bla bla bla'.
When was the last time you heard someone say 'Did you read that wonderfull front page spread in the sun the other day.'?
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You are correct in saying that there are rare occasions that things can go wrong but most of what we are reading about is dogs on the loose savaging people, dogs being left unattended with children etc etc etc.
I would have thought that preventing a car from killing or maiming someone would be alot more avoidable from carefull driving and thorough maintenance. I bet there are more deaths and maimings per year caused by Subaru drivers than there are Rottweilers.
The only reason you read about Rottys doing the damage is because its what most single tracked idiots want to read and therefore the press publish it.
Bad news sells because its not what you expect to happen and people like to say 'Oh my god, did you read about that bla bla bla'.
When was the last time you heard someone say 'Did you read that wonderfull front page spread in the sun the other day.'?
I would have thought that preventing a car from killing or maiming someone would be alot more avoidable from carefull driving and thorough maintenance. I bet there are more deaths and maimings per year caused by Subaru drivers than there are Rottweilers.
The only reason you read about Rottys doing the damage is because its what most single tracked idiots want to read and therefore the press publish it.
Bad news sells because its not what you expect to happen and people like to say 'Oh my god, did you read about that bla bla bla'.
When was the last time you heard someone say 'Did you read that wonderfull front page spread in the sun the other day.'?
You're the one who finds the slight risks acceptable with a 2 small children around. Fair enough, your decision. But I would not be prepared to take it. Over protective or common sense?
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i was telling a few friends about this thread today......
did anyone see the article in the daily mail last week where a border collie attacked a child ? probably not because it didnt make the headlines it was a few pages in, in a small article because it wasnt a rotweiler or a stafford !, these dogs do have really bad press and should be owned ONLY by responsable owners that much is true but people should remember that other breads can and do attach to.
did anyone see the article in the daily mail last week where a border collie attacked a child ? probably not because it didnt make the headlines it was a few pages in, in a small article because it wasnt a rotweiler or a stafford !, these dogs do have really bad press and should be owned ONLY by responsable owners that much is true but people should remember that other breads can and do attach to.
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Stereotyping I know but the people who want "hard" dogs tend to be at the low, thick end of society. Gang members who drive around in stolen cars, may carry weapons and deal in drugs. Do you really think they will bother to get a licence?
A first step might be to say that certain breeds need to be muzzled in public places (not sure what the law says at present but isn't it left up to the dog owner?). Even that wouldn't prevent the at home attacks though. Bit like humans wearing crash helmets on bikes, more or less universally accepted.
But I do know that if I had a phone call saying my kid had been bitten by a dog, I would rather learn that it was from a Spaniel and not a Pit Bull.
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A first step might be to say that certain breeds need to be muzzled in public places (not sure what the law says at present but isn't it left up to the dog owner?). Even that wouldn't prevent the at home attacks though. Bit like humans wearing crash helmets on bikes, more or less universally accepted.
But I do know that if I had a phone call saying my kid had been bitten by a dog, I would rather learn that it was from a Spaniel and not a Pit Bull.
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alot of people keep defending Rotties in this thread by saying "other breeds of dog are just as dangerous" but this thread isn't about other breeds of dog. Its a bit of a poor arguement as well, they can't be both dangerous like every other dog and not dangerous at all?
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The point is that they actually pose no more danger than other breeds of dog. The only reason you know about more Rottie attacks is because the press reports them. Everyone on here has ignored what I posted about my step daughter being badly attacked by a springer spaniel. At the hospital, the nurses were saying that they were one of the breeds who inflicted the most dog bites they saw - terriers being the worst. Rotties actually were the least.
My colleague has a little westie who bites all the time. She readily admits that he is far more dangerous than mine but doesn't even contemplate putting him to sleep because he's "small so can't really do that much damage".
You only know about Rottie attacks because they sell papers. Other breed attacks don't because the press don't want to shatter the nice doggy myth.
My colleague has a little westie who bites all the time. She readily admits that he is far more dangerous than mine but doesn't even contemplate putting him to sleep because he's "small so can't really do that much damage".
You only know about Rottie attacks because they sell papers. Other breed attacks don't because the press don't want to shatter the nice doggy myth.
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Can people not present evidence to prove the quite ridiculous claim that all Rottweilers are savage and attack/kill people?